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GameFAQs deleting "negative" PSP Reader Reviews
« on: April 16, 2005, 01:13:51 PM »
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People on GameFAQs have recently been noticing that PSP Reader Reviews with any hint of negativity in them have been getting deleted, and people have been speculating on a CNET/Sony GameFAQs-takeover conspiricy.

A guy named Chris Buzan decided to test things, and wrote this deliberately "good but negative" review of the PSP.

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Dubbed many things by the media, including a portable PS2 and the iPod of gaming, Sony set expectations very high. Did they deliver? Well that depends on how much you like Spider-Man 2 and Sony’s backlog of first part games I guess. No Ratchet and Clanks or God of War’s here, although a port of Gran Turismo 4 is on the way. No, instead they opted to go ahead with some of their older standbys such as Wipeout, Twisted Metal, and the 989 sports line (Which I‘ve never played personally, but I‘ve also never heard anything good about these games). While these games are still good, they hardly represent the best Sony has to offer in my eyes. If you’re already a diehard fan of these games though, then this is a definite must-have. Third parties once again make up the majority of noteworthy titles for a Sony system, with titles such as Ridge Racer and Metal Gear Acid, although I don’t have any interest in either. Personally, I bought my unit because of all the hype around Lumines, which I can attest to being a very good game, although lacking much “Meat”, as in value beyond trying to improve your high score and a small puzzle mode in which you build objects out of the blocks.

The screen is big and beautiful, but the system design is highly overrated and smudges at even the lightest touch. Unbelievably, I actually have a dead pixel on my screen. It’s in the upper-right corner and it doesn’t get in the way during gameplay, but when I was watching Spidey 2 it became pretty distracting. And correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t this thing basically look like a GBA? Anyway, video playback is rock solid, as I’m sure you’ve been told numerous times already (But yeah, right now SM2 is the only movie available). MP3 playback is good too, but this thing will hardly compete with the iPod. The storage medium is Sony’s expensive memory sticks which range between 32MB to 4GB (The upcoming Memory Stick PRO). Compare that to the 20GB and 40GB versions of iPod and you’ll see my point. One can store a few songs while the other can store an entire collection. Sure, PSP can do other things, but aside from gaming there are simply better stand-alone devices out there. Yes, it does many things, but it’s a jack of all trades, and master of none. There was one pleasant surprise though, and that was the battery life, which so far hasn’t been an issue at all for me.
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Launch Lineup- 6/10- It has it’s rudimentary “killer-app” (Although it‘s no Halo as in being a true must-have in my opinion) and a few other noteworthy titles, although I wouldn’t recommend any of them myself.

Future Lineup- 3/10- Pretty slim pickings for the rest of the year. Sony made the launch very top heavy, leaving very few interesting games to be launched later in 2005. When Hot Shots Golf is the bright spot on a release calendar, you know you have problems. GTA might turn my opinion around, but currently nothing is known about it.

Battery Life- ?/10- As mentioned earlier, it hasn’t been an issue.

MP3 Playback- 5/10- It gets the job done, but the memory sticks are an unattractive medium for me, and it doesn’t curb my desire for an iPod any.

Movie Playback- 8/10- Good quality (Aside from distracting dead pixels which appear on some units), but the selection of movies right now is lacking if I do say so myself. If you’re playing your own stuff then you’ll be A-OK though.

Aesthetics- 4/10- I’ll probably be lynched for this, but I really don’t like the way this thing looks. The screen is big, but I’d say that it might.

Value- 4/10- $250 for a handheld (Even with extras) and $40-$50 for games seems ridiculous to me. If you’re looking into buying a PSP, I strongly recommend holding out for a non-Value Pack option unless you have a lot of disposable income.

Overall- 5/10- It has some decent media functions, but the outlook on games is less than stellar. Coupled with a crippling price point and load times, and you have a somewhat disappointing system on your hands.


Note that this is actually the second version of this review. There were two that were deleted. The first version contained some comments like "You'd basically be paying 300 dollars to play a puzzle game" which were rejected by GameFAQs as being false (since the PSP is $250, not $300, even though Chris was including the price of Lumines), so he rewrote/deleted some things to make it more favorable to them, and it was still deleted.

This Video Game Ombudsman site was contacted by someone claiming to have been the one who deleted the review, who offered a bunch of nonsensical reasons for it's deletion. "The review contains blatantly false information, and is on the verge of being a joke review, obviously making it at a minimum a troll review." "Now, while the PSP is an Mp3 player, it isn't comparable to the iPod. Just like comparing the Ps2 or Xbox to a Toshiba or Panasonic DVD player is taboo, applying the same to the PSP via the iPod is forbidden in the same degree." "As a small side note, the mention of slim pickings for movies available is laughable at best. Did people blame the Ps2 when DVDs were a new breed of entertainment? No, they blame the movie studios and DVD release corporations."

Then CJayC, the founder/admin of GameFAQs, wrote in to the Video Game Ombudsman, saying that he doesn't know who that other person was (perhaps one of the people who complained about it), but they have no authority and aren't the ones who pulled the Reader Review, as only CJayC and one other guy can do that.

He explained that the reason it seems that negative PSP reviews keep getting deleted is because GameFAQs doesn't read every review, they just respond to complaints. And the PSP fanboy crowd on GameFAQs has been whining the loudest.

He said nothing about what merited this review's deletion (aside from the presence of complaints), but he did say that he deletes reviews like this that "bash" the PSP all the time, and that people are making too big of a deal about it.

 
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RE: GameFAQs deleting "negative" PSP Reader Reviews
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2005, 01:28:27 PM »
It's not really surprising to see this fizzle into a jumbled mess of lies and dishonesty...
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RE: GameFAQs deleting "negative" PSP Reader Reviews
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2005, 03:18:25 PM »
Although most of those crappy gushy or libelous reviews don't amount to a hill of beans, it is ponderous as to why only praise-lavishing reviews of the PSP are allowed on Gamefaqs.
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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2005, 03:34:44 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2005, 08:09:03 PM »
And this is the reason I hate GameFaqs, at least the whiny users...
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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2005, 08:23:12 PM »
In this last generation I've learned one very important thing: don't trust anybody.  With Paper Mario 2 getting a 6 from Game Informer, blatant bribing regarding Driv3r reviews, stories of companies threatening to pull free review copies if given a poor review, etc the amount of sites worth trusting is shrinking.  It's going to be like the pre-internet days where you took a risk with every game you bought.

Fortunately I can still trust PGC's reviews.

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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2005, 10:29:34 PM »
I could say a third party publisher never threatened me.

I could say it.  Or rather I wish I could say it.
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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2005, 11:25:50 PM »
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It's going to be like the pre-internet days where you took a risk with every game you bought.



Yeah, that's pretty much where I'm at right now. I lost all faith in reviewers with the Paper Mario 2 debacle. I rely more on what people say on forums, at this point. If it wasn't for all the raving DKJB got, I definitely would not have bought it. (7.0 from Gamespot. 7.0 THIS!... Er, I'm holding up my middle finger. I guess you can't see it... bah)

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I could say a third party publisher never threatened me.

I could say it. Or rather I wish I could say it.


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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2005, 05:39:18 PM »
To make this a true experiment, someone should make a similar negative review of the DS, and we will all get on gamefaqs and b!tch about it, better yet make one that is even more negative of the DS (one that actually has blatant lies in it, maybe say that the games cost $50) and see what happens.
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« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2005, 04:42:50 AM »
Deg, are you allowed to elaborate on whatever situation you are referring to?
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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2005, 04:57:27 AM »
I'm not sure.
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« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2005, 05:28:59 AM »
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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2005, 06:25:17 AM »
Game Informer will give a Mario Party game a poor review just because they hate the series, and they said exactly that.

And now Gamespot and the like are scoring down a GC port of a PS2/Xbox game just because it doesn't have the online features.  That is irresponsible as far as I am concerned, because it is giving a false impression of the game, online features can't give the PS2/Xbox that extra 1.5 to 2 points, it's bias for the most part, but don't complain or you will be called a whinning fanboy.  
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« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2005, 08:26:15 AM »
"And now Gamespot and the like are scoring down a GC port of a PS2/Xbox game just because it doesn't have the online features."

I don't have a problem with that.  There's a huge chunk of the PS2/Xbox version taken out.  That's worth reflecting in the reviews.  The Cube port is inferior and thus the review score should reflect that.  If you owned all three console wouldn't you want to know that one version was missing content?

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« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2005, 08:44:50 AM »
However, if the game was still awesome without it and the score doesn't reflect that to a person not interested in online gaming or only owning a GC (or, like me, being on a restrictive network that won't allow you to plug in consoles).

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« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2005, 11:00:23 AM »
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"And now Gamespot and the like are scoring down a GC port of a PS2/Xbox game just because it doesn't have the online features."

I don't have a problem with that.  There's a huge chunk of the PS2/Xbox version taken out.  That's worth reflecting in the reviews.  The Cube port is inferior and thus the review score should reflect that.  If you owned all three console wouldn't you want to know that one version was missing content?

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« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2005, 11:38:30 AM »
Regrets that this will just turn into another Bill vs. the world thread.... but...

Every game is essentially a pay to play game.  If you really want to break it down, do it on hours you actually played vs. how much you paid.  Here is a good example.  I am counting games that I feel were well worth playing to me, so don't argue quality of play time.

Eternal Darkness | 15 GREAT hours of play | 50 dollars | $3.33 / hour
Wind Waker | 20 GREAT hours of play | 50 dollars | $2.50 / hour
Pokemon Gold | 350 GREAT hours of play | 30 dollars | $0.09 / hour
Final Fantasy X | 55 GREAT hours of play | 50 dollars | $0.91 / hour
Final Fantasy XI | 600 GREAT hours of play | 40 dollars (game) + 30 dollars (expansion) + 13 dollars * 13months = 239 dollars | $0.39 / hour (and falling)

Complaining about pay to play games is stupid.  The only time it's a bad deal is when you don't like the game.

Those are some of my favorite games of all time (at least of the ones I can remember my play time on).  Each one was a worthwhile purchase.  Just look at the numbers.

(Please don't flame me for my game preferences....)  
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« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2005, 11:46:57 AM »
But still, is online play really that important? My friend has stopped bothering to try to play Timesplitters: Future Perfect on X-Box Live. What's so great about getting kicked from the server if you stand still for a second or have to stand up with 10-year-olds shouting into the headset?

I really think online play is kinda overrated most of the times.
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« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2005, 11:58:57 AM »
I wouldn't really argue with that.  And if a review reflects that the online experience in the PS2/X-Box version is lacking or 'no fun' I would hope they wouldn't mark down for the GCN lacking it _as much_.  Still, I mean, I hate to say it, but I agree with Ian here.  Reviews should look at features.  Even a mediocre version of a feature is better than not having that featuer at all.  There will always be people that still enjoy it.

Say for the sake of this argument, Super Smash Bros. Melee was released across all three platforms.  Only the Nintendo version had the trophy concept.  When looking at the bulk of the gameplay, trophies make no difference.  But who here would say that the non Nintendo versions deserved the same score?
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« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2005, 01:50:26 PM »
Whether or not they deserved it, Pale, they would receive it from reviewers like this.

And your pay/play idea is flawed, because you can in theory play for as long as you want to when you buy a game, so much so as to make the cost of the game per hour of gameplay negligible.
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« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2005, 02:07:43 PM »
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Regrets that this will just turn into another Bill vs. the world thread.... but...

Every game is essentially a pay to play game.  If you really want to break it down, do it on hours you actually played vs. how much you paid.  Here is a good example.  I am counting games that I feel were well worth playing to me, so don't argue quality of play time.

Eternal Darkness | 15 GREAT hours of play | 50 dollars | $3.33 / hour
Wind Waker | 20 GREAT hours of play | 50 dollars | $2.50 / hour
Pokemon Gold | 350 GREAT hours of play | 30 dollars | $0.09 / hour
Final Fantasy X | 55 GREAT hours of play | 50 dollars | $0.91 / hour
Final Fantasy XI | 600 GREAT hours of play | 40 dollars (game) + 30 dollars (expansion) + 13 dollars * 13months = 239 dollars | $0.39 / hour (and falling)

Complaining about pay to play games is stupid.  The only time it's a bad deal is when you don't like the game.

Those are some of my favorite games of all time (at least of the ones I can remember my play time on).  Each one was a worthwhile purchase.  Just look at the numbers.

(Please don't flame me for my game preferences....)


What if I went into Best Buy and snagged a game, let's say Time Splitters 2 for $10 as that's what it's there right now, and log more than 60 hours into it (which I have). The difference here is that prices are dynamic, they aren't static, and, unlike online play, one doesn't feel pressured to try and play the game as quickly as possible to get the "most for their buck" instead of doing it at their liesure.

In other words, in my eyes, if you pay to play, it isn't worth it unless it's a one time fee (why I refuse to buy World of Warcraft, but love Diablo 2 to tears).
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« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2005, 04:34:57 PM »
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« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2005, 06:56:43 PM »
It's not really flawed.  The concept is based on how long you ACTUALLY play a game.  All I'm saying is that, if you love a game, the pay to play thing can be worth it.  In the case of FFXI you get new updates at least once every 3 months, usually even more frequently.

As for your timesplitters example, yes, you would be getting a great deal.  Compare it to my Pokemon example.  I'm just saying that if you think a game like Eternal Darkness is worth the money (at launch) (WHICH IT WAS) then why isn't FF XI?  I mean, you could play ED over and over again, but the hours of play wouldn't necessarily be considered great the nth time through.
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« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2005, 11:41:56 PM »
Yes, but FFXI is diseased MMO Filth.  Any game is long as you are willing to play it, not what is printed on the back of the box.  In that respect, Wario Ware is longer than Knights of the Old Republic, because I was able to play Wario Ware without convusling into a seizure, unlike Knights of the old Republic, which featured all the joys of padded "game-length" by making you read lots of stuff, and also the great design of Baldur's Gate.

And you all forget that when a company kills online support for their games, that feature disappears, so dropping the score for the lack of a temporary feature that amounts to nothing more than multiplayer is a pointless endeavor.

Not ONLY do most Online games have some sort of playment plan, they also have an unknown expiration date.  When a MMO or Xbox Live-based game's service is terminated (and it WILL be terminated) that online feature disappears as if it never existed.  For MMOs and games sold on their online ability (like Mechassault, which is less than mediocre without it) this is truly devastating.  OR should I say... for fans of those games it is devastating.  The company got all it can out of it and then introduces the next game for you to buy and continually pay for, because you just have to have that invisibility cloak of regret +2.  And the cycle continues.  Fortunately for now online games remain of questionable profit compared to making regular old games that most of the population of the world can enjoy.  So although there is a drive, there is no real logic to make an online-centric game.  To make the sort of game that leaves no legacy behind it.
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« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2005, 11:56:54 PM »
hey  i heard it wsa activiison who had a porblem wtih your shrek 2 reivew an tired to blluly you

i also wonder y three is 2 reviews for it awn PGC
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