Author Topic: Got shafted again...and again (Read 15728 times)

Savior · « **Reply #25 on:** April 06, 2005, 06:40:50 PM »

Sure Capcom made Onimusha. they also made Powerstone (Which was good)

Anyways im interested in it. Funny that its on the PSP and Not the PS2.

Mario · « **Reply #26 on:** April 06, 2005, 06:53:09 PM »

Whoa, so it's not even on the PS2? PSP and GC huh... I can live with that! Thanks Capcom.

Nosferat2 · « **Reply #27 on:** April 06, 2005, 07:08:40 PM »

SgtshiversBen

I agree with you on the Lego Stars Wars thing, Its shady as hell that if it was on GC it would have been laughed at. That irritates me to death. Not that im into the Lego game cause i surely am not, but the principle just kills me.

you also got all rowled up for nothing. IGN made a mistake and its coming on the Cube and Psp not the PS2, if they arent mistaken again. Its best to wait for official announcements anyway. Your right that if the game sells best on a platform that the smart thiing to do is to bring it on that platform. Capcom, i think is a smart company, thats why the VJ game is going to be on the cube. As for the Psp i see (and agree with them) that they considered it the better handheld to put the game on. Smart move because it has the bigger widescreen and stronger hardware. But since Capcom is a smart company, dont be suprised or upset when it shows up on the PS2. The Ps2 market is just too lucrative to ignore.

Well hopefully you had a chance to read this thread before you go to sleep. I wouldnt want you losing any sleep because of some misimformation.

Peace Nosferatu

SgtShiversBen · « **Reply #28 on:** April 06, 2005, 08:00:50 PM »

Nosferat2, don't worry. I won't loose any sleep whatsoever. I'm not one who gets all crazy when something comes out for the PS2 and not GameCube. Doesn't really matter to me. I just thought it was kinda messed up.

But now that one of the three have been taken care of, what about the other two. Those still kinda irk me. It'd be like putting Photoediting software on the PSP. It would be sooo hard to use (if it only supported the nub) rather than the DS's touch screen.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #29 on:** April 06, 2005, 10:37:00 PM »

I wonder, did Capcom hire any Sega executives lately?

SgtShiversBen · « **Reply #30 on:** April 25, 2005, 03:56:13 PM »

Shafted YET AGAIN!!

Won't the world EVER freaking give us Nintendo owners a break? No I didn't think so.

OH AND ONE MORE TIME!!
ARGH!!

We all know that these types of games are perfect for the DS if MP: Hunters and TheOmen's predicitons about Goldeneye are any example. Stupid game developers and their greediness.

Robotor · « **Reply #31 on:** April 25, 2005, 04:48:21 PM »

When did the PSP become the safer platform? I thought developers were going to be a little less nice towards it because its new and not guarenteed. But no all of a sudden Nintendo is the lower userbased shafted system even in the market they own.

ROBOTOR SMASH!!!!!

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #32 on:** April 25, 2005, 05:02:31 PM »

Well the obvious reasoning that VJ: VFX battles wont be on the PS2 because compared to the gamecube sales the PS2 VJ1 and 2 did abysmal compared to the gamecube sales.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #33 on:** April 25, 2005, 05:59:58 PM »

Resident Evil 5 on the PS3? As much as I hate to say it that makes sense. For Capcom moving Resident Evil to the Cube was a mistake. Nintendo failed to attract a suitable sized adult audience to the Cube so the RE games didn't sell as well as they should have. Nintendo didn't hold up their end of the bargain.

It really sucks for us that third parties currently treat the Cube (and likely will treat the Revolution) so poorly. In some cases third parties are being idiotic or unreasonable. But Nintendo hasn't made any real effort to make the Cube worthwhile for third parties so, although we don't deserve it, Nintendo deserves the virtually non-existant third party support they now have.

odifiend · « **Reply #34 on:** April 25, 2005, 07:06:24 PM »

Ian: The reason moving RE was a mistake was on Capcom. Who was it that released ports of PSOne games with not an additional polygon for a ridiculous 40 USD after promising discount prices? Who then discontinued making RE2 and RE3 for Gamecube? And trust me pre-RE4 release the market was there, if you were checking eBay at all. To this day, those games are still overpriced and sought after on eBay. Capcom could have made some serious money during that period, THEY dropped the ball.
Then please don't forget how Capcom in a press conference killed any momentum RE4 (Cube) was picking up when they announced they'd be porting it to PS2. I'm with you that Nintendo has done some things to retard the growth of an adult audience but some of that was on Capcom, too.
And finally the RE5 to PS3 as of now is a rumour - not that I don't doubt that it will end up being true...

KDR_11k · « **Reply #35 on:** April 26, 2005, 08:52:03 AM »

Ian: I wonder why third party titles are sellingso poorly when we have people hearing about the greatness of GE DS and state they'd rather wait for MPHunters? Aren't Nintendo fans to blame for this because they'd rather buy a mediocre first party title than a great third party one? I guess there's nothing we can do, us buying games because they are good as opposed to because they are made by Nintendo or us not buying EA games won't make enough of an impact... Well, perhaps we can smack some sense into some forumers at least.

odifiend: Capcom demanded 40 bucks for the ports because Nintendo wanted to charge them licensing fees as if they were priced at 50.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #36 on:** April 26, 2005, 09:35:46 AM »

"Aren't Nintendo fans to blame for this because they'd rather buy a mediocre first party title than a great third party one?"

I don't think that's fair. The individual members of the userbase should be free to purchase whatever games they want. The Gamecube console is the only console I've ever owned where I've felt pressure to buy certain games in order to give the right message to third parties. It shouldn't be the userbase's responsibility to make sure that third parties games sell, it should be the console maker's responsibility to attract a large enough and broad enough userbase to support third parties. Nintendo fanatics who only buy first party titles shouldn't make up a large enough chunk of the userbase to have a major affect on third party sales. It's Nintendo's fault they weren't able to attract enough other "types" of users.

Plus it's Nintendo's fault that the really nutty fans won't buy third party games. Nintendo has "taught" their fans to like certain things and dislike other things. There are a lot of Nintendo fans for example that are very anti-online and the reason for that is because Nintendo has been very anti-online. Nintendo didn't want to make online Cube games so they did what they could to make sure their really overly-loyal fans weren't asking for them. This sort of attitude bites Nintendo in the ass too. Nintendo taught their fans to like a certain type of game and then when they tried something different with Eternal Darkness it bombed (same with Conker). Nintendo has spent so much effort trying to make sure their fans didn't ask for more mature titles that when they released mature titles a fair bit of the fanbase didn't buy them. Same with sports games which typically don't do that well on Nintendo systems. Right now they're teaching their fans to only like sequels and THAT is going to bite them in the ass.

So Nintendo only attracts hardcore Nintendo nuts as their userbase and then teaches their fans to reject anything that Nintendo themselves doesn't feel like doing or doesn't have any interest in. That's like a third party repelent. Instead of matching the competition or providing options Nintendo tries to attract a userbase of yes-men. That's why their third party support sucks and that's why some of us more independent thinking Nintendo fans are worried about their future.

And I'm not lumping all Nintendo fans into this group. I am talking solely about the types that don't buy third party games and agree with literally everything Nintendo says. Thankfully there aren't that many like that on these forums.

xts3 · « **Reply #37 on:** April 27, 2005, 06:59:40 AM »

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So Nintendo only attracts hardcore Nintendo nuts as their userbase and then teaches their fans to reject anything that Nintendo themselves doesn't feel like doing or doesn't have any interest in.

That is the most bloody stupid thing I have ever heard. The hardcore nintendo fans from the SNES era are the ones supporting the gamecube. They aren't the "nuts" they are the people who were hoping the gamecube was going to bring the golden age of gaming back to us, like they did in the NES and SNES era.

Look at the quality of games out there and tell me honestly, how many games are worth buying on the PS2? How many on xbox are really "must buys" out of all those games? They have good 3rd party support, but if your 3rd party support games are a rental cycle, just how are these companies going to stay afloat?

The problem is Nintendo is really out of touch with reality ever since the N64, the gamecube was a step in the right direction but it was too little, too late. Microsoft being the richest company in the world has enormous money power to make sure they are competitive, sony took the crown from Nintendo after the SNES era, during the PS1, Saturn and N64 era. That one mistake nintendo made by not going CD based cost them the home console industry. I bet someone got fired over that.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #38 on:** April 27, 2005, 09:10:26 AM »

Look at the quality of games out there and tell me honestly, how many games are worth playing on the PS2? How many on xbox are really "must buys" out of all those games? They have good 3rd party support, but if your 3rd party support games are a rental cycle, just how are these companies going to stay afloat?

Loads and loads are worth playing. GC fanboys sometimes claim the GC has the best games but quite frankly that's bullshit. All consoles have their great games though the XBox seems to focus on different kinds of games than the Gamecube (the PS2 has everything).

xts3 · « **Reply #39 on:** April 28, 2005, 07:13:12 AM »

Loads and loads are worth playing. GC fanboys sometimes claim the GC has the best games but quite frankly that's bullshit. All consoles have their great games though the XBox seems to focus on different kinds of games than the Gamecube (the PS2 has everything).

Well everyone knows why the PS2 rules because the PS1 vs N64 war was no contest, all the former SNES players picked up a PS1 for FF7 and all their favorites like Streetfighter, etc plus they got all the other developers. In one fell swoop Sony took all of Nintendos (former) 3rd party support away. All the SNES era 3rd party developers jumped ship to Sony. Like I said we'd be in a whole different universe if Nintendo 64 hadn't went with cartridges and totally ruined developer support. The gamecube proves once again that : It's the 3rd party support makes your system #1.

Mr. Segali · « **Reply #40 on:** April 28, 2005, 07:51:03 AM »

Look at the quality of games out there and tell me honestly, how many games are worth playing on the PS2?

Ha ha ha. I'm a Nintendo guy, (maybe even fanboy at some times), but seriously, how do you expect anyone to swallow that? If you don't see tons of games on the PS2 worth playing, then you must not be a big fan of videogames...

...sour grapes if you ask me...

xts3 · « **Reply #41 on:** April 28, 2005, 08:19:48 AM »

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Originally posted by: Mr. Segali
Look at the quality of games out there and tell me honestly, how many games are worth playing on the PS2?

Ha ha ha. I'm a Nintendo guy, (maybe even fanboy at some times), but seriously, how do you expect anyone to swallow that? If you don't see tons of games on the PS2 worth playing, then you must not be a big fan of videogames...

...sour grapes if you ask me...

That should have read "How many games are worth BUYING on the ps2?"

Rancid Planet · « **Reply #42 on:** April 28, 2005, 10:31:42 AM »

I bet that book gets REALLY interesting.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #43 on:** April 29, 2005, 03:55:00 AM »

xts3: If you want to imply we're pirating perhaps you should think again. Those games ARE worth buying though I'm currently only buying budget games (why buy at full price when there are hundreds of games in the budget range with many of them being great ones?)

Your comment about third party support makes no sense in this context. Yes, the PS2's games are made by third parties, does that mean they are worth less somehow? Games are games, there are great games not made by Nintendo (lots of them, even). During the last few years most of these have been released on the PS2. Yet you argue that the PS2 has nothing worth playing? That claim is ridiculous so I'll have to ask you to prove it. Prove that there are more games worth playing on the GC than on the PS2.

Going by GameRankings:
Games above 90/85/80% main average:
GC: 18/52/90
PS2: 30/111/>200 (GR lists only up to 200)

So you'll have to prove that 1. Game Rankings isn't a valid system to measure game quality and 2. the GC has more good games than the PS2. Good luck, you're going to need it.

SgtShiversBen · « **Reply #44 on:** April 30, 2005, 08:40:07 PM »

You know you want to touch me..

This is kinda good news since it talks about next gen Nintendo, although it still is that we're getting shafted in that it's not coming for the GameCube considereing that it probably could handle this bad mofo with a little degredation (they're going to do that to RE3 for PS2 and you know it).

Ian Sane · « **Reply #45 on:** April 30, 2005, 08:49:37 PM »

"it still is that we're getting shafted in that it's not coming for the GameCube considereing that it probably could handle this bad mofo with a little degredation"

The PS2 isn't getting it either so we're not really getting shafted. A guy from a developer that we actually want support from specifically mentioned Nintendo by name in regards to the next generation. That is nothing but good news. One of my biggest concerns is that the apathy shown towards the Cube by third parties will carry over to the Rev. At least we know that Valve doesn't feel that way so there's hope for other third party support as well.

SgtShiversBen · « **Reply #46 on:** April 30, 2005, 08:53:45 PM »

I thought I remember reading that Valve really wanted to work on the next Nintendo console when it came out. I guess he was keeping true to his word.

Stimutacs Addict · « **Reply #47 on:** May 02, 2005, 03:23:18 PM »

and why not? if a developer can make an all-star game on nintendo system, it can sell like hotcakes, especially if it's something groundbreaking or just a standout game of its genre.

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Author Topic: Got shafted again...and again (Read 15728 times)