Topic: Mario Kart comfirmed! or comfirmed?

[Don'tHate742]

I have reasons to beleive that Mario Kart Online has sneakily been announced, although no official announcement has been made.

Here are two links, one with a scan, one without. If you have EGM, check it out....

Link 1 --- Scan (scroll down a bit)

Link 2 --- No scan    

[Bill Aurion]

Yes, Mario Kart DS was confirmed at E3 2004...

(I'm sure you meant "confirmed to be online," correct?)

[Don'tHate742]

hahahahahahahahahahahhaha wow....that is sooooooooooooo edited!

[Ian Sane]

Does EGM know something we don't or are they just assuming that Mario Kart DS will be online?  Nintendo's recent online annoucement was annoyingly vague with them always using the term "Wi-Fi" instead of online.  I really hope Mario Kart DS is online and logically it SHOULD be but I need to hear it from Nintendo themselves.  Fortunately E3 is next month.

[PaLaDiN]

I really, really don't think it's going to be online.

How do you deal with lag for this kind of game?

[Artimus]

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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
I really, really don't think it's going to be online.

How do you deal with lag for this kind of game?

The same as you do for any other game? A shooter? A real time strategy? Racing games are online right now.

There won't be any sort of low-band problem because routers don't work with dialup anyway...

Not putting Mario Kart online would be a huge mistake, words cannot even describe it. I know I wouldn't be buying it. I don't need another version of the game that I have to play by myself. Two is enough. Online and I'll be first in line at the store.

[dack25]

I agree that not putting Mario Kart online would be a huge mistake. AC is a good game to start online play on the DS but the game dosen't appeal to as many people as Mario Kart does.

[thepoga]

And why does it say June 2005 for the release?

[Bloodworth]

I think both instances are assumptions based on GDC, not new info.

[PaLaDiN]

"The same as you do for any other game? A shooter? A real time strategy? Racing games are online right now."

So let me get this straight. You're expecting Nintendo to build enough servers in the likely infinitesimal amount of time between their online launch and the release of Mario Kart to be able to not only cope with the demand but run a preponderance of lag-free games.

If you're going to tell me you'd rather want them to delay it, save your breath. I'll take Mario Kart DS early over online any day. Plus, there's enough people complaining about the dearth of games already.

[darknight06]

"You're expecting Nintendo to build enough servers in the likely infinitesimal amount of time between their online launch and the release of Mario Kart to be able to not only cope with the demand but run a preponderance of lag-free games."

More like Gamespy ain't it?

[Artimus]

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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
"The same as you do for any other game? A shooter? A real time strategy? Racing games are online right now."

So let me get this straight. You're expecting Nintendo to build enough servers in the likely infinitesimal amount of time between their online launch and the release of Mario Kart to be able to not only cope with the demand but run a preponderance of lag-free games.

If you're going to tell me you'd rather want them to delay it, save your breath. I'll take Mario Kart DS early over online any day. Plus, there's enough people complaining about the dearth of games already.

You are the single most selfish gamer I have ever met. EVERYTHING with you is "Who gives  acrap what the other ten million Nintendo fans say! I AM RIGHT." Always! It's absolutely insane. Mario Kart DS offline would be identical to every other Mario Kart. You want to play it? Fine. Go grab a cheap copy of it for GBA, N64, SNES or Gamecube. ALL THE SAME GAME.

The world is NOT about you. Get it? There is not a single good reason to not put Mario Kart online other than you being selfish and wanting it NOW NOW NOW. Now Mommy Now! I WANT IT NOW! Fine, Veruca, fine. But there are other people who own these systems too and Mario Kart DS online would be the sole reason we by the game. Why? Not all our friends have a DS so we can't play multiplayer otherwise. Get it?

Mario Kart offline would be a mistake. Tough.

[PaLaDiN]

"More like Gamespy ain't it?"

Oh, right, I hadn't thought of that. Hmmm.

"You are the single most selfish gamer I have ever met. EVERYTHING with you is "Who gives acrap what the other ten million Nintendo fans say! I AM RIGHT." Always! It's absolutely insane. Mario Kart DS offline would be identical to every other Mario Kart. You want to play it? Fine. Go grab a cheap copy of it for GBA, N64, SNES or Gamecube. ALL THE SAME GAME."

Hi pot, I'm kettle. Pleased to meet you.

How about you show me where "the other ten million Nintendo fans" say that they want online, instead of parading your opinion around like everybody else shares it. I probably speak for more people than you do. There's more to Nintendo fans than what you see online. Including online in a game is pandering to a minority, as far as I know.

Since the minority has been vocally outspoken in wanting MKDS online, I figured I'd step in and provide the other point of view, speak for what I think is the silent majority... putting it in might delay the game, and I don't want that.

And no matter what your viewpoint, I'm sure you agree with me that a delay of MKDS at this point in the game, where owners are questioning why there aren't many games... would be very, very bad.

I don't even have a DS yet. I'll buy one when MKDS comes out... online or not. And the reason for that is the same reason what you call "the same game" is consistently a good seller across systems... because it's a consistently good game. How presumptuous of you, by the way, to imply that it's only a different game when what you want to be in it is included. I'm sure there's a lot more people who want this game on their DS than people who only want it on their DS if it's online.

So how about you stop being a hypocrite. Little Veruca Salt wants her online whether the rest of the world gets their MKDS late or not? Tough luck, send her down the garbage chute. And then do a little song and dance afterwards.

The world isn't about you either. Message boards are a place to pretend that it is. You think your opinion is important? It isn't, and neither is mine. So don't call me out on it when you're doing the same thing yourself, mmmkay?

[Artimus]

You don't have a DS and yet you're acting like you speak for DS owners? Saying you don't want a delay and you don't even own the system? A three month delay won't kill the DS. No online would kill the DS. But that's too hard a concept isn't it? The idea that Nintendo isn't perfect is something only people who hate Nintendo (like the staff of PGC and IGN) would say.

MK late? Who said late? There isn't even a date as far as I know. What if someone had said "Goldeneye doesn't need multiplayer, that'll just delay it another few months! Scrap that." Or would that be ok for you too? The point is that I'm not syaing you shouldn't get MK, or that there shouldn't be a feature you really want. I'm saying that having online will sell games, and not having it will sell less. I want Nintendo to be successful so that their systems thrive. You want it now, screw the future.

[PaLaDiN]

"A three month delay won't kill the DS. No online would kill the DS. But that's too hard a concept isn't it?"

Oh, wow. Suddenly the DS's online hinges upon MK being online, and the DS's dearth of games is suddenly okay.

"The idea that Nintendo isn't perfect is something only people who hate Nintendo (like the staff of PGC and IGN) would say."

Did you somehow miss the various insinuations I've made that right now, there aren't enough games on the DS? You're implying there are. Who's not considering that Nintendo isn't perfect? Or do you only agree with negative opinions on Nintendo as long as they support your so far baseless opinion of online being crucial?

"I'm saying that having online will sell games, and not having it will sell less. I want Nintendo to be successful so that their systems thrive. You want it now, screw the future."

No, no. Here's the full implication of what you're saying: "Nintendo shouldn't bring Mario Kart to DS as early as possible if it means sacrificing online. Never mind the people who need more good games on their DS right now. I want online, screw them." I'm saying "Nintendo is facing a very serious perception that there aren't enough games and therefore Mario Kart DS should be released as early as possible while maintaining its quality, online or no online. If online will make it later, scrap online." My argument is that at this point in the DS's lifespan, MK early without online is better than late with online. Early with online would of course be best, but that doesn't seem very realistic.

You're saying the exact same thing I'm saying, only for the other side. So let's drop the pretentiousness here and just recognize that we have different opinions of what's important for the DS right now.

[ThePerm]

they made the system to be online and they sold it on the idea of being online...so it better be.

[Artimus]

You're saying that MK is the only game that can save the system. There is no indication that it is coming out anytime in the near future.

If you want to sell the DS then yes, you need more games. But crappy games that don't match up to either the promise made by Nintendo or the competition will do just as much damage as no games. If not more. Nintendo has several key games coming out. I want Mario Kart, yes I want it soon. But were not talking a year or two here, we're talking a matter of months. Months that make the difference between a killer ap and another rehash of the same game.

[PaLaDiN]

So we agree on the fact that Nintendo needs Mario Kart and soon.

Where we disagree is your opinion that online is "the difference between a killer app and another rehash of the same game." I'm sorry, I don't believe that crap. Online does nothing for me, whereas you seem to worship it as the be-all and end-all. We're both guilty of wanting Nintendo to follow our opinion.

[IceCold]

Ineresting that you mention Veruca Salt - there's a Charlie and the Chocolate Factory remake coming soon isn't there?

Anyway, we all have our opinions, and I don't think that Paladin is being selfish at all - he just has a different view of what Nintendo should do than you.

[Artimus]

Difference is my view doesn't limit the experience for other people. Why do I want online? Because none of my friends have DS. Sorry, but single player Mario Kart is hardly a unique experience after you've beaten the SNES, N64, GBA and GCN versions. If I can't play it multiplayer, then why bother?

[PaLaDiN]

Your view does limit the experience for other people who need Mario Kart ASAP. I'm sorry if you can't conceive of a reason to play Mario Kart without online, but I can, and so can a lot of other people. Stop assuming they don't exist for the sake of this stupid argument. Let it rest.

[darknight06]

Well, last time the game was shown it did look pretty far along already, so if they still have the time I don't see any reason not to, especially since they now have a FREE online setup for it.   Besides, in a way it would also justify it's existence as well.  We already have a handheld Mario Kart and unless they plan to do some DS exclusive gameplay features for it, it's not going to be much more than just a 3D Mario Kart on the go.  

[IceCold]

You're right - the last time I saw it was at that Paris Gamers Conference or something like that. It had improved quite a bit, but I didn't see anything that unique for the DS (the bottom screen was a map). If they could do something special with the touchscreen, it would be great. One idea that I have is that, there is an item, most probably a shell, that is very rare, and when you get it you can hit anyone with it. Then, choose the person you want to hit on the touchscreen and there you go. Mario Kart DS is just begging for touchscreen innovations like that, and I hope they happen.

[Mario]

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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
So we agree on the fact that Nintendo needs Mario Kart and soon.

Where we disagree is your opinion that online is "the difference between a killer app and another rehash of the same game." I'm sorry, I don't believe that crap. Online does nothing for me, whereas you seem to worship it as the be-all and end-all. We're both guilty of wanting Nintendo to follow our opinion.

So uh, wouldn't making it online make BOTH of you happy? As opposed to it not being online and only YOU are happy? Do you get it now? Adding an online option to a game would only make it better. You're acting as if if Nintendo made it an online game it'd be ONLY playable online. Give it a rest. Having the extra option to play a videogame online adds to it's value and for a LOT of people, would make it more fun.  

[PaLaDiN]

I don't doubt Nintendo must have at least some DS-exclusive features in mind... the GDC play was a bit unsettling, but I'm sure they'll do something new that isn't online. The touch-shell sounds like a good idea, except that you would have to take your attention off the top screen for a bit to tap the player you want to hit. I don't really need them to take advantage of the DS's exclusive features, I just want them to make a good, fresh Mario Kart game.

"So uh, wouldn't making it online make BOTH of you happy? As opposed to it not being online and only YOU are happy? Do you get it now? Adding an online option to a game would only make it better."

If you're going to try and take potshots at my argument, make sure you understand it first. I'm not saying offline is better than online. I'm saying offline and early is better than online. So no, making it online wouldn't make both of us happy if adding online meant it would take longer to come out, which is most likely the case. We're all being equally selfish, it's just I'm not deluding myself that Nintendo going through with my opinion would make everybody happy.