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Getting a PSP?
« on: March 20, 2005, 04:36:07 PM »
As anyone who knows me will testify to, I'm an equal opportunity gamer.  I have all three current consoles, had a GBA SP but traded it in for a DS (since I never play link-cable games), but I didn't get the DS until last month.  It's OK so far, and it'll be interesting to see what sort of innovation it drives.

I was pretty well set on avoiding the PSP at launch.  I didn't see what it could offer me, and the price was far too much.  Then I talked to a good friend of mine (who travels a great deal) who said that he uses his TiVo (with TiVo-to-Go) to record the shows he never gets to watch, transfers them to his computer, converts them to MP4 files, and watches his favorite TV shows on the plane.

I really can't see people buying movies on UMD, especially since the PSP is the only device you could play the movies on, and that the spindle in the PSP would suck the batteries dry.  Being able to buy a regular DVD, rip it and transfer it to a Memory Stick would alleviate those problems.  The only drawback there is that Memory Sticks are still fairly expensive.

Anyway, the idea of being able to take a couple movies onto a plane without having to manhandle my mammoth laptop (with failing batteries) was fairly appealing, so I went ahead and preordered one.  Not sure how it's going to turn out, but I bet that the PSP will still fetch a decent price on the aftermarket if I decide I don't like it.

In terms of opportunities, I think Sony missed the boat on a couple of points.  I think flash memory would have been a better option for games as opposed to the UMD format, because the spindle is the single most battery-draining part of the unit.  (To think that rumors suggest Sony might add a hard drive to the unit ... another spindle!)  I also think Sony should have planned to release the Value Pack over here, since most enthusiasts will probably use their own headphones and get larger memory sticks, making the pack-ins fairly worthless.  I also think that including a USB cable, and potentially using that same cable to charge the device would have been smart, again given the early-adopter set that will pick up the device at launch.

That said, it's got a lot going for it.  The initial run of games are receiving fairly high scores, the device is visually quite impressive, and it has a very high lustability factor.  However, I think part of Sony's business model focuses on the UMD movies, and I really can't see people buying movies that way.  I'll watch Spiderman 2, because it's free, but I have that movie on DVD already.  I think that Sony is in for a rude awakening unless they can move the UMD format to other devices.  I can't see a home-player being viable, because it's going to highlight the low-resolution of the video.  I hear that some albums are going to be coming in UMD format, but again, why bother when you can buy a CD, rip it, and play the audio on nearly any device?

All the drawbacks aside ... I'm getting one.  I've got some trips coming up, one that you'll hear about soon enough, and being able to watch some video on the plane, as well as playing games holds some allure.  I'll post some impressions when I get mine, and there's a large chance that it might be before the launch.
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RE: Getting a PSP?
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2005, 04:45:32 PM »
1) I don't care about multimedia capability
2) I don't care for the battery life
3) I don't care for graphics

and most importantly...

4) I don't care for the current lineup...Sports games and racing games, YUCK...The PSP has a long road to travel if it wants me to buy it...
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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2005, 04:48:31 PM »
Rick, you might want to check out this review before buying a PSP for all the extra functions.  http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/washpost/20050319/tc_washpost/a48974_2005mar19

I'm not sure you can watch videos on the mini Memory Stick.
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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2005, 05:17:37 PM »
"I'm not sure you can watch videos on the mini Memory Stick. "

Yes, you can.  There are people doing it today (as I already talked about) and one of them is someone we both know.    That said, I'd find it perfectly believable that the people at the Post simply didn't realize that in additiona to music and games, movies (in the correct MP4 format) could be transferred as well.  I've already downloaded the tools to do it, so when I get my PSP, I should be able to dump a test video to a Memory Stick and see if it works right.

The trick for me is that I already have an iPod, so I don't see myself listening to music on the PSP.  Photos and Video, on the otherhand, would probably be damned impressive if I wanted to show them to others.  One friend of mine in the game industry told me that the first time he saw a PSP, a developer showed it to him with some gameplay demos on it.  At first, he thought the demos were playable, but it was just video.  Still, he said, it was impressive because holding the PSP in your hand, you got a feel for how the game might play, even if it was just an illusion.

As for the games available, while I couldn't care less about sports games, I'm a big racing game fan, and the only game I have pre-ordered is Ridge Racer, but I might change my mind and get Wipeout just for the music in the game.    I briefly considered NFSU: Rivals, but I already have NFSU2 on my computer.
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RE:Getting a PSP?
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2005, 05:20:32 PM »
I grilled teh Billy over at Gameinformer's forums about the PSP. Here's what I (and Billy-boy) said:

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   Any word if they'll have bigger memory sticks available at Launch? If so how much?

   Also, average price of games? I'm hearing 40 USD and up...

   Is there the ability to turn off the wireless mode, e.g if you're on a plane and want to put in a session?

   What are the load times like?

   Is the screen prone to glare, or does the backlight curb this?

   Speaking of backlight, is it adjustable or no?

   I know its a lot of questions but for $250+tax, it better be a surreal experience...

Billy:
Okay, well I'm not going to repeat all the millions of PSP things you can read about on our site.  Which I even linked above to the search part - which has everything there.

But, a few things you brought up.  Wireless can be turned off.  Load times are long.  PS long.  No backlight adjust that I've found.  Mem sticks will be around 60 for 512, and 120 for a gig.  Keep an eye on our site for more stuff.  But read all the articles we wrote.  You'll learn a ton.

Which launch title?  Lumines.

BTW...played Twisted Metal wirelessly online tonight against Reiner.  Looks like they're testing the network now.  Plays really well.  We'll have more coming soon.......


Despite the hardware flaws,  its got where it counts, mainly the games.  Lumines looks to be the shizzle, and Wipe-out Pure and Ridge Racer scream "Buy me!"

However, I'm probably going to wait for a price drop or until I can get my mits on before I buy. Its odd that there are no demo units anywhere; I'm not going to plunk down 250+ if I can't at least get a physical sample. The only upside I can see about these high prices, is that they can only get lower....

Question: Will turning off wireless save on battery life? If so, will be significant?
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RE:Getting a PSP?
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2005, 06:19:11 PM »
You can get Pro Duo 512MB cards for $50-60.  Think that's about 60minutes of video at the lowest MPEG4 sampling rate but I could be wrong.  

Not planning on getting one or DS anytime soon--when I do travel I'm either driving or trying to get away from it all :0.  

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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2005, 06:36:24 PM »
I just got an iPod a couple of weeks ago. So im not going to use the PSP for Music since getting a bigger Memory stick would be real expensive. Other than Metal Gear none of the games interest me much. ( i like Metal gear lots) Plus i have a DS (I Just wish there were other games out there) So i think ill wait on the PSP for a bit... I doubt it will have a price drop anytime soon but i can wait 6 months to a year on the PSP...

I am slightly interested in it though. I might change my mind once i borrow a friends PSP and test it for myself
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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2005, 06:49:47 PM »
You could probably get more video on it than just 60 minutes.  Remember, you can lower the resolution since the PSP can't display that much.  Optimizing your encoding, you could probably squeeze quite a bit on a 512MB card.  I've only got a 128MB card right now, but I'm thinking about getting a bigger one.

As for games, there is one game coming that really has me intrigued: Mercury.  Especially if someone releases a Tilt Sensor, as is supposedly the plan.
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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2005, 08:14:09 PM »
Actually I did figure in the screensize.  According to most--you'll get around 4 minutes to 25MBs of space--that's one of the lowest setting too--34MBs for mid range and high quality is basically out of the question.  

Someone else wrote he took an DIVX  650MB movie and it filled his 512MB stick at that low sampling rate so that's about one DVD 120min of video compressed into one 512MB stick but not sure what FPS he used--sounded like he used 15FPS which is kinda slow and chunky if you ask me.


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« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2005, 01:38:36 AM »
I mean I would, but $300 is a lot of money.  And just the IDEAS of CD-style loading and memory cards on a handheld are just terrifying to me.
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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2005, 06:15:54 AM »
My reasons are exactly the same as Bill's, the PSP right now just doesn't appeal to me, price doesn't concern me, I just don't want to repeat what happened with my Xbox, got it and have three games, and it all collects dust.
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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2005, 06:31:25 AM »
PS1 level loadtimes?!? You'd figure with a smaller disc load times would go down, not up... That's completely unacceptable for a system that's meant for a quick game on the go (tell me what you want but any handheld has to be designed for that).

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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2005, 07:07:53 AM »
I'm not getting a PSP - too expensive and I simply don't have time for yet another handheld - but I must say I'm impressed with the launch lineup.  Yes, it's mostly sports and racing, but on the other hand it's quality sports and racing - it doesn't matter if we don't like it, lots of other people do.  As far as I'm concerned, the PSP launch line-up blows DS' out of the water and even matches or beats the current 4-month-old DS lineup.  That's kind of sad.  If the PSP weren't so expensive, I'd really want one right now.
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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2005, 07:22:46 AM »
The PSP is too expensive at the moment, plus the whole UMD thing has me all meh about the multimedia capabilities, I already have an Ipod so I don't need music, as for movies on a memory stick, still too expensive at around $40 for a memory stick.

I'm going to pass on the PSP for a while, and if the Play-yan arrives in the US I may skip it all together

As for the games, meh, few appeal to me.

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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2005, 07:43:39 AM »
I don't travel much so I don't really use portables as portables.  I bought a GBA because it had some exclusive games for it that I wanted.  Since I bought a Gameboy Player I basically never use my GBA anymore except for playing Four Swords Adventures.

So when looking at a portable some issues aren't that big of a deal to me.  Battery life doesn't really concern me provided I can just plug the thing into the wall.  However I also don't care about extra features.  I have a DVD player, a CD player, and a PC.  If I would just use the PSP for home use those extra features would be useless.  All they would do is add to the cost which is pretty high.

Price is important to me.  Portable games are not as advanced as console games.  Plus third parties put considerably less effort into portable games and multiplayer is expensive and impractical for home use.  So since I get less than I do from a console I want to play less for the system and the games.  Why should I pay the same price for a portable version of a game that has inferior graphics and less features?

Durability is important because obviously I don't want the thing to break.

The most important thing is the games.  Since I use portables as home systems ports don't interest me.  I never bought a GBA re-release because I already had a SNES.  I didn't buy a DS for Super Mario 64 DS because I have an N64.  And I wouldn't buy scaled down PS2 games for the PSP.  Exclusives are what's important to me for portables.

Personally I'm not impressed enough by the PSP launch lineup to buy one, and I wouldn't even if the price was the same as the DS, but I am still more impressed with it than the DS.  The PSP lineup, despite being months behind the DS, has more variety and more options.  There's enough PSP games that almost everyone could find something they liked.  The DS doesn't have that variety.  It's got crappy EA junk, quirky gimmick games, and little else.  You have to have specific tastes to find a decent DS game.

If I was given the option of a free DS or PSP I would lean towards the PSP just because right now it looks more like Sony is focusing more on my needs.  Nintendo seems to be focusing on non-gamers with the DS while Sony clearly is targeting established gamers (though they're targeting gadget freaks as well).  The only DS game that's really grabbed my interest so far is Castlevania and it's third party.  If I'm going to buy a system because of third party titles I'm going to pick Sony over Nintendo any day for obvious reasons.  I buy Nintendo system primarily for Nintendo games so they've got to deliver.

Right now though overall I'm pretty disappointed in both systems and I'm content not owning either of them or planning to own either of them in the near future.

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« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2005, 11:43:32 AM »
I have to say that I'm currently pretty disappointed in the DS as well.  I've been primarily using it to play Zelda: Minish Cap, Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories, and Metroid: Zero Mission ... all GBA titles.  The only DS game I own (besides the Metroid Prime: Hunters demo) is Super Mario 64 DS, and even that I'll likely trade in towards my PSP.  The initial run of software for the DS just isn't compelling enough.  Clever isn't going to get it done, we need a game that quite clearly uses the touchscreen in such an amazing way that people will be dying to show it to their friends, and I'm just not seeing it yet.

As for the PSP, the software, while fairly standard, are all fairly high quality, and getting good ratings from just about everyone.  The PSP also has more features coming, by virtue of the user-upgradeable firmware and announced accessories.  There are some similar features rumored for the DS, but no actual announcements.  Right now, I'd say the PSP has a lot more buzz going for it than the DS, which unfortunately, as been Nintendo's problem for the last several years.  For a company that has always proclaimed that it's all about the games, Nintendo is having a hard time getting games out in time to convince people that a handheld/console is worthwhile.
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« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2005, 12:03:46 PM »
I have to disagree on that note, games like Another Code, Meteos, Animal Crossing, Pac Pix, Mario Kart and Advance wars are IMO more than enough reason to buy the DS, I'm just waiting for them to reach the US.

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« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2005, 12:32:17 PM »
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are IMO more than enough reason to buy the DS


Are those games out?

Thats the problem. Sure theres tons of great games coming out.... in september-december 2005... Far Far too late.  
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« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2005, 12:54:19 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2005, 01:33:14 PM »
I expect that we're going to see an official announcement of Nintendo's Play-Yan in the US any time now ...
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« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2005, 01:55:38 PM »
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The only DS game I own (besides the Metroid Prime: Hunters demo) is Super Mario 64.[/Q}

Wario Ware and Touch and Go are awesome, and they're already out.  Wait less than a month for a US Polarium launch, and Meteos and Band Bros  are already out in Japan, and are easy imports [importing them would cost you the same as a PSP game though...are you willing to spend that? ].  Those are five games that you could have right now that might make your DS purchase just a little better  

Personally I wouldn't buy the PSP as a multimedia device simply because there are better alternatives out there.  Of course, you know that, and the PSP appeals to you because it's got a decent selection of games too...but remember, each of those is going to set you back another $40-50.  Even if the games DID appeal to me, at that price it wouldn't be worth it.  
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« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2005, 02:33:56 PM »
"Wario Ware and Touch and Go are awesome ..."

That's not what I'm hearing.  Wario Ware is being called "uninspired" compared to the first game and is generally considered to be inferior to the forthcoming Wario Ware: Twisted, which is already out in Japan.  Yoshi's Touch & Go is incredibly simplistic and fun, but again, is not going to get anyone's attention as being something special.  The general public can not be expected to resort to importing games to buffer a weak US lineup, so I don't consider that an option.  What does it say about a handheld when the highest rated game is an updated port of a last-gen LAUNCH title?  Several PSP games are being rated higher than Mario DS, and they aren't anything special, just very well-done games.  For a machine that is supposed to inspire people to innovate, it's falling a bit flat.

I'm as big a Nintendo fan as anyone, and I'm sure that there are some great games coming down the pipe.  I have high hopes for Animal Crossing and Mario Kart, but I'm not even sure that wireless play is the answer anymore.  Perhaps when the DS launched, it could have been seen as special, because the PSP wasn't available yet, but now, it's going to be expected.  That means that the touchscreen has got to be the key, and it's being critically underutilized.  It's clear that Nintendo launched it early to beat the PSP, and that strategy has largely worked, but now that the PSP is about to launch, Nintendo still doesn't have that "Wow!" game that will make people choose the DS over the PSP.
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RE: Getting a PSP?
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2005, 02:56:04 PM »
That Game is Metroid Prime Hunters

I just wish Nintendo would finish the frigging thing
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« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2005, 03:28:14 PM »
I really love Wario Ware Touched, and one of the main reasons it's "uninspired" is because we've already had one Wario Ware game already.  No matter what you do it's not going to be as fresh.  Not even Twisted  Touch and Go may not grab just "anyone's" attention, but I'm not just anyone, eh?  It certainly caught my attention, and I'm loving it.  Those two games rate just as high as SM64DS on MY scale because they're in different genres (they'd rate higher, but it'd feel like I'd be disrespecting one of the greatest games of all time )

And I don't care what the general public thinks (I'm importing Jam with the Band and it should arrive sometime this week SO THERE).  You and me....we're not the general public.  None of us are.  The 'general public' is merely a statistic.  The general public likes rap- oh noes time to throw out all my jazz because the general public doens't settle for it, so neither should I

Oh, and lustworthyness should never be a factor in deciding which system to purchase.

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« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2005, 03:32:44 PM »
"That's not what I'm hearing. Wario Ware is being called "uninspired" compared to the first game and is generally considered to be inferior to the forthcoming Wario Ware: Twisted, which is already out in Japan."

Well you heard wrong, sorry...Wario Ware Touched is absolutely fantastic...

As for me, I have 3 titles I want this next month...Meteos, Polarium, and Pac Pix...Each of those looks genuinely fun to play...

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