Topic: No Third parties?

[Talon]

I think we need to keep it in perspective.
Who is Iwata's audience?
I believe its more a japanese audience than the rest of the world.  

Im going to go out on a limb here and say, while american video game developers seem to be churning out more visually appealing games using the old tried and true formulas, the japanese game developers are more interested in new ways of playing games. With the current slump in the japanese market I think no longer do they (the japanese) want to keep playing rehash after rehash of the same old formula in alot of games today. This is where Nintendo comes in with all new ways of playing video games ala Revolution designed to give the japanese market a kickstart and reinvigorate it.

With this in mind I think Iwata is really only telling half the story which is more foccused around the japanese market, therefore alot of his comments may seem quite daunting to the rest of the world.  I really dont think Nintendo would alienate themselves that much and have no third party support what so ever.  I believe that the Revolution will initially appeal more to Japanese Developers and they will all be trying to jump on board, whereas the US developers will be harder to win over initially and its going to take alot of hard work on Nintendo's behalf to turn them.

Finally it seems that everytime Iwata does say something he always compares the revolution to the DS.  Now the DS can still play the more traditional styles of games as well as add extra functionality and new ways of interacting with games if the developer chooses to.  I think this is the mentality that we should have with the Revolution. 3rd parties can develop all the traditional style gameplay games as they want with upgraded graphics as well have the option if they choose to , to add new ways of interacting and playing their current franchises.

BRING ON E3!!!

[mantidor]

and stupid Matt does it again! way to twist Iwata's words, he's simply stating what we all knew, "if rev isnt appealing there wont be third party support" duh, thats obvious. did you people even read the article?

"If the next generation platforms are going to create even more gorgeous looking games using further enhanced functionality, and if that next-gen market can still expand the games industry, I'm afraid that third-parties may not support Nintendo"

that honeslty is tha same as saying "if rev isnt appealing there wont be third party support" which is obvious to anyone with a brain, now the choice of words of the translator made idiot Matt (sorry but Im sick of that guy) put things like doom and gloom to Nintendo, as he always do. He isnt really "afraid" they way the want to portrait it, he isnt expecting the Revolution to lack third party support, he just said what everyone already knew, how Revo is risky, nothing more. he's not thinking Revo will fail.

And whats people's rection? Savior's first post says it all:

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1.less third party support

which Iwata cleary didnt say, because if you read the whole quote there's a big IF.

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2.more third party support because the Nintendo Revolution wont have great looking games?

O_o! thats stretching Iwata's words way too much!

the most important thing he said imo was this

"Already publishers are not hesitant in disclosing their concerns over next generation gaming platforms, and development costs are rising. Publishers are afraid... of whether [next-gen] consoles can appeal to people who are not the avid game fans of today."

which is really interesting, hes saying that if next gen consoles dont expand the market developers will be worried. I didnt know that Nintendo wasnt alone in his way of thinking, unless Iwata is lying, but I know he wont do that.

/end rant

uuff, that made me feel better, Ive never been so pissed about an internet article.

[ThePerm]

you also have to realise the whole tranlastion thing.....

[joeposh]

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Originally posted by: Noble~Feather
Lots of devs working on Revo software, from what I see, really seem to be amazed. Remember Jon Romero's (God I butchered that name) comments? He's not the only one saying things like that.

Also, if the DS is any indication, Devs will flood there way to Revo.

Wait... developers are flooding to the DS? Really? *looks at the handful of games released in the past 4 months* could have fooled me.

Honestly this is the kind of crap that really pisses me off. I'm all for Nintendo doing something new and innovative but only if it truely enhances the gaming experience. I think the DS is a cool little piece of hardware but it's hard to make truely fufilling, deep gaming experiences for it. Both Yoshi's Touch and Go or Kirby's Magic Paintbrush, which are supposed to show off what you can do with the DS, seem gimmicky to me. I don't want the Revolution to produce similar results.

Plus who are these "new demographics" they're hoping to draw in? Kids, teens and men between 20-50 seem to be as into video games as ever, so what is Nintendo gunning for? The coveted nursing home demograpic? Sorry for all the sarcasm and negativity but I honestly feel like the Nintendo PR machine, outside of Reggie, is doing everything they can to keep me from antcipating this system. Looking at that IGN poll it seems alot of other Nintendo fans feel the same way. Screw expansion... worry about erosion.

[Avinash_Tyagi]

First off the DS is really popular with many people who usually don't play video games.

as for the games there are well over a hundred games currently under production for the DS.

And finally before you judge the DS lineup why not wait for games like Another Code, Meteos, Jam with the band and others to come out in the states.

[KDR_11k]

joeposh: Because the release of the SDKs and the final product were so close together with the DS development isn't very far along. The PSP has an advantage here because it doesn't need new games, you can just modify an existing one (unless it has dual analog control, then you're screwed).

[kennyb27]

Mantidor, at least for me, the reason everyone is making such a big deal about the interview is the question why he would  even mention something like that.  I mean, like Rick said, Nintendo has no history of talking before E3.  So why in the world would you even bring up the possibilty that you won't have many third parties with the next console.  It effectively alienated some of the possible consumers already.

[Galford]

Wow, I'm amazed that most of the these threads in "Fast Forward" boil down to hardcore gaming vs mainstream gaming.  Step back and look at this very thread, mainstream vs hardcore gaming seams to be the overall agrument about Nintendo this generation.

[couchmonkey]

Iwata: The guy is not a PR person, he's more focused on the Japanese than American market and he's always being mistranslated or interpreted.  Take everything anyone says about or "quotes" from Iwata with a grain of salt.

DS: The DS has had a rocky start, but it's too early to judge it.  N64, PS2, XBox and GameCube all had the same problem (although I'll admit the N64 was the only console where the problem was as pronounced as it is with the DS).  Seriously, though, in the next few months things are going to be looking way up.

Revolution: The system is going to be a risk, but that's what makes Nintendo interesting.  I will not pay $500 for a system that plays exactly like the GameCube with better graphics.  Revolution could be too weird or lacking in sufficient depth to be worth purchasing, but on the other hand, a system that's just a straightforward upgrade definitely won't be worth purchasing to me...not until some price drops occur, at least.

Third Parties: I do hope Nintendo does everything in its power to attract third parties, I think strong and varied third party support is one of the key elements to success in the industry.

[Ian Sane]

"So why in the world would you even bring up the possibilty that you won't have many third parties with the next console. It effectively alienated some of the possible consumers already."

Perhaps it's to cushion the blow of low Rev third party support at E3.  Of course that doesn't make things better.  It doesn't matter if you prepare me first I still consider it completely unacceptable.  Personally if their were third party problems I would keep quiet and hope no one noticed.

"I will not pay $500 for a system that plays exactly like the GameCube with better graphics."

Neither would I.  But then I wouldn't pay $500 for some wacky power glove console either.  In fact I wouldn't pay $500 for ANY console.  You're kind of lumping an instant "no-buy" situation to that statement with the price.  I could say "I would glady pay $100 for a Gamecube with better graphics."  That's an unrealistic price but it makes the purchase sound really good.

I find it funny that a fair bit of people here are saying that they're not interested in just a hardware upgrade.  BS.  If Nintendo showed off a more powerful fairly traditional console at E3 priced like the Cube was with an amazing new Zelda or Mario or Metroid game at launch you would buy it.  You would buy it and you would LOVE it and you would defend the Rev against any criticism, fair or unfair.  Anyone who was willing to buy a DS for a Mario game they had already played to death 8 years ago would buy a "Super Gamecube" Revolution.

Few would not buy a traditional Revolution just because it was traditional but many possibly would not buy an innovative Revolution because it was too different.

[Don'tHate742]

I for one would buy the Revolution, even if all it was was a beefed up Cube. Really, only becuase I like Zelda and Mario. But the fact is, I wouldn't just buy a Nintendo console. Later, once I had the money, I wouldn't use it to buy Revolution games (unless really appealing, ie Metriod), no, I would use it to buy another console and then the games I like for it. My thought process would be the exact same as it was when the Cube came out. "It's got SSBM! Awesome, but what else.....Xbox gots Halo! Awesome, but what else.....PS2 gots" and so on. If Nintendo really has something revolutionary, and makes me not want anything from the other consoles, then I would buy it AND spend my money on it soley. To do that it would have to prove the following things to me-- A: This revolutionary aspect makes gaming alot more fun, making previous types seem dull B: The other Comany's have games that are inferior (gameplay wise) becuase of it. When I say dull, I mean using the D-pad for things the analog stick could be used for, I am not talking about going from 2-D to 3-D. I love 2-D, and in no way are they duller than 3-D games.

Also, I have yet to buy a DS because it doesn't look worth the purchase right now.

[KDR_11k]

I have to second Ian on the subject of 500USD consoles and the mainstream is with me there. I already found 200 to be much for a console without games or even memory cards. 500 is on the far side of funny.

Personally I'll wait and see, none of those consoles is worth anything without games.

[mjbd]

As prevously stated, if the Revolution is like the DS, in which it can play traditional styled game but at the same times offers gameplay elements not possible on other consoles; then I think nintendo has the right idea.  I do feel sometimes that NOA's quotes are much more positive, but that could be because of bad interpretations.  Such a long wait for E3.

[Galford]

Well, here's the problem.  Third party support is almost more important these days
then first party.  

First party is important, but if companys like EA, Capcom, Konami, and Square-Enix don't make you their primary platform, you're screwed.  Look at the games that decided the last
two generations.

PSX - FF7(2nd/3rd party)
PS2 -GTA 3 (3rd party)

Third parties tend to make games that mainstream gamers play.
Mainstream gamers now make up most of the people who play games.
Nintendo has yet to embrace that fact.

[pitbull]

N will have 3rd party support for Rev, trust me on that! They will always have support for there systems. I'm glad that Reg is with NOA because our market place is the most important. Microsoft is probably gonna sink like Sega did with Dreamcast, people will buy the BS-box because it will be new, then N will show up right alongside Sony with better marketing than the past(and smarter I might ad) then the BS-box will fade away, just like the DC did.

You now Capcom will support it along with Sega,Act,Ubi,Kon,Mid,Squ-Eni,EA and all N's talent with Ret and the Jap developers will be there too. So N will be fine. 80-90% of games are  crap anyways but people like a selection and bragging rights even if there only gonna buy the AAA titles.

[couchmonkey]

Hmm, okay it's been a while, but I still want to qualify a few of my statements because my ego is too frail to leave my last post undefended :

First, on $500, I was being general, and I was talking Canadian dollars.  The Xbox launched at $450 here, so $500 is not that unlikely.  I definitely don't expect the new consoles to cost $500 US, though.

Second, I really mean it!  If Revolution was just GameCube part 2 and it retailed for around $300 Canadian, I would wait for a price drop (or two!) before buying it.  I'm not saying I'd never buy it, because of course I want to play new Nintendo games, but I'm not that interested in a pure graphical upgrade.  On the other hand, if Revolution is at least as interesting and unique as DS, then I will definitely buy one at launch (yes, even if the launch lineup sucks as badly as the DS lineup did).

Last, I'm glad Nintendo announced that the new system will be GameCube backwards-compatible, because with that, the third parties can probably port all the traditional games they want to it, and I don't think we need to worry too much about third party support.

[KDR_11k]

Use CDN if you're referring to canadian dollars. AUD for australian dollars. This forum is explicitely US-focussed so using $ without any qualifiers will mean USD.