Author Topic: No Third parties? (Read 11490 times)

Savior · « **on:** March 04, 2005, 02:10:32 PM »

yeah on ign cube they have some iwata comments on how there might be either 1.less third party support or 2.more third party support because the Nintendo Revolution wont have great looking games?

admitedly im hoping its some sort of translation error

Don'tHate742 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 04, 2005, 02:32:34 PM »

umm...my heart skipped a beat when I read it on N-sider........god why does Iwata suck at delivering news...WHERE"S REGGIE!

Noble~Feather · « **Reply #2 on:** March 04, 2005, 02:43:04 PM »

Lots of devs working on Revo software, from what I see, really seem to be amazed. Remember Jon Romero's (God I butchered that name) comments? He's not the only one saying things like that.

Also, if the DS is any indication, Devs will flood there way to Revo.

Remember Iwata's consistant comparing of DS and Revo. DS has touch screen, 2 screens, mic, ect... but it can still play games as such, say, Devil May Cry. Only this time, it can play it with the addition (note that word) of touch screen, 2 screens, mic, ect.

It's kind of funny, actually, the Revo is like the DS in many ways (only I can almost assure you it won't be labled a "gimmick", "Virtual Boy 2", ect.). When people first heard of DS, EVERYONE was freaking out! Even though they had never seen the DS. That seems to be the case with Revo (only not so extreme).

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #3 on:** March 04, 2005, 02:47:22 PM »

Everyone really needs to realize that Iwata is a very humble man, which makes him such a great guy and which also makes him liable to be criticized...He's not going to say, "HEY WHAT OUR SYSTEM ROCKS SONY FAILS LAWL"...It's just like the DS...Anyone recall what he said about *it*? He said that Ninty would be happy if only a very small percentage of gamers enjoyed it, yet looking back on it, the comment was an incredible understatement...What I took from Iwata was that the Revolution NEEDS to impress, not that it won't impress, 3rd parties...THAT is the clincher...

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #4 on:** March 04, 2005, 02:59:04 PM »

There are devs working on Revo software?

Isn't it a bit early?

Caillan · « **Reply #5 on:** March 04, 2005, 03:01:03 PM »

There's a difference between being humble and being bad at delivering information. Iwata seems to be both. There's no need to lie the same way Sony has about the PS3, but I've not heard a single quote form this guy that has reassured me about the Revolution.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #6 on:** March 04, 2005, 03:07:53 PM »

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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
There are devs working on Revo software?

Isn't it a bit early?

Camelot has just started work on a next-gen RPG...And considering they are buddy-buds with Ninty, you could say it's most like a Rev game...

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #7 on:** March 04, 2005, 03:15:23 PM »

"There's a difference between being humble and being bad at delivering information. Iwata seems to be both. There's no need to lie the same way Sony has about the PS3, but I've not heard a single quote form this guy that has reassured me about the Revolution."

Are you kidding? I love this guy's quotes. Always about how graphics won't matter next gen. That makes the gameplay whore in me feel all warm inside.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #8 on:** March 04, 2005, 03:17:57 PM »

And just so everyone doesn't overanalyze what Iwata means by that, I think it's wise to assume that the graphics of all three consoles will be very, very similar, if not identical...THAT is what Iwata means by "graphics won't matter"...

Ian Sane · « **Reply #9 on:** March 04, 2005, 03:19:10 PM »

Where is this? I don't see where this is on IGN.

In general I find that Iwata comes across as NUTS in interviews. When he talks it sounds like Nintendo has NO CLUE IN HELL how to do ANYTHING. Due to much stress I think I'll just ignore when he says anything. If Nintendo is thinking as retarded as Iwata implies it's not like we can do anything about it anyway.

Reggie is cool. He always makes it sound like Nintendo is THE gaming company and that everything is under control. He might be full of crap for all we know but it's still makes you feel pretty good you know.

Don'tHate742 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 04, 2005, 03:23:55 PM »

I just want a wide range of graphics. From the very realistic to the very abstract. Personally I like them both, and if they are possible on the REV that's perfect with me.

Savior · « **Reply #11 on:** March 04, 2005, 03:24:54 PM »

"If the next generation platforms are going to create even more gorgeous looking games using further enhanced functionality, and if that next-gen market can still expand the games industry, then I'm afraid that third-parties may not support Nintendo," he said.

http://cube.ign.com/articles/593/593733p1.html

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #12 on:** March 04, 2005, 03:32:48 PM »

Where is this? I don't see where this is on IGN.

Nintendo Minute #6

And you need to be more open-minded and actually think about what Iwata says...I have found everything he says as very humble and realistic...

Don'tHate742 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 04, 2005, 03:46:55 PM »

Wow....I can see both of those prerequisites coming true. So that's a big "NO" in Nintendo's book?

He mentioned that if the console is appealing enough than it may attract more thrid parties than usual, but if not appealing, then there will be no third part support. It's a maybe win / definitely lose situation. It all depends on the unvieling of the console at E3. He could be using the downplay tactic. Saying that the console might actually not be that good at all, then at E3 it would be easier to go above and beyond people's expectations. I think that is just denial though.....

I feel, in a way, a bit frightened but also excited. I love gambles, but not so much with my favorite company. In actuality this could be the end of my favorite console/game developer. While Nintendo being a third party game company wouldn't be so bad....I just can't imagine it. After being on top so long, how could they fall so quick so sudden? I can't wait to see E3!

Savior · « **Reply #14 on:** March 04, 2005, 04:00:59 PM »

Exactly . Im exited, and im worried ugg...

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #15 on:** March 04, 2005, 04:05:38 PM »

And I'm not worried in the least... ^_^

RickPowers · « **Reply #16 on:** March 04, 2005, 04:16:35 PM »

What I'm increasingly concerned about is the timing of the interview and comments with MCV. Normally, Nintendo is very silent before E3, but Nintendo is growing increasingly talkative. Either they're worried about the reception Revolution will receive, and is "priming the pump", so to speak, or this is going to be so outside-of-the-box, that they feel the need to keep people's interest perked.

Still, I don't understand the logic of coming right out and saying that they may lose all third-party support. I think that this strategy of "growing the market" is the single biggest risk that Nintendo has ever taken, and why they're doing it with both the DS and with Revolution, I just can't fathom.

Savior · « **Reply #17 on:** March 04, 2005, 04:22:48 PM »

I do... its Iwata. We need to bring old man Yamauchi back!

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #18 on:** March 04, 2005, 04:34:23 PM »

In Mr. Iwata's recent interview about Revolution in a European publication, he says the risk of innovating is that some developers and publishers will instantly understand and engage, and others may not respond as quickly. As partners who are important to Nintendo, we'll continue to work closely with third parties because we recognize their importance to our business and to our fans.~Perrin Kaplan

Ian Sane · « **Reply #19 on:** March 04, 2005, 05:19:23 PM »

Okay now I can see it. It just wasn't showing up for me before.

I interpret it as the Revolution being unique enough from the competition that third parties won't support it if they view the PS3's and Xbox's "better graphics only" design as being superior. However if they view the Revolution design as superior then it will attract a lot of third party support. Nintendo has been saying a lot that better graphics and better hardware isn't enough. So what he's saying here is that if they're correct in that assumption then the Revolution will really attract third parties but if they're wrong then they're screwed. I'd say that's logical. It's scary if you think Nintendo is wrong in their assumption but if you share their opinion then this can be seen as good news.

It's risky as hell though. So much so that I'd say it goes beyond calculated and more into the category of sheer luck. I agree with Rick in that it's very odd that Nintendo decided that taking this huge gamble was worth it in BOTH game markets. Nintendo is not leaving things open for potential failure here. If they're wrong then they risk not only killing off their console presence for good but ruining their lucrative portable domination as well. Nintendo must REALLY think the industry is on the wrong path to be doing something like this.

No matter what Iwata is going to be a very major figure in gaming history. He'll either be known as the guy who killed Nintendo or the guy that led Nintendo into completely changing the industry.

Caillan · « **Reply #20 on:** March 04, 2005, 05:39:17 PM »

I understand what Iwata is trying to say here, and I mostly agree with him. What I don't like is how he expresses it. At first it sounds like he's saying that the Revolution will not match its competitors in graphical capabilities. He doesn't mean that but that's what it sounds like. If you look at the poll on the page Savior linked to, you can see that most people felt discouraged by those comments. If you are reading a Nintendo site then you are a fan and should be hyped up about the next console no matter what.

"Nintendo must REALLY think the industry is on the wrong path to be doing something like this."

Well, in a Nintendo Minute thingie Kaplin said: "We don't feel the market is broken -- just limited. Nintendo's goal is to increase the total number of game players in addition to serving current players." Funny how a NOA rep always has to clear things up. Anyway, this would imply that Nintendo is needlessly taking a big risk. At least IGN will be happy.

Iwata has a key-note next week at the GDC.

Savior · « **Reply #21 on:** March 04, 2005, 06:01:37 PM »

NOA and Nintendo of Japan is it NOJ? seem to be on such different wavelenghts at times its striking.

Artimus · « **Reply #22 on:** March 04, 2005, 06:08:20 PM »

NCL would be Nintendo of Japan (Nintenco Company Ltd.)

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #23 on:** March 04, 2005, 06:10:55 PM »

It's NCL, and no they aren't on "different wavelengths"...NOA is merely echoing NCL...

Of course you can say the Revolution is a big risk, but what if noone took that risk? It'd just be a big repeat of this current gen...People that don't like gaming this gen won't like gaming next-gen, and that's what Ninty is focusing on...They wish to appease the hardcore fanbase and attract new gamers as well, and it's that extra reach that is needed in the gaming industry...For me it's nothing to worry about...If there's anyone who can expand the market, it's Nintendo, and if they fail then we'll see just how limited the market is...

Famicom · « **Reply #24 on:** March 04, 2005, 06:48:17 PM »

It seems pretty odd to just come out and say "we may potentially scare away third parties". Despite the reassuring follow-up, it seems to me that such a statement wouldn't have to have been made if one or more companies didn't already run away (SK perhaps?). When it comes to launches Ninty rarely lies, they just disguise the truths in multi-layered quotes. This could be one of those....

...or not.

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Author Topic: No Third parties? (Read 11490 times)