Topic: What gamers want in the next Nintendo system

[couchmonkey]

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[IceCold]

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I've noticed right around the time the Wii became super popular, there has been a flood of negative comments about Nintendo on this board. While some good points were made, many of you are picking at the smallest of things. It's as if you are grasping at straws trying your best to find something negative to say about Nintendo. Some of the comments I just don't understand; "Nintendo is just playing catch up to their competition?" I think you have that backwards (PS3 controller is a good example).

As couch mentioned, you got taken in by Perm's "let me bump a random thread" ploy - This thread was made in March.

[Hocotate]

Oh dagnabit! >< I should start paying more attention to the dates on posts. Sorry fellas.

[Arbok]

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Originally posted by: Hocotate
All the while Wii is getting a steady flow of hype, I think Nintendo is in a very good position.

That hype is only online though, and as we have seen time and time again that really doesn't amount to jack in terms of overall sales.

The general consensus is still very much "should I get a PS3 or a Xbox 360?" among most people. From what I have been hearing, like on radio shows and other media fractions, the Wii isn't even being considered in most peoples minds yet. To that point, one is really going to have to wait until the advertising campaigns kick in before any real idea can be gathered as to the Wii in the mind of the "common" consumer.

[Ceric]

That reminds me, today I was at a mall that had an EB Games and a Gamestop.  The EB had a 6ft. tall Wii poster which was bright and had a picture of the Wii and the little Wiimote pictures that are on the site with it rumbling and like.  It had some words on it but I didn't really read it because I knew the information.  They also had a dark poster board sized PS3 poster on the bottom of the counter.  It talked about its "innovations." Taken out because it would spark a holy war

Then I stopped by Gamestop and their was nothing.  No indication that any new system was coming this year.

Same company.  Go figure.

[Kairon]

I refuse to acknowledge any Wii marketting campaign without Oprah.

We got Ellen, now it's time to seal the deal.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[Hocotate]

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Originally posted by: Arbok

That hype is only online though, and as we have seen time and time again that really doesn't amount to jack in terms of overall sales.

I disagree with you saying the internet hype doesn't amount to jack, it's a big plus imo. The DS seemed to only be popular online at first too, and we see how well it's doing now. Also, from what I've seen the Wii is getting just as much (if not more) hype then MS and Sony outside of the internet.

[ThePerm]

first of all here is what I want

Higher Capacity disks- I want higher capacity disks because I don't want developers passing on the next system or doing lazy rush ports on the system because it has smaller disks. Nintendo improved this from finally switching from cartridges to optical, but it still had some of the same problems even though the situation was alot better. I HATE looking at artifacted as hell fmvs. There is no reason why Nintendo's system should be held back. Make it proprietary, but all means don't limit developers more on a Nintendo's system than a competitors.

Backwards Compatability- It sounds hypocritial to ask for Higher capacity disks and ask for backward compataility at the same time, but its worked. It worked for ps2, the gameboy line, and now its working for ds. It just works. Find some way to do it. Make the newer higher capacity disks the same physical size...do whatever...just don't slack. There WILL be people who will see that there were a bunch of games that they missed on the cube and will pick up revolution with a few new and a few old.

A built in ethernet port. So the system will have one damn thing that isn't automatically proprietary. Big deal. Having this little port on the system will guarantee that you don't have to spend the money to try to deal with a split market for people who want internet games and those who don't. In fact third party developers will see itas a sign that you are also moving forward just as your competitors are. This has worked well for xbox...and with the next generation im sure whatever happened on the xbox will be a more established thing on the next system

A fucking Pokémon game thats crazy. Thats right back to the online thing. I want to beable to get online. Meet trainers and woop their ass with my Charizard. Build a big freaking world and don't just send the game off to a little developer and expect us to think that just because its pokémon that it will be good.

3rd party support. ****...get Metal Gear. Pay them the **** off. I don't care what you do but if you could get Metal Gear, Splinter Cell or some unexpected franchise exclusive then you'll have some advantage. To an extent it worked for Resident Evil. Have two franchises like this. I'm talking mature ones actually. Nintendo getting these isn't abandoning their audience. Its expanding it. Or more or less ditching some bullshit steriotype. If you had some announcement at e3 that you had Metal Gear AND Splinter Cell exclusive for your next system and showed them off in next gen glory. People would **** their pants.

2nd party trust. In this generation we lost Rare. The fucking beloved Rare. We felt confort in "hey we still got Silicon Knights'.....and THEN WTF. Get some 3rd parties, make em exclusive..buy their full support, invest in their company..buy percentages of the stock...and fricking more importantly of all make them GOOD. Things like geist, and advanced wars bother me. We lost Rare and Sk, and now we get these games that look sort of less than what we always expect out of Nintendo.

Expand your Franchises!!! We love Mario, Zelda, Dk, Metroid, and Pokémon. But damnit weve played 1000 incarnations of those games. Is it time for Bayou Jack, Samurai Billy, Metal Cell, or Splinter Gear. Something new please. I love Nintendo's style, but I also remember a time when I would play somehting made by Nintendo with Nintendo's style and it was something new.

First Party games more often. It shouldnt take 6 years for every Mario game. Really. Nes had 3 marios, super nintendo 2, n64 1, gamecube 1. With Mario 64 you established platforming. Then you tried to do something different by adding a waterpack and thinking it was all innovative..it wasn't it was kazooie on mario's back dressed like a water cannon. Take mario 64, bring back the long jump...and jsut build alot of freaking levels..they would all be based on mario physics. In some ways i think Nintendo is innovative. In other ways i don't think they even try anymore. With games like prince of persia being just as good as a nintendo game...(the detail, the intuitive control, the plotline, the setup...although i think pop:WW kinds sucks). It seems as though Nintendo is doing right with the new Zelda(i don't mean maturing it...i can see some gameplay improvements)

anyways, thats my rant. Feel free to add what you want or just criticize me. This is one of those times when less isn't better. 

this is bumped because for the most part its still relevant, and we draw nearer to the next generation.

Topic 1: Disc Size
Nintendo could use a larger format, but I'm not sure how much it will matter. I hope though that they have some sort of little sd-slot looking thing that takes some sort of future cart technology

Topic 2:
Backwards compatibility is still a must.

Topic 3
We probably won't get a built in ethernet port, but hopefully internet is a little bit more planned. I'm hoping if friend codes are still in play then they're system only and not one for each individual game, maybe with adding a password it will make children less likely to access mature content. I'd prefer a user name though. Also, hopefully there will be more options as far as networks go. There have got to be ways to not have such bad lag.

Topic 4
I'm still waiting Nintendo

Topic 5
Hopefully the system will be beefy enough for third party support. Hopefully, it will have the fanbase Wii did.

Topic 6
2nd parties are pretty much non-existant now-a-days. I wish they would buy some companies to fill the line-up with some killer app exclusives. Sega. Namco/Bandai?

Topic 7
I'm still Waiting Nintendo

Topic 8
Although, i don't have most of these games, Nintendo has been pretty good about it this generation. Ian is still complaining, but I think we're at appropriate Mario, Zelda, and Metroid release quantity.

[Stratos]

I think topic number 6 is just starting to come to fruition for this gen after a bumpy start.

We had Disaster from Monolith but their new game Zenoblade looks to be much more promising when it comes to a worldwide release.

We have Zangeki no Reginleiv (hopefully if comes to the states)

We could sort of count Fatal Frame 4 since that was a co-project with Tecmo that soured.

[TJ Spyke]

Topic 6
2nd parties are pretty much non-existant now-a-days. I wish they would buy some companies to fill the line-up with some killer app exclusives. Sega. Namco/Bandai?

Yeah, Sega and Namco Bandai will NEVER be second parties to any console developer. why would either want to stop making games for other companies? Second party refers to a company that may be partially owned (if it is more than 50%, then it is a first party developer)  that develops exclusively for that console maker. Think Bungie/Microsoft, or Insomniac Games/Sony, or Nintendo/HAL Laboratory).

[BlackNMild2k1]

Bungie isn't technically a 1st or 2nd party any more, but MS does have first refusal rights at their next projects after Halo: Reach.

[ThePerm]

lol we should start a Nintendo fans purchase shares of rare from Microsoft fund. We raise 300 million we have them making Wii games and leveraging the rights to conker and banjo.

[BlackNMild2k1]

We could have them release Killer Instinct Wii. And didn't they make Blast Corps? I will take another blast corps too.

[Stratos]

I <3 Blast Corps...

[ThePerm]

lol if Bungie isn't a second microsoft party anymore than they should make a game called Yellow for Wii, its about this planet called Yellow and there are like aliens and this Master Tribal Leader guy

[ThePerm]

I will bump this every time Nintendo announces a new console, or mid generation. This checklist works because this Checklist covers Nintendo deficiencies. Also, it put things in a long range perspective. History is important, and sometimes opinions cane be fickle.


Higher Capacity disks- This wasn't a huge problem with Wii because 360 had the same size disks, and it wont be a problem with Wii-U because the disks are going to be a decent sized proprietary format. I also don't see Microsoft going Blu-Ray next gen or trying to top Nintendo in this regard because there is no need. One day I hope for a return to cartridges though, by the genration after Wii-U solid state cards will be enormous.


Backwards Compatability- So Wii-U is backward compatable with Wii and not GCN, well 86 million people have Wiis and if they really want to play GCN games, then they should't get rid of their Wiis.


A built in ethernet port. Decent online- Wii online sucked and was laggy, but Reggie says online will be good. The fanboy in me believes him. About the ethernet port, forget about that. This computer is connected via Wifi in this house, and so are 3 others a Wii and a DS and all at decent speeds.


A fucking Pokémon game thats crazy-I guess im not really as much of a fan of Pokémon as I thought. Or maybe I'm not the type of fan that Nintendo wants to please. I still can envision a Pokémon game thats better then the ones that are out, in fact with each new generation my vision of Pokémon draws from new games that are out, and control methods. The deficit has gone from Tiny to Enormous now. To the point where I've given up hope. I guess I just sort of expect some JRPG with minor tweaks to come out every 2 years instead of some innovative genre bending game.


3rd party support. Wii started off with lots of 3rd party love, but because the hardware deficiency ended up passing on that. Looks like Wii-U has a couple games
from 3rd parties, and mostly of the violent shooting type that I guess means a system is cool for the average joe. I always prefer games like Cubivore and Minecraft, but that's another story. 


2nd party trust- I would say we're at 60% levels. Gone is SK and Rare, Retro is still awesome, but there needs to be more. 2nd parties are for filling genre gaps when Nintendo's hands are full. They are also meant to appease different regional preferences. Rare used to take care of this. They filled the Fighting and shooting genre and when a new Mario and Mario Kart wasnt out they made A quality clones. Monolith with Wii U sounds amazing even though i'm not an RPG fan.


Expand your Franchises!!! Wii expanded the franchise list with the Wii Sports brand, honestly as characterization it was lacking, but I still love to pop in Wii Sports even though its a 5 year old game. I love going to a friends house who just bought a Wii and totally fucking up their **** by getting a super high score in bowling that they can't beat. Who said scores didnt matter anymore? Honestly now a days I realize Nintendo doesn't make new game franchises because they just sort of do what they do and haters are gonna hate right? The real reason I want new franchises is because of exclusivity, which i don't care about as much because I'm not so much of a fanboy anymore that I wont just play it on another system. I still wish Nintendo would just buy Sega, this would single handedly take care of that problem. 


First Party games more often.
You know the Wii actually satisfied this demand. In fact I have only two 3rd party games on Wii, both by capcom.


overall Wii-U is more Satisfying than Not.

[Ian Sane]

I think it would take some sort of colossal failure for the Wii U to not be superior to the Wii.  Maybe that's more of a knock on the Wii than anything else.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Colossal failure and Wii.... hmmm. something doesn't compute.

Wii = Nintendo's most successful home console ever.
Unless you are strictly talking about 3rd party core games and over all gamer satisfaction.

[Sarail]

Mindshare. Not marketshare. At this point in the video game industry, it's all about mindshare. And right now, as much as I hate it, Microsoft has it in this country. Nintendo can garner all of the marketshare in the world -- but if it doesn't support and cater to ALL audiences (and in particular, the one audience that brings in tons of software sales -- the core gamer), then it doesn't matter how much marketshare it nets.

It's all about the mindshare. Third parties want power-infused consoles, stable and functional online infrastructures, and controllers with traditional inputs -- something that the Wii U actually has this time around.

Nintendo has the ability to capture BOTH mindshare and marketshare this next go-around. And this has me quite excited.

[leahsdad]

And right now, as much as I hate it, Microsoft has it in this country

You know, I think among gamers, and to be more specific, 15-25 year olds who play games, both male and female, you're probably right.  But I don't know if that would change, no matter what Nintendo did.   Americans, more than the Japanese, really latch on to subcultures and identities, and as a result latch on to brands that they perceive (or were marketed to make them perceive) as fitting that identity.  What Microsoft did, from the launch of the first Xbox, was identify that group, which at the time gravitated mainly towards PC games like Quake and Starcraft, the "hardcore," and cultivated that group over the course of 10 years, marketing and brand-wise, with games like Halo, Fable, Dead or Alive, Ninja Gaiden, etc..  And Nintendo?

Well, Nintendo made Nintendo games.  Mario.  Zelda.  Really cute adorable Pikmin.  Smash Bros.

Nintendo expanded that audience, in a really smart way, with the Wii.  But I don't see any way that Nintendo is going to get that Xbox crowd back (and it may be up for debate whether they ever had that demographic in the first place).  Not unless Nintendo does something radical.  And by radical, I mean stupid.  Like start making modern day military shooters.  Make the next 60 hour open world bleak Fallout game.  Oh, and stop making Mario, Zelda, Pikmin, or Metroid games, because most people (unfortunately) see those games as childish and not "edgy" enough. 

Does anyone really think the pimply-faced 16 year old calling everyone a homophobic slur on Xbox Live is going to enjoy playing a game like Animal Crossing or Mario Party?  Or would gladly own a system that allowed him to play those games?  I think not.

[leahsdad]

Backwards Compatability- So Wii-U is backward compatable with Wii and not GCN, well 86 million people have Wiis and if they really want to play GCN games, then they should't get rid of their Wiis.

Maybe I feel this way because I never bought a Gamecube (I was led astray by the PS2, and have always regretted it), BUT I would love it if they offered GCN games on Virtual Console on Wii-U.  If they up-rezed it on the fly and they only cost $15 each, I would not only love it, I would marry it and give it all my money, making my wife a broken woman.  Oh yes.

[Ian Sane]

Unless you are strictly talking about 3rd party core games and over all gamer satisfaction.

From a quality standpoint.  The Wii is the NKOTB of videogame systems.  It was a huge financial success but I doubt it will be remembered fondly aside from a handful of titles.  It will be the Bizarro Dreamcast.

[Chozo Ghost]

Wii is the AOL of gaming systems. Lots of people use it, but those who don't have a terrible opinion of it and its users. Also, like AOL its dumbed down for the lowest common denominators. That's why you play it by waggling a TV remote.

[Caterkiller]

Nintendo has amazing 1st party games, and super powered HD people will take notice. And if the U can get some real quality 3rd party games with a comparable online to the competition things will undoubtedly be different this time. Price or not, Sony went from Hero to Zero this gen. They are still respected, but not like they once were with "hardcore" crowd. Anyone company can turn around for better or for worse at any moment and Nintendo is looking to be turning toward the absolute right direction.

Every generation Nintendo has done something that just made everyone go "why?!" and this time what is it? One tablet per console? Nah that will not be an issue.

N64 -Karts?
GCN - Color purple, no Online?
Wii - Ultra lame graphics, Friend Codes?

Wii-U has everything and more. The controller and system look slick and oh so futuristic, the graphics are amazing this time around, a real online system with usernames and friend lists will be there, and real deal 3rd party games were shown even before the 1st party. People will take notice and I am so confident this will be a major hit with everyone.

The majority of my gaming friends have a wii, all of them actually, but they are all PS360 folks at heart. But they all tried brawl for online for a bit cause they love smash bros. They all played Mario Kart for a bit and though it had better online features than brawl the hassle of friend codes just kept them from enjoying fully. Now imagine these games with the robust online features that we will undoubtedly get? No matter who you are Nintendo's 1st party titles are legendary and turn heads. Throw in possibly the best versions of 3rd party games that will hit the market until 720 and PS4 and so what in the world is there not to like?

Wii did start of with 3rd party support, but the lame spin offs, right from the beginning. So don't throw that argument at me. When everyone got Soul Calibur IV Wii got Soul Calibur Legends(or some BS adventure game) When everyone got Resident Evil 5, we got unimportant rails shooter number 2, when everyone got Dead Space, we got unimportant rail shooter number 3. That list goes on. And it kept going on until developers just gave up! 3rd party support for Wii was nonexistent from the start.

There are no more excuses now, lame hardware? It's the best now! Crappy controllers? Well you got the best possible controller now! Stupid online system? Well now everyone is free from those shackles! Games are so expensive to make now a'days porting everything to every system is the way to go.  The main final fantasy series is on X-box now for goodness sakes, even the U is getting Tekken and Ninja Gaiden. If the user base is there and nintendo's own fans will make sure of that, there is no way 3rd parties can just ignore Nintendo this time. Not everyone will have a grudge any more, they just can't take the financial hits.

I am so excited about the potential of this system. Those of you wallowing in despair well just stick with your other systems, you do have them right? And if your really not happy just buy everything, problem solved. 

[ThePerm]

if you showed this to someone during the 1950s they would have a totally different reaction.

You have a TV in your had, which connects to a Giant TV, has realistc graphics, and joysticks and buttons, and touch screens and motion controls that connects to the internet through outer space and letsd you play with other people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r1CZTLk-Gk