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IGN seemingly tries to talk Nintendo down!
« on: January 28, 2005, 09:49:59 AM »
I just read something over at Cube.ign.com which upset me a lot!!!!

With the headline "Nintendo Financials: The game giant takes another hit.", IGN posts a newsstory which makes you think Nintendo is in trouble - again! It was particularly the manner of speech "-takes another hit." which offended me. Because despite some recent shortcomings on the financial side, according to fresh estimates they´re posting over 1/2 Billion Euro in netprofit this year, with a GameCube dubbed by many as a "failure" having sold over 18 million units already! The Game Boy Advance has shipped 66 million units of hardware to date, and 1/4 billion units of software. The Nintendo DS shipped almost 3 million units of hardware in under a month! What is all this talk then of "another blow"? Does IGN hate Nintendo? Do they want Nintendo to fail perhaps? Every time I read the mailbox by Matt Cassamassina, I always hear him being very hypocritical, in the way that on one side he certainly doesn´t mind playing Nintendo´s games and owning their latest machines. While on the other hand being very busy doubting them!! I see this time and again. But nomatter how much this website talks bad about Nintendo, they will NOT fail!!

They´re going to succeed, which has already become so much more apparent with the launch of Nintendo DS and it´s wonderfull range of new gameplay-changing software that so delights that it is simply amazing!! Then wait until the Nintendo Revolution in launched! Curiously IGN has just today reported some patent-thing goings on with Nintendo that could indicate what the Revolution thing is going to be all about - read about that

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Meantime, I think that IGN should get busy righting their shamefull hypocrisy which of late has started to get me thinking if I should stop visiting their website alltogether!! Then, Mr. cassamassina and x-box friends can sit a revel in their pro-x-box chatter, while Nintendo launches a revolution which will draw in all the wonderfull Nintendo gamers along with all the latent gamers out there who have tired of abundantly complicated or difficult games all made history with the new baby from Nintendo!

Nintendo so ROCKS the world, that the rest of the gang are JEALOUS!!  
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RE: IGN talks Nintendo down!
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2005, 10:49:14 AM »
On a similar note, Halo fanboys all over the Internet are celebrating because Microsoft's games divisions posted a profit of $84 million last quarter.  Nevermind that they'll still likely post a loss for the fiscal year, because there was a profit during the one quarter that Xbox's biggest selling game was released.

Meanwhile, these same people are going on about the whole Nintendo is D00M3D thing because quarterly profits weren't as strong as originally anticipated.  Again, nevermind that they posted a profit of $679 million (8x Microsoft's profit) during the same quarter.
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RE: IGN talks Nintendo down!
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2005, 11:43:22 AM »
Heh, isn't this the MS game division's first evar quarter in the black too?
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RE: IGN talks Nintendo down!
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2005, 11:44:55 AM »
Yes.  At least since the beginning of the Xbox.
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RE: IGN talks Nintendo down!
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2005, 07:41:15 PM »
And they (MS!) predict no further black quarters until 2007.

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RE: IGN talks Nintendo down!
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2005, 01:37:47 AM »
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IGN talks Nintendo down!

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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2005, 04:04:37 AM »
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Does IGN hate Nintendo?

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RE: IGN talks Nintendo down!
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2005, 05:13:54 AM »
I think the another blow was for that surprise quater way back yonder when they hit the red. Ok maybe it was last year but I cant remeber and no one except Xbox losers cared.
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RE:IGN talks Nintendo down!
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2005, 06:33:27 AM »
Right on, guys!

Just keep coming with them blows to Microsoft fanboys, Microsoft itself and their bloody HEXBOX!! Then I can relaxxxxxxxxxxxx.... (just put my Arnold Mini-Gun away, for the moment!)

Yes, damn them and their lies, and black hopes for mighty Nintendo.

You know what? I think Nintendo comes from Heaven, and all the others from Hell! So  G O D  is on Ninty´s side, but not on the others side! Hey, THAT means a lot!!

Because it means...Ninty WINS! MU-HAHAHAHA! MU-HAHAHAHA!! Take that jealous competition! Ninty´s the best, you´re just the rest!!! MU-HAHAHAHA!!! MU-HAHAHAHA!!!! MU-HAHAHAHA!!!!! MU-HAHAHAHA!!!!!!
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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2005, 06:35:47 AM »
They talk ninty down because then we the nintendo fans get angry and start bashing them and giving them hits.

its all about the popularity.

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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2005, 06:38:31 AM »
Gamebasher: Forgot your medication?

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RE: IGN talks Nintendo down!
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2005, 08:54:57 AM »
Speaking religion is a sin on this internet!
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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2005, 04:03:07 PM »
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You know what? I think Nintendo comes from Heaven, and all the others from Hell! So G O D is on Ninty´s side, but not on the others side! Hey, THAT means a lot!!
Leave luck to heaven.

But seriously Gamebasher, you started this thread as a bash IGN because they bashed Nintendo flame fest. The truth is that yes, if your weak enough to consider this a 'blow' to Nintendo then it would be another blow because they've had some problems recently. We're bringing up the Xbox and bashing that because frankly, Nintendo is still flying high compared to Microsoft. Human's have always put others down to make themselves feel better and did you really think that it would any different with us?  
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RE:IGN talks Nintendo down!
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2005, 02:44:12 PM »
KDR_11k, no I did not forget my "medication". I am just tired of people who likes to 1) use Nintendo´s products, but 2) be shamefull about it for thinking they´re not adult enough when talking to their friends who play Halo 2! I don´t sit in a closet and play Zelda or Mario!!

And RABicle, I am sorry to read that you think I am a weak PGC Forum member!

You wrote:

"But seriously Gamebasher, you started this thread as a bash IGN because they bashed Nintendo flame fest. The truth is that yes, if your weak enough to consider this a 'blow' to Nintendo then it would be another blow because they've had some problems recently. We're bringing up the Xbox and bashing that because frankly, Nintendo is still flying high compared to Microsoft. Human's have always put others down to make themselves feel better and did you really think that it would any different with us?"

So to answer your volley:

You may be bringing up the xbox issue, but I choose to bring up the GCN issue, since I feel that Ninty needs a big bearhug sometimes. In particular when a lot of people likes to put them down, forgetting how much Nintendo has given to them (which means they can sit and play great 3d games with great controllers today), and to the game industry itself over the years. So that´s why I like to favor the GCN issue over the xbox one! I don´t like to put people or companies down, since I always wish we could all "get along", and I really don´t see how I am weak in considering the IGN news report being a "blow" to Nintendo. It   i s   a blow to Nintendo, since they talk them down! What do you think others will gather of it, when they read it? They may think it´s really bad for the Kyoto-based games company right now, which is a lie.

You can click right over onto GamesIndustry.biz - one of the best gamesnews websites - and see what they write about Nintendo! They actually write what there is to write, based off of the facts rather than influencing perceptions through cunning remarks that are read by lots and lots of people!

In the stockmarket you can have financial analyst actually lower the value of stocks, by talking negative of them, since many eyes are fixed on what they write in newspapers, and on the internet. It´s not much different with the Gaming press.  I.e., years ago, large parts of the gaming press talked the SEGA Dreamcast down through rabidly negative newsreporting, so that people thought it was over before it really was! I vividly remember how Ps2 magazines celebrated "the Death of Dreamcast" in a hillariously mean and infantile fashion! I also remember how I wanted to smack them up good!

They started a war, rather than upholding the previously far more healthy competition between gaming platforms!! So I respond to such negative nonsense, since it is to me completely unacceptable. And I don´t care if SEGA shot themselves in the foot by opening their machine to massive pirating of original software. Their machine was FAR better then Ps2, and to this day it remains so. Which was openly admitted by the press many times. Then, how come so many others wanted it dead? Couldn´t they forgive SEGA for past mistakes, so strongly sought righted through the release of a new and wonderfull machine? 4 controller ports, far better graphics than Ps2 and much better and easier gamedevelopement? What was all wrong with that?

Nintendo´s David Gosen have stated that each time a gamewebsite editor gets bored with the current generation of consoles, he starts wishing for- and attempting to usher in the next one. Even prematurely so, since there is at least 5 years of life in each and every console launched to market! He lamented it and bashed Microsoft, remarking that every time there is one person bored with a console, there are hundreds of new gamers just discovering them!

In my opinion, editors running big gameswebsites should NOT get away easily with sitting in the comfort of their own offices and talking consoles down, just because they are bored with it or have a liking for another and have the popularity that give such bashing power! There is a whole cult around the Halo 2 game right now, and one much alike the one surrounding the Counter Strike game. These are perceived as adult games, and people everywhere love to play them. But there is just as many who perceive them too crude and even outright evil with all that killing going on in them!!

There are whole countries who have woken up, and begun to legislate against such maliciously inhumane content in games! My point is that Nintendo have a right to exist, and not to get bogged down in all kinds of fanboy warmongering which comes from people genuinely wanting to kill them off because they DON´T like "tiku tiku tiku!  Nintendo"!! How crude, how egoistic! There is this tendency to rally behind big brandname game products, big wellknown game companies, despite the fact that in many cases they aren´t better because they´re from somebody who is big! But they are perceived as such by many, and this unfairly drowns the competition overshadowing it in a most worrying way!

Take EA! How many crapgames have they released recently, which relies more on their brandname than actual gamecontent? Many! Shoddy stearing, crappy graphics, the same gameplay year after year, reflecting a most "relaxed" attitude towards gamedevelopement responsibilities!! But are they getting a fair amount of flack for it? No! Did SEGA for their games, and do Nintendo for theirs? Yes! I don´t wan´t to give you anymore examples. I can just express my own opinion. But I share it with many!

Matt Cassamassina said a couple of weeks ago that he is a "bad boy", who likes xbox a lot, and don´t mind bashing Nintendo, when he feels like it. He also joked about going over to exclusively writing xbox-content, instead of Gamecube content. There was PGC Forum members who expresed the desire that he would!

And I also think he should. With his hypocritical Nintendo attitude, he winds up hurting a lot of people who loves Nintendo, you know! Plus anger them! And get a lot of other people to perhaps alter their view of Nintendo! IGN is probably the biggest gaming website in the world, and so a lot of people see what they write!! Therefore I know they have influence over how people perceive a given console! And with such power, comes a great responsibility! Otherwise it is abuse of said power! It´s a fierce battle over the gamers right now, but if there are not clear and respected rules of conduct in the gaming press, it will all descend into a chaos of outright war which has nothing to do with healthy competition.

No positive: "I have an xbox, but I also think Nintendo makes great games. I might buy a GameCube someday." Instead it´s more like the negative: "I have an Xbox, and both Nintendo and Sony can go to hell because Microsoft is the best! Halo 2 forever!! Halo 2 rules!! Let´s destroy Nintendo, and then Sony!!" No kidding, there are definitely more people today who think like that! But I´d say that´s unacceptable!! I don´t care if you think I am judging people or something. I wish for a higher morale, or people will descend into warmongering consolefanatics! Then we can have a Nintendo Nation, an Xbox Nation and a PlayStation nation and fight world war 4!

You can say I go too far. I feel I don´t. I feel I am touching on a highly prevaíling, current issue which should be discussed! The issue of devious newsreporting which fuels warmongering directed towards specific consoles!!

Not shoved under the rug with arguments like "you´re paranoid" or "you´re too much". Healthy discussion expands awareness. In this case awareness of devious newsreporting which can alter popular perceptions, where more neutral newsreporting would be better leaving people to make up their own mind about the news!

So, it is a very delicate balance! That balance easily tipped, and which we can call "the Gaming platform popularity scale". Some gamecompanies, ones other than Nintendo, work in many ways to try to change the perception of which is the most "popular" platform, into their own direction! You can say that "of course they do that, it´s a big market for games." But I say: it is the way in which they do it which I notice and dislike! Both by putting the other platforms down through ordinary advertising, and through more devious means.  Fanboy nonsense!!
   
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RE: IGN talks Nintendo down!
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2005, 04:26:53 PM »
damn, you people always make my IGN buy all plans to fail, I end up clicking the links no matter how much I dont want to go to their site

well, sadly war sells more than love, from a journalistic point of view, its no surprising the media feeding grudges against fans of the companies, specially such a fanboy journalism as is the gaming one, one of the few decent sites Ive seen is gameindustry.biz, most of the other websites are just too biased.
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« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2005, 06:55:54 PM »
Mantidor, BRAVO!!

You are the first PGC Forum member to tell the painfull truth about all of this! Always nice to know I am not alone in seeing this persisting problem!

So, thanks!!

I really appreciated your reply!!! I hope more PGC Forum members will join in this discussion, so we can all expand our awareness of a most uncomfortable and damaging phenomenon!!  
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« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2005, 02:55:07 AM »
Nice thesis, IGN gives it 6.7

Umm Avinash_Tyagi said basically the same thing as mantidor here but you didn't lavish praise on him.
Anyway Gamebasher I didn't actually call you weak.
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The truth is that yes, if your weak enough to consider this a 'blow' to Nintendo then it would be another blow because they've had some problems recently.
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What do you think others will gather of it, when they read it? They may think it´s really bad for the Kyoto-based games company right now, which is a lie.
You covered for me the people who are weak, those who take IGN's word as gospel and consider this bad.

Regardless let's continue. I belive that the media, especially IGN, can say whatever they like. It's not like other press outlets are held to any kind of standards, just look at News Ltd, so why should we expect the same from gaming press? And your overstating IGN's importance, of the millions upon millioins of PS2 and GBA owners how many of them visit IGN reguarly? The mainstream, the amjority, get their impressions from their mates which are usually based on actaul play experience. You can't shut them up. There will be no revolution in the credibility of word of mouth or press, these corporations are responsible for their own success and failures. You can't blame someone else.

Personally I try to rise above such rubbish as Matt Cassa-whatever-his-face and just not give a rats about them. I'll worry about playing the games. When my games dry up I'll get worried.
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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2005, 09:20:01 AM »
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damn, you people always make my IGN buy all plans to fail, I end up clicking the links no matter how much I dont want to go to their site
You need to have more self-control.  I haven't given IGN a single hit in over two months.  I think it was Craig's DS vs PSP mailbag that sent me over the edge.  After that I vowed to never give them another hit again.  
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« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2005, 03:40:31 PM »
I know, but they have this new section when the actually talk with reggie, Perrin Kaplan and George Harrison! argh, I hate them for that...
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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2005, 06:04:11 AM »
Mantidor: if anything REALLY important comes out in those articles, someone who still reads IGN will mention it on the forums!  If you really want to escape IGN, you can!  Personally, I still visit IGN once in a while because I believe they have good game coverage and the occassional interesting interview, but I've started to avoid their editorials and mail sections, especially the ones that people post in forums, since those are the ones that encourage IGN to attract readers with flamebait.
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« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2005, 11:28:50 AM »
RABicle, I thank you for the reply.

Here is what you wrote:

"You covered for me the people who are weak, those who take IGN's word as gospel and consider this bad.

Regardless let's continue. I belive that the media, especially IGN, can say whatever they like. It's not like other press outlets are held to any kind of standards, just look at News Ltd, so why should we expect the same from gaming press? And your overstating IGN's importance, of the millions upon millioins of PS2 and GBA owners how many of them visit IGN reguarly? The mainstream, the amjority, get their impressions from their mates which are usually based on actaul play experience. You can't shut them up. There will be no revolution in the credibility of word of mouth or press, these corporations are responsible for their own success and failures. You can't blame someone else.

Personally I try to rise above such rubbish as Matt Cassa-whatever-his-face and just not give a rats about them. I'll worry about playing the games. When my games dry up I'll get worried."

Excellent.

And you are right! We should not worry about such rubbish, as what Matt and x-box friends fling out into cyberspace. I didn´t actually realize that such nonsense have less impact than actual gameplay. I just thought that people would be visiting IGN in large numbers, and so notice more what they´re saying than what others being more fair would be saying about Nintendo.

Besides, here is a cool speech by Satoru Iwata, when he visited Paris. I think his words on Nintendo DS clearly reflects why it is a revolution and which indeed will capture so far unreachable gamers to Nintendo! This is a must-hear speech, so feel free to click right over to it

right here where the great man speaks the words, that rocked the whole gaming world!
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« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2005, 11:38:09 AM »
I forgot to include, that, now Mr. Cassamassina who is so fixed on Sony PSP and x-box can sit and think for a while if not his whole premise about which console is best is the most faulty such that I have seen ever. Iwata´s speech, about how gamers who previously didn´t play games, now do it with great amusement, is living testimony to the success of Nintendo´s new handheld and of their entire game-strategy as well! Sony and Microsoft are those who would have surely brought the market to a standstill were it not for Nintendo and their allways fresh ideas about how to innovate and thus interest new gamers. Not that they have not made mistakes. It´s human to make mistakes, but right now they deserve all the applause we can give them. Can´t wait to see what the Revolution will give us!!!    
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