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Offline Darkheart

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should we worry now?
« on: January 10, 2005, 07:34:34 PM »
I dont know how many of you guys watch g4 or even get it in your television programming, but i do.  And to those who watch it probably know of the show called Screensavers, a quirky news show that only covers  electronic related news.  Well today they announced a "rumor" that the American PSP price is going to be 150.00 O_o............  If this is true then there is no reason for the DS to have even a running start, the american public will say,  "do i want a hyped up mini n64 with no video or mp3 output or a ultimate machine?"  I bet you they would go with the PSP despite the short battery life or the fact that they have to buy a memory stick, heck now I think I'll go buy one for that price.  No I am not abandonning Nintendo I have already the DS, but I am not impressed with the slow trickle of lackluster games. ( and no i dont even count mario cart a must have game)  They keep on saying they have over 120 games in development and they are giving me the crap of the crop.  Warioware and Yoshi is the only games people are looking forward to, and thats nintendo fans,  what about the gamers who bought the ds for non mario games.  I love mario and all but I am getting fed up of over using old nintendo franchises that arent even being updated.  How long must I play rehashed ports.  Are you seriously telling me that Nintendo couldnt make a new mario platforming game.  And please dont tell me that they are with the DS mario coming out, because seriously thats not what i wanted, i just wanted a brand new 2-d mario expierience.  Mario aside though, no games are coming out to even excite me, I am waiting for Goemon at least.  PSP does have the graphics of the Ps2 and yes if they wanted to they probably could of made it for the PS2 but hey its still on the go and to me, that is a plus.  I just feel about this overall in the end, Nintendo was given a head start, and to me they didnt suceed all that much, yes they are way ahead in sales, but even if they had 10 million people it is not the whole handheld market, and its not that hard for numbers to switch around.  Nintendo should of put some killer titles out or waited for a better launch, they've had enough time to release a crappy launch but they could of fixed it by now with some kick ass titles.  I work at a gaming store and mario 64 ds is the only game selling!!!!  This is how nintendo has been, and im growing tired of their ways, i am starting to  buy their systems just for their franchises.  I have a strong feeling Revolution will be just the same way.

Im still happy i bought my Ds but i am becoming increasingly really pissed at nintendo,

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RE: should we worry now?
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2005, 07:49:35 PM »
I watch G4techTV.

One thing you should keep in mind, is that the G4 corperation is very "pro-PSP" (I'm starting to think they have something against Nintendo too, if you saw that rant Kevin Pereira made).

I for one think it would be stupid on Sony's part to make the PSP 150 here in the states. They're already losing money in Japan, and in American standards, it's priced higher than 150 dollars. If they make make it 150 here in the states, they would be losing even more money. Also, I think Sony is being quite immature these days. They're willing to lose money just to kick Nintendo off the handheld market.

P.S. That "150 dollar PSP" rumor was ages ago. Though, don't be surprised if it turns out to be true. Hopefully, Americans will realize that inovation in gameplay is a bit more important than graphics. Japan realized it.
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RE: should we worry now?
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2005, 09:34:33 PM »
Nintendo can match anything sony does and still make money... Heck my brother got a gamecube, two controllers, mario kart, a mad catz controller, a memory card, and an extension cord all for 99 dollars...
Anyway, If sony does match the DS's price, Nintendo can easily drop to 100 or stay at 150 and add in the play-yan thing...

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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2005, 09:59:10 PM »
Here's the thing. Nintendo launched the DS in America for $150. Then they launched it in Japan for 15,000 yen, which (because of exchange rates) is/was slightly cheaper than in America.

Then Sony launched the (base model) PSP in Japan for 20,000 yen. The PSP is widely believed to cost a lot more than that to produce, but after some creative "number juggling", Sony found themselves able to claim/boast that they're actually earning a profit on the unit at 20,000 yen. Sony is rather obviously trying to agressively elbow their way into the handheld market, buying the love of the graphics whores, no matter the cost.

At this point, people realized that 20,000 yen = $180-185 American. Then an analyst from Bloomberg or something pointed out that historically Sony has always (twice) launched a console at it's full price in Japan, then delivered a price cut before the American launch. So he logically concluded that the PSP would launch at $150 in America, which would be the same price as the DS, and send Nintendo panicking into a price cut of $25-50.

Since then, the exchange rate has kept on changing, and as it stands right now, 20,000 yen is equal to $192 American.

Sony recently sent out a bunch of invites to the videogame media, telling them to come to a special press conference being held on the day before the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, where they intended to talk about the PSP. Everyone seemed to expect that Sony would announce the price and launch date. Sony just said "Hey. We've got this thing. It's called a PSP. What, you've heard of it? Oh. That sucks. No, we can't tell you the price. Launch date? Uhhh... sometime around March? Maybe? I dunno. Here, have a CD with screenshots of the Japanese games." Most media people seemed to be pissed.

Bloomberg however had a guy who apparently went to the press conference, and he said that Sony also said that the price would be a vague "something under $200", except that nobody else seems able to confirm that.

Now we've got G4 people who have apparently pulled a "$150" number out of their butts. I seriously doubt that there's anything to their number.

However, if Sony can find an excuse to make it $150, like if they say "Oh, everyone expected it", and they've got the financial guts to pull something like that off, then it'll be $150. Sony is looking really agressive right now, and it would be a mistake to underestimate them.

Of course, if it does come out at $150, Nintendo needs to have the balls to drop the DS to $99 and can the GBA SP. The DS has what it takes to be two pillars at once (namely, a GBA cart slot).  
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RE: should we worry now?
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2005, 11:05:48 PM »
Yeah, the DS may not play old GBA games in multiplayer... HOWEVER, a GBA game can be made specifically for the DS... Any games that come out from now on on a GBA cart can support multiplayer over the DS... The developers just have to add suport for DS local wireless and/or WiFi on the GBA cart as well as standard GBA link.

I think the easiest option for Nintendo would be to hurry up and finish the play-yan, have some GOOD working features in it, and bundle it with all DS's at 150, or else just sell it seperately and have the DS at 99... I mean 150 isn't a bad deal if you get a DS and a play yan, and a demo of some game. And the DS is already out... By the time PSP has more than 15 games (read: E3 or later) the DS will already be an even bigger hit (with more games coming like mario kart and metroid) and in a position to drop the price just as sony is getting it's first big game. Not to mention that around E3 PSP will just be starting in North Am. while the DS will have sold millions by then AND be starting it's online gaming with Metroid Prime and Mario Kart... I think the PSP has a tough battle... I think Microsoft said it best.... Sony is just wasting it's effort trying to use a little twig to pry the hippo named Nintendo from it's throne while MS gleefully sneaks up behind Sony and kicks the PS3 in the balls.

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RE:should we worry now?
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2005, 04:28:29 AM »
No.  We should worry when Sony actually announces a price.

I'd like to remind everyone that Sony's launch games are no better than Nintendo's!  They may be better than the North American launch lineup, but in Japan, the DS launch lineup was also better.  I think a lot of early adopters to the DS are getting game fever - there's nothing coming out so everyone is all ready to jump right over to Sony just because it's there.  Nintendo should have planned for this, because now people will perceive the DS as not having enough games even though it will probably have a much better lineup than the PSP by the time that system is launched here.
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2005, 01:15:56 PM »
i really only think that we nerds are concerned.

but like many others have said, let's worry when Sony announces a retail price and launch date  
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RE: should we worry now?
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2005, 07:03:56 PM »
"I think the easiest option for Nintendo would be to hurry up and finish the play-yan, have some GOOD working features in it, and bundle it with all DS's at 150, or else just sell it seperately and have the DS at 99... I mean 150 isn't a bad deal if you get a DS and a play yan, and a demo of some game."

No that wouldn't work. The play-yan is useless if u don't have a SD memory card. They'd lose a lot of money bundling play-yans to people who don't even need them. They COULD pack in a coupon for a play-yan. Maybe for half off. But i don't see this happening.

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RE: should we worry now?
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2005, 12:45:46 AM »
um....no
You see, the PSP has built in MP3/movie playback... And guess what, that requires a Memory Stick. Memory sticks cost a LOT more than SD cards. People will buy the cheapest one, which will only have enough for game saves. So tons of PSP users aren't going to use it either.
Anyway, SD cards are very cheap, and while Nintendo is adding an SD adaptor it might as well use it for more than just MP3 and movie playback... Remembor Nintendo had a similar product planned for GCN... a memory card which was an SD adaptor. It can be used for many things, lika mini hard drive. With online games coming out, many games might have downloadable content or patches. Also, the SD card could be used in conjuction with DS Download play.. I mean a couple megs of RAM aren't going to cut it when the big games come out.
Anyway, then Nintendo could just have two packages, a DS system for 120, and a DS with play-yan for 150....

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« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2005, 04:10:23 PM »
Hate to sound stupid but what exactly is play yan?
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« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2005, 04:44:14 PM »
IMO Nintendo needs to cut the DS Price to 99.99 March 1st...  
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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2005, 04:47:39 AM »
Play yan is the GBA/DS Media player that runs off of Panasonic SD cards, you can play MP3 songs and MP4 movies.
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RE:should we worry now?
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2005, 08:40:08 AM »
Worry?

With games like Advance wars, Animal crossing, Mario Kart coming out, not to mention a slew of other good games.

With the possibility of online becoming available around march.

With the potential for a price drop or a bundle around the release of the PSP.

Why should we worry?


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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2005, 05:28:53 AM »
I think Nintendo is in trouble. I love Nintendo its my favorite company but if you look
at Nintendo's DS all it has is a touch screen and a mic over the PSP. If you look at Sony's PSP it has better graphics it has music right out of the box and it has video.
Nintendo's DS doesn't have any of these features but they have add ons. Plus kids in these days love GTA and other violent games. They want a product thats not going to make them look like babies with PSP now getting GTA, Nintendo better get good games on the DS like a smash brothers or another great third party game. One thing that is really getting me mad is that all these third parties like EA and Namco are really supporting the PSP. EA alone is giving the PSP 6 launch titles alone. I hope Nintendo gets alot more third party in the future.

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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2005, 06:25:08 AM »
I want to know where all of DS' third party support magically dissapeared to.  From what I understand the DS has a smash bang line up of strickingly origional titles.  Sure they're not as "cool" as madden, but they're better games.  why does no one seem to point out this fact.  ALmost everything on the PSP can be found on a console. absolutely NO origionality whatsoever.

RE: should we worry now?
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2005, 10:41:07 AM »
Sony's third party support for PSP is going to, IMO, SEVERLY drop after its release.  Just look at their situation, they have a larger set of problems compared to Nintendo.  

RELEASE-     If they release in the US with a small amount of systems as in Japan then there will be a shortage of systems and a abundance of software.  

Developement Cost-     Since the PSP is roughly a PS2, developement costs for its games should rival those of a PS2 game.  

With a shortage of systems and abundance of games, ALOT of games are going to stay on store shelves, thus a lot of companies are not going to see a return in their high cost games.  In the long run, companies are going to be reluctant to release much software for the PSP given it's high production value which they would probably prefer to throw behind a PS2/X-box/GC game.  As a result, companies will put less money into producing PSP games thus making PSP games look or play like crap (a complaint with alot of PSP games according to EGM's hands on impressions)

Price-      I know Sony and the media like to brag about the PSP's price all the time but thats all just for show.  If you really take into account what exactly you need to buy to get anything out of your PSP, then you see exactly what a PSP is going to cost.  Lets say the systems releases at 150 for now.  PSP= $150(minimum), memory stick= $20-30 (minimum), game= $40 (minimum).  Those are the essentials right now not including a case to protect the huge screen.  So if you want to play a game, the cost should be $220 without taxt.  If you want to listen to music, $180.  If you want to see a movie, I would guess the cost would be roughly $210 depending on how much umd movies cost.  

Compare all that to the DS, modest production value, already a huge user base (and growing), $150 with a demo, $30-40 a game, and I see little reason to be worried.  Also, GTA does sell like hotcakes but I'd love to see it go head to head with Pokemon (a universal success, not just domestic)
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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2005, 11:13:17 AM »
I think the pickings are going to be lean for DS games until around March.  Here's the latest release dates from EBGames' website...

Final Fantasy: Crystal Chonicles DS - Feb. 7
Wario Ware Touched - Feb. 14

Bomberman DS - Mar. 1
Dynasty Warriors - Mar. 1
Sonic DS - Mar. 1
Yoshi Touch & Go - Mar. 14

Viewtiful Joe DS - May 8
Metroid Prime: Hunters - May 8

Animal Crossing DS - Sept. 12
Mario Kart DS - Sept. 12
Advance Wars DS - Oct. 9  
Castlevania - TBA Q3 2005

Animal Crossing, Mario Kart and Advance Wars all recently changed from March to September/October.  That really sucks...it looks like the DS won't a heck of a lot until mid-year, and then the real titles will start dropping (not surprisingly) around Christmas.

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RE: should we worry now?
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2005, 11:47:27 AM »
FF:CC in Feb 6? WTF, I haven't even seen a shred of info on this game and its less than a month from release.  Damn, I think I finally have my first big reason to get the DS.
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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2005, 12:38:27 PM »
That's what Gamestop is saying.  But then again, they also have Animal Crossing, Advance Wars DS, and Mario Kart all listed as shipping March 1st so I doubt it's true.  EBGames usually has dates that are much more reliable, and they don't even have FF:CC DS listed on their website.

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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2005, 03:15:31 PM »
this is IGN's list for Q1.
January 17, 2005     Zoo Keeper      Ignition Entertainment           Puzzle
February 7, 2005    Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles DS    Square Enix       RPG
February 7, 2005    Frogger    Konami       Action
February 7, 2005    GoldenEye: Rogue Agent    Electronic Arts       Shooter
February 7, 2005    Need for Speed Underground    Electronic Arts       Racing
February 14, 2005    Wario Ware Touched!    Nintendo       Party
March 1, 2005    Bomberman DS    Hudson Soft       Action
March 1, 2005    Dynasty Warriors    KOEI       Action
March 1, 2005    Egg Monster Hero    Square Enix       Action
March 1, 2005    Mobile Suit Gundam Seed    Bandai       Action
March 1, 2005    Pac 'n Roll    Namco       Action
March 1, 2005    Sonic DS    SEGA       Action
March 1, 2005    Yu-Gi-Oh: Nightmare Troubadour    Konami       Card
March 14, 2005    Retro Atari Classics    Atari       Compilation
March 14, 2005    Yoshi Touch & Go    Nintendo       Action
March 2005    Rayman DS    Ubisoft       Platformer
Q1 2005    Nanostray    Majesco       Shooter

beats the psp list of EA remixes.

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RE: should we worry now?
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2005, 06:15:25 PM »
Hopefully Sonic DS will be cool.  I'd love it if it took the series back to its 16-Bit roots, and used both screens in the process.  I'd buy an old-school Sonic the Hedgehog game in a second.

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RE: should we worry now?
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2005, 05:23:21 AM »
Unless they're using some totally insane screwed up formula for Frogger (third person shooter?) that sounds like a decent game.