Author Topic: Something important to know about the Revolution (Read 116956 times)

Noble~Feather · « **Reply #50 on:** January 17, 2005, 06:54:48 AM »

... Maybe I've just said too much.

I will speak on this subject no more.

vudu · « **Reply #51 on:** January 17, 2005, 08:48:15 AM »

I would just like to point out that Nobel~Feather has been discussing Revolution vs. Xenon over in this thread. He's been quoted as saying:

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The developer said, in terms of graphics & power, "Xenon will win in some places, Revolution will win in most places."

Judging from this, you can reasonably assume that the developer has seen Xenon's (and quite possible PS3's) specs, and therefore isn't a second-party.

So much for Retro.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #52 on:** January 17, 2005, 10:15:19 AM »

Unless they were generalizing based on what they saw, like the Elder Scroll screenshots.

As for me, I could care less what the format is, so long as it's compatible with the system

ruby_onix · « **Reply #53 on:** January 17, 2005, 01:07:44 PM »

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You guys, why don't you just say? No one can sue you. Noble~Feather has an obligation but no one else does. Share a little?

To everyone: It was never Noble's secret to share. Just respect that and drop the subject.

The whole system's gonna get unveiled in two months anyways, so what does it matter? Even with that one detail (assuming it's true), you still won't know squat about the Revolution.

Truthliesn1seyes · « **Reply #54 on:** January 18, 2005, 07:33:48 AM »

Come on, stop beatin around the bush, did he or did he not say it and then edit it out? If he did say it at first then edit it out then he already gave out some of his secret. Might as well not hide that little detail anymore. I'm too lazy to search for what savior wants plus RE4 is more deserving of my time right now lol. My only guess is that it's HD-dvd or blue ray. Those are the 2 obvious ones.

vudu · « **Reply #55 on:** January 18, 2005, 07:46:48 AM »

Truth - Nobel originally posted his message at 2:11 PM and then edited it at 5:47 PM. I think it's safe to assume something important was there for about three and a half hours. But we'll never know what.

As for your second question, I took about thirty seconds out of my life and browsed the the stickied Revolution thread. Savior seems to be a fan of Blue Ray.

Artimus · « **Reply #56 on:** January 18, 2005, 07:54:28 AM »

I won't say but here's a hint:

Turqoise Without Green Jamie Foxx Role

Truthliesn1seyes · « **Reply #57 on:** January 18, 2005, 08:00:04 AM »

nice hint artimus lol and king thanks for the info. When I visualized searching the forum, I didn't exactly see it as being a 30 second affair thats why I didn't bother. Besides, my cable connection has been acting up, going off and on, I didn't want to be stressed with a bad connection during a search. Thanks for the info again though.

odifiend · « **Reply #58 on:** January 18, 2005, 11:17:27 AM »

According to the French Eurogamer article, with the supposed insider who unveiled the DS to them, Revolution will be using HD-DVD. Does that match up with what N~F was saying? And if so, he can start talking because now we'd be discussing a completely different source.

Artimus · « **Reply #59 on:** January 18, 2005, 11:53:53 AM »

HD-DVD and Blu Ray are so similar it wouldn't really matter which. I can't see them going with HD-DVD over Blu Ray, but they're both similar.

ruby_onix · « **Reply #60 on:** January 18, 2005, 12:25:04 PM »

Thanks Mr Spillthebeans Numbers 2&3.

I hope the rest of you think that detail was worth it, because the chances of Noble ever opening his mouth again seem to be dropping like a rock.

The Omen · « **Reply #61 on:** January 18, 2005, 12:25:43 PM »

Well, lets assume it's BluRay for the moment. Wouldn't Nintendo then be paying Sony for each disc? I know Panasonic is also involved with BluRay, so maybe they'll use their clout with them.

Really, they have to be careful here. If HD-dvd becomes the standard, what will they do then? Then again, if all 3 consoles choose Bluray, I'm sure that'll usher in BluRay being embraced over Hddvd.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #62 on:** January 18, 2005, 12:42:03 PM »

"Really, they have to be careful here. If HD-dvd becomes the standard, what will they do then?"

What difference does it make? Game consoles are proprietary. Movie playback may be a problem but console games are unaffected by standards.

Noble~Feather · « **Reply #63 on:** January 18, 2005, 12:59:35 PM »

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Originally posted by: ruby_onix
Thanks Mr Spillthebeans Numbers 2&3.

I hope the rest of you think that detail was worth it, because the chances of Noble ever opening his mouth again seem to be dropping like a rock.

^ Smart kid.

Guitar Smasher · « **Reply #64 on:** January 18, 2005, 01:02:23 PM »

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Originally posted by: kingvudu
Truth - Nobel originally posted his message at 2:11 PM and then edited it at 5:47 PM. I think it's safe to assume something important was there for about three and a half hours. But we'll never know what.

I know it's already been 'revealed', but I suggest that if you want to know what he supposedly knows, you should just follow the link in his sig. It's not hard to figure out where to go from there.

Savior · « **Reply #65 on:** January 18, 2005, 03:01:28 PM »

One source says Blue Ray... Another Source says HD-DVD

So really were back to square one. People seem to be making much ado about nothing. With the conflicting reports we dont know whose right

Stimutacs Addict · « **Reply #66 on:** January 18, 2005, 04:24:42 PM »

@ Sacior: i hate shakespeare. . .

actually i just dont like that particular play

MattVDB · « **Reply #67 on:** January 18, 2005, 05:22:18 PM »

Wait. So aren't we in for the same senario next gen, as we were in this gen, in that the GCN couldn't play DVDs?

If Blue-Ray becomes the gaming standard, and HD DVD become the Hollywood standard, how are we one step closer to the "complete entertainment center"? It's a split market. Nobody likes those. Microsoft seems to think that this is where game consoles are going though, and with Blue-Ray being pushed back to next year, it leaves them with really only one choice if they do launch this year, right? So, say Microsoft chooses HD, and Sony Blue Ray, what if Nintendo picks wrong? Won't they get the same acusations against them next gen as they did this gen? So, which one should they pick? I don't think the answer is so clear.

Savior · « **Reply #68 on:** January 18, 2005, 06:12:24 PM »

Id pick the same thing the Market Leader would. Just so they wont have an advantage over me. Id rather compete vs Sony than vs Microsoft.

nemo_83 · « **Reply #69 on:** January 18, 2005, 06:56:59 PM »

Blue lasers are expensive, Nintendo's consumers are not into expensive consoles. The latest news says it is HD DVD.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #70 on:** January 18, 2005, 07:28:21 PM »

"If Blue-Ray becomes the gaming standard, and HD DVD become the Hollywood standard, how are we one step closer to the 'complete entertainment center'?"

We're not and that's a GOOD thing. I want either Sony's or Microsoft's entertainment center plans to bomb huge. The further it gets from games the worse the industry will become for those that regard gaming as an artform. As for Nintendo they'll be fine provided they're not the odd man out. If MS and Sony pick opposite formats then as long as Nintendo goes with one of those formats they're not the oddball. I agree with Savior in that going with Sony's format is the safer bet.

But I doubt Nintendo will even have Blue Ray or HD DVD movie support. Unlike DVDs these formats are not widespread enough for people to have a significant interest in them at this point and Nintendo has nothing to gain from pushing a proprietary movie format like Sony does. And the general public only recently got into DVDs. Regardless of what all these electronic companies want the general public has no need or want to replace their current movie collections. VHS lasted for decades and DVD was a huge step up so people were willing to switch. DVD is too new for people to want to drop it so soon. I figure Nintendo might put DVD support in the machine just to shut up all the people that complained about it last time but I seriously doubt they will put in anything else.

Artimus · « **Reply #71 on:** January 18, 2005, 08:14:36 PM »

If all three consoles pack-in Blu-Ray plackback you have the end of the DVD format war right there.

MattVDB · « **Reply #72 on:** January 18, 2005, 08:58:24 PM »

Lol Ian. I was back and forth with adding that line in or taking it out. That is fundamentaly a Microsoft quote, but I left it in because I felt it holds merit in the console war. I've heard it said here on this forum, that whatever the competitors put into their console, that Nintendo _needs_ to match it. Now, when I bought my cube, I really didn't think I would ever use it as a DVD player, as I have/had at that time 5 different ones, so what is one more? Well, numerous times I have found myself in situations that a DVD player built in would have come in handy. Do I hold it against them in any way? No, let that be made clear, but I think it would have been neat to have. To the average joe though, anything that claims to do the same thing, but lacks features of its competitor is looked down upon. It's how our economy works, unless people have been educated otherwise.

You doubt Nintendo will use either upcoming format, and the thought of that scares me. Almost as much as them picking the wrong of the two. The PS2 hit just as DVDs were taking off, and it took advantage of that. What's to say that won't happen again? The frequency of products? I'd buy that except for one thing: how often do you upgrade your computer? Your game console? We are in a world where products come in one door, and exit the other at a very quick rate. Just because it seems like DVDs just took off doesn't mean another format won't have the same effect in another few years.

You say, match the market leader. In a year from now though, who is that exactly? Should Nintendo really match Sony? The month of December had more Xboxes sold then PS2s, and I'm pretty sure that was the trend during Q4, not sure exactly though... Well, a year from now Microsoft will have their next system out, and will have the head start. That will make Microsoft effectively the market leader next gen, for that year at least. How long before that changes? Will Xbox2 pull a PS2 and not lose dominance? It's hard to say. (I say this not to say "Doom on Nintendo", on the contrary. I say give them more credit. They get ragged on all the time for poor choices, but which one here is the right one?)

vudu · « **Reply #73 on:** January 19, 2005, 08:14:46 AM »

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Originally posted by: ruby_onix
Thanks Mr Spillthebeans Numbers 2&3.

I really hope I'm not counted in there. I didn't do anything other than take a quick look at what format Savior prefers.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #74 on:** January 19, 2005, 08:33:46 AM »

"You say, match the market leader. In a year from now though, who is that exactly? Should Nintendo really match Sony? The month of December had more Xboxes sold then PS2s, and I'm pretty sure that was the trend during Q4, not sure exactly though... Well, a year from now Microsoft will have their next system out, and will have the head start. That will make Microsoft effectively the market leader next gen, for that year at least. How long before that changes? Will Xbox2 pull a PS2 and not lose dominance? It's hard to say."

Sony is a safer bet because they dominate in all the major game markets while MS is a total flop in Japan. North American gamers like Japanese games much more than Japanese gamers like American games. So as a result MS will never get really strong support from the major Japanese third parties which will always limit how far they can go in all markets. MS might be able to become number one in America but they can't be number one in the world. Since Nintendo cares about both the Japanese and North American market copying Sony is a safer bet. Plus just being the first one out doesn't ensure dominance. Technically the Saturn was the market leader in North America for a little while because it was the first and at the time only console available for the 32/64 bit generation. That certainly didn't do anything for them. The PS2's situation was very exceptional since the N64 and Dreamcast died very shortly after the PS2 launched so for a few months the PS2 was literally the only console available with new games coming out.

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Author Topic: Something important to know about the Revolution (Read 116956 times)