Author Topic: Are u still sure buying the DS (instead of the PSP) was a good choice? (Read 17948 times)

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #25 on:** January 05, 2005, 11:33:15 AM »

A port of OoT would be a nice bonus, but think about it...Such game would not fully use the capabilities of the DS...The only way to fully implement them is through 2d...(That and I'm sick of people looking at the Zelda series and completely ignoring the superiority of the 2d games)

DemonFox · « **Reply #26 on:** January 05, 2005, 12:00:48 PM »

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
A port of OoT would be a nice bonus, but think about it...Such game would not fully use the capabilities of the DS...The only way to fully implement them is through 2d...(That and I'm sick of people looking at the Zelda series and completely ignoring the superiority of the 2d games)

So how is a 2D Zelda gonna use 2 screens? Tell us ur master plan.

I love 2D Zelda games too and I'm pretty sure Flagship is gonna make more of them. Does anyone know if Flagship is making Zelda DS? Cuz if it is im pretty sure it will be 2D. Too bad The Minish Cap was kinda short but when I think about it it's probably my fav 2D Zelda.

But I still like the idea of a portable 3D Zelda...

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #27 on:** January 05, 2005, 01:24:44 PM »

"So how is a 2D Zelda gonna use 2 screens? Tell us ur master plan."

You know, if I were paid to think up ideas I would...

And I think the possibility of Flagship developing Zelda DS is quite high, though I assume that EAD will play an even more key role than they have in the past...

Darkheart · « **Reply #28 on:** January 05, 2005, 02:36:30 PM »

how would a 2-d zelda use 2 screens? well i thought since, in zelda 4 swords for the gamecube a gameboy was necessary to show you where you were when you left the main screen, couldnt the second screen be used to show where you were. ( in a house or a hole ) Or they can just do what bomberman is doing and just make the field of view stretch over two screens, because if you think about it bomberman is similar to zelda with its over head view.

NWR_Lindy · « **Reply #29 on:** January 05, 2005, 02:40:15 PM »

I have no problem with my purchase. I didn't expect a flood of games at the beginning anyways, and you can always buy GBA games to tide you over until the DS kicks into high gear. There's nothing on the PSP that's really interesting me right now. On the other hand, future DS games like Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Castlevania, and Super Mario Bros. really have me intrigued.

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CRAZIE_GUY · « **Reply #30 on:** January 06, 2005, 09:43:27 AM »

I already have the DS, and I have my only game is mario, the only good game in the launch lineup (thats right folks, I read reviews! No spiderman2 game- if you can call it a game- is stealing my money!). I can tell I made the right choice (DS, because of its dual screens, is the only system on the market that the Zodiac cant emulate). Nintendo was always my favorite, although i will enjoy games from any company. I think they reign because of their long lasting, lovable characters. any game carrying the mario, zelda, metroid, etc title has my money automatically (except golf, tennis, etc.) Furthermore, games that blend all their characters together, such and mariokart and especially super smash bros. are simply ingenius. the N64 carried some of the best games I've ever played, and holds at least 2 titles that have been seperately claimed as "the best video game ever!". to me, the idea of taking these games anywhere(as well as the touch screen and wireless possibilities) are mindbogeling, so I really wouldn't mind if the games were exact ports of the old ones. of course, I particularly look forward to a wireless super smash bros, as well as pokemon diamond & pearl (more for the new poke generation than for what they will incorperate for the new system). although i will probably get the PSP as well, if only for final fantasy 7. Nintendo is also the most innovative, as stated with the analog stick and the dual screen. its obvious that xbox2 and ps3 are just going to be bigger, stronger machines, but you just never know what the big N will roll next, making each generation most exciting for N fans.

ps sorry for the long message. its my first post, and ive got a lot to say

Savior · « **Reply #31 on:** January 06, 2005, 03:06:21 PM »

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Such game would not fully use the capabilities of the DS...The only way to fully implement them is through 2d...(That and I'm sick of people looking at the Zelda series and completely ignoring the superiority of the 2d games)

Not every game on the DS has to be a Four Player Wireless action game. If so then the DS is going to end up with a bunch of multiplayer only boring hack and slash fests... The DS gives developers options. if they dont want to use WIFI They shouldnt. If they dont want to fully use both screens they shouldnt. Thats why Nintend calls it the Developer System.

2D? Sure. A link to the past was superior to the Four Swords on the GCN

a 3D Zelda is happening. Nintendo already showed it can pull of 3D Ports with Mario 64 DS

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #32 on:** January 06, 2005, 03:25:14 PM »

"Not every game on the DS has to be a Four Player Wireless action game. If so then the DS is going to end up with a bunch of multiplayer only boring hack and slash fests... The DS gives developers options. if they dont want to use WIFI They shouldnt. If they dont want to fully use both screens they shouldnt. Thats why Nintend calls it the Developer System."

Hello? I was talking about the use of the touch screen...A 3d Zelda is happening in your head...Zelda DS will be an all-new 2d adventure that will implement the touch screen as well as have a multiplayer feature on the side...

1) Stop acting as if Zelda DS and Four Swords DS are two completely different titles...
2) No one ever said that Zelda DS will be multiplayer-only

All that has been confirmed is that there is ONE Zelda title in development for the DS and that it will implement the touch screen and have multiplayer, that is ALL...

Savior · « **Reply #33 on:** January 06, 2005, 03:47:16 PM »

All that has been confirmed is that there is ONE Zelda title in development for

Its been confirmed that its Four Swords in development.... not a New Zelda with some Multi player on the side.

The Touch Screen can be used as an Analog stick ala Mario, to control Bows, and boomerangs in fps mode and also to control some sort of musical instrument ...

It might be happening in my head, but i doubt Nintendo wont consider it either

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1) Stop acting as if Zelda DS and Four Swords DS are two completely different titles...

They kinda are. Four Swords is more like Gauntlet, or Phantasy Star Online than a Story Based Zelda

Zach · « **Reply #34 on:** January 06, 2005, 04:47:55 PM »

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion

All that has been confirmed is that there is ONE Zelda title in development for the DS and that it will implement the touch screen and have multiplayer, that is ALL...

Well then how are you so completly convinced that it will be 2-D? Dont get me wrong I love 2-D and 3-D zeldas. Actually the first zelda game I played was OoT but I have played LttP on the GBA and Four Swords, and loved them too, I probably will get more old of the 2-d Zeldas for my DS that I missed when they first came out. I am sure that they will be able to use the features of the DS with either 3-D or 2-D.

Doesnt really matter to me, as long as it is Zelda I will buy it.

Caillan · « **Reply #35 on:** January 06, 2005, 05:14:54 PM »

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So how is a 2D Zelda gonna use 2 screens? Tell us ur master plan.

Without putting much thought into it, a screen with the light world from ALttP and the other with the dark one sounds fine to me. Or if they went with a Minish Cap theme, one screen could show the magnified version when you are small whilst the other shows the world in normal proportions. It would also be nice if they could devote a small portion of the touch screen to selecting items; I always though the interface was pretty clumsy for the 2D Zeldas.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #36 on:** January 07, 2005, 01:16:12 AM »

I have this slight feeling Zelda DS will be 3d, first person and you use the stylus to control Link's hand. Miyamoto talked about how he wanted Zelda to be more immersive and active, where you don't press a button to pull a lever, no, you pull the lever yourself. Touch something to grab it then move it around, draw your sword and control the slashes with the touchscreen. All that wouldn't work in third person as Link would obscure your view and it would be harder to aim because of the distance. Perhaps it could have a third person view on the other screen but if it's executed well i doubt that's necessary. Also, first person would allow them to make Link more like Gordon Freeman (in an abstract sense, not orange suit and crowbar) as the avatar of the player. Not a character the player is following and controlling like a puppet but himself.

(DS, because of its dual screens, is the only system on the market that the Zodiac cant emulate)

The DS has two screens at 256x192 each, totalling 256x384. The Zodiac has one screen at 480x320. As you see, you could fit both DS screens on the Zodiac (either cutting 16 pixels from both screens or using portrait mode which would probably suck for controlling) and have enough space left to display the emulator's menu, a border, an MP3 player or whatever else you'd want to fit in there. With its huge touchscreen (beats the PSP by a nice margin) the Zodiac would actually be the perfect game machine if it wasn't for its relatively weak processor (200MHz ARM, that sounds like more than it is, the thing can't handle 3d very well and the OS is eating its share). I doubt it could emulate a DS at more than 6 frames per second. So the Zodiac can't emulate the DS, but for other reasons. Damn shame about that processor, if Tapwave threw in something at the power level of the PSP they'd have created the perfect game machine.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #37 on:** January 07, 2005, 02:21:46 AM »

"I have this slight feeling Zelda DS will be 3d, first person and you use the stylus to control Link's hand. Miyamoto talked about how he wanted Zelda to be more immersive and active, where you don't press a button to pull a lever, no, you pull the lever yourself."

I'm sorry but that would just be horrible <_<...Besides, using the touch screen in the overhead 2d-view would garner the same exact response...

DemonFox · « **Reply #38 on:** January 07, 2005, 04:34:29 AM »

LOL u all got such weird ideas...
I got a pretty good one for four swords with 2 screens. A Link underground and a Link... not-underground. For example, there's a plant growing somewhere with a lot of uhhh... water suck thingies which makes it impossible for the bottom screen Link to continue so the top screen Link can pull it out for him.
And a single player game... Well I guess u could use it for ur inventory, map and saving the game.
There's at least ONE thing they should put in a four swords game before they think of ANYTHING else. 1 gamepack, max 4 players. I had to wait a year before I could finally play four swords on the GBA cuz no one had it...

KDR_11k · « **Reply #39 on:** January 07, 2005, 08:39:23 PM »

I'm pretty sure they'll include stylus fighting. hink about it: Draw a line through the enemy and if it doesn't cross any of his defenses (weapon, shield, armor) it's a hit. When the enemy attacks you you have to parry his attack by drawing a line that crosses his attack line. This would enable them to use a hitzones system where an enemy might have only a few weak points or would react differently depending on your atack (e.g. instead of jumping at him and slashing to disarm him you need to aim for his weapon hand).

CRAZIE_GUY · « **Reply #40 on:** January 11, 2005, 09:05:08 AM »

I have a friend with a zodiac. its true that it can emulate DS. however, the screens would be small, perhaps squished, or possibly on seperate windows. as soon as i got the DS it was instantly made clear that gameplay could not be effectivly achieved on a zodiac. it is a great machine, however. as of today my friend has every NES & SNES game ever made, fully playable. hes aiming for GBA next.

Arbok · « **Reply #41 on:** January 11, 2005, 09:44:25 AM »

" I have a friend with a zodiac. its true that it can emulate DS. however, the screens would be small, perhaps squished, or possibly on seperate windows."

You are ignoring the fact that one screen is also a touch screen, which can't be emulated with a Zodiac.

You also might consider capitalizing the first word of a new sentence to make it easier for others to read.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #42 on:** January 11, 2005, 12:11:15 PM »

I can see that happening, KDR, but I don't know if it'd be in a Zelda game. Unless it was for a few particular bosses or enemies or puzzles. It could be, but for some reason I doubt it.

nickmitch · « **Reply #43 on:** January 11, 2005, 01:49:18 PM »

Isn't Nintendo cracking down on these emulators?

D-Mac Double · « **Reply #44 on:** January 11, 2005, 08:45:59 PM »

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You are ignoring the fact that one screen is also a touch screen, which can't be emulated with a Zodiac.

You are ignoring the fact that the Zodiac also has a touch-screen.

DemonFox · « **Reply #45 on:** January 12, 2005, 02:22:25 AM »

What IS a Zodiac anyway?

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #46 on:** January 12, 2005, 05:31:48 AM »

I'm guessing it's supposed to be a DS emulator.

SgtShiversBen · « **Reply #47 on:** January 12, 2005, 05:35:20 AM »

Basically the Zodiac is what the PSP is building off of. It has an analog stick but no D-Pad and is a pretty nice piece of hardware. THe only problem is it's kinda obscure and no one knows what it is. It's just a PDA with pretty good gaming abilities. Check your local CompUSA for them, if you have one.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #48 on:** January 12, 2005, 07:33:22 AM »

Yep, the Zodiac is a PDA crossed with a gaming machine. Analog stick, PDA OS and functionality, touchscreen, microphone... Basically the best parts of the DS and PSP combined, enhanced and equipped with a weak processor. Reviews say it's a decent PDA and definitely the best one for gaming but as a lesser known handheld it suffers from its lack of titles and general obscurity. It's not available in most parts of Europe and launched around christmas in the UK.

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Author Topic: Are u still sure buying the DS (instead of the PSP) was a good choice? (Read 17948 times)