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« on: February 13, 2003, 01:49:57 AM »
Mmk..Now, I'm not saying Squaresoft has ALWAYS been evil, I loved them during the SNES/ Super Famicom era..:roolness:: But..they did good in the Psone age..but..Ps2..does anyone think that they're just pulling out ideas from their older games? Or that..they aren't original? The Bouncer was a good twist but..too short. FFX seemed to be an ok game but..too much like FF4. :/ I think Square is trying to pull off some moves to get back the money that they lost creating FF The Spirits Within. It was a good movie but, not many people knew of Final Fantasy that go to see movies on a daily basis. And that surely did not make up the cost Square used to create those eye-candy graphics. But, is it possible, that Square will make a new Final Fantasy, in their final hours, like FF1? That inspired them to make such a GREAT game? Is it?! Can it be..?
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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2003, 12:08:14 PM »
I can't really offer a fair opinion on Square's latest games because I haven't played them!  But I bet that Final Fantasy X seems similar to previous games because the series has been done to death!  When you do a sequel every year or two the product is bound to get stale after a while.  I'm not saying Final Fantasy X is a bad game, in fact I guess I'm kind of defending Square...I don't think the company purposely did a bad job on Final Fantasy X, I just think the series needs a rest or a major reworking.  
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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2003, 12:18:14 PM »
let's not forget about the Square-Enix merger. Final Fantasy may be rehash, but it's certainly selling. And now that Enix is on board, Square has access to more talent (and more money). Surely this means future games will be of better quality?
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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2003, 02:05:46 PM »
"Surely this means future games will be of better quality?"

What are you talking about? Their CURRENT games are of incredible quality. That rehash FF thing was just something devised by Nintendo fanboys who were pissed they don't get FF games on their system anymore. Notice how nearly all Nintendo fans agree that the NES and SNES FF's were magnificent and FF7-10 sucked? FFX was an incredibly good RPG- certainly one of my favorites. And has anyone heard of a few little games such as Xenosaga or Chrono Cross? Chrono Cross is easily in my top 5 favorite RPG's of all time. The truth is Square make's some extremely good games that sell extremely well- Nintendo fans shouldn't get mad and attack Square just because they aren't getting those sales. Luckily we're getting Crystal Chronicles (which I doubt anyone will say is bad).

rodtod: Actually, I think Square and Enix's merger wasn't in the sense that they'd physically become one company. They may appear so in stock markets and such, but I'm pretty sure they'll still develop and release games individually. Then again, I could be wrong.
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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2003, 01:31:14 PM »
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What are you talking about? Their CURRENT games are of incredible quality.


Yeah, if you like a crap load of movies, and cutscenes out the wazoo.

I'm an avid RPG player and a long time Square fan, but FFX was a snore-fest (In the same league as MGS2 when it comes to gameplay... or lack thereof). FFX was only slightly better than FFVIII, which itself was a poor game.


I haven't played Kingdow Hearts yet, but it looks good.
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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2003, 02:13:09 PM »
Sure there's a lot of cut-scenes, but the gameplay far outweighs it. Besides, FF games, at least X, have consistently had some of the most engrossing stories. I didn't say best, but they really get you into it- Square's one of the only companies that realize this. I don't want a RPG that's just a collection of crappy puzzle-dungeons and some random battles thrown in- I play RPG's for the STORY that they tell and Square is one of the best story tellers around. I'm also an avid RPG player and FFX is easily one of my favorites. Not quite as good as Chrono Cross (I'd like to see you try to find many faults in that) and not in the same league as Earthbound, Chrono Trigger, or Grandia 2, but it IS an extremely fun RPG. The "too many movies" ploy is just a sound-bite that people squack back whenever they detect someone who doesn't agree with their view of Square.

As for Kingdom Hearts, it's INCREDIBLY good- not your most traditional RPG, which is good, and it handles the Disney license perfectly. One of my favorite PS2 games.
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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2003, 03:52:31 PM »
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Luckily we're getting Crystal Chronicles (which I doubt anyone will say is bad).

Ironically, this is the one game from Square that I fear will be really bad.  It's way too early for me to say, but the fact that you can control it with the GBA makes me fear for the quality of the game's controls.  But who knows?  I'm really happy to see Square is doing something new for Nintendo.
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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2003, 08:14:48 AM »
well, the thign is with final fantasy is the characters and stories are different in each game. They dont rely on old plotlines...but rather gameplay. Then again FFX made tons of changes.
So new plotline, new gameplay...cant be so rehashed. The only thing that turned me off of ffx was the little tiny environments you were confined to. I expected huge worlds.
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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2003, 10:21:45 AM »
Couchmonkey: You don't control FFCC with the GBA- there is a version of the game for the GBA, and although I don't know how the two will hook up, I know for a fact you use the Gamecube controller. Go read IGN's previews- they really give a lot of information on the game. Sounds like a new version of Secret of Mana, if you ask me.
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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2003, 10:41:03 AM »
mouse_clicker: I have read a few previews of the game, if you look at IGN's Ultimate Cube Connection Article,  you will see that Square has indeed claimed that GBAs can be used as controllers for FF: Crystal Chronicles.  You don't have to use them, but the fact that the game can be controlled with a d-pad makes me wonder how it will play.  
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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2003, 11:30:18 AM »
Ah, I see your reasoning now- if you CAN use the GBA, it makes you wonder just how advanced the game will be control wise. I really don't think you have to worry- it IS an RPG, afterall, which have historically required very few buttons to work well, and certainly not 9 the Gamecube controller has (control wise, SoA only uses like 5). I haven't heard any complaints about control or extreme simplicity in any impressions.
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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2003, 06:52:10 AM »
Yeah, the 'cube even doubles up a few buttons because they're not used (like shoulder buttons/c-stick, Z-button/start).  Considering that Secret of Mana, which had great gameplay, only used a few buttons on the SNES controller should be a good sign if they choose to make it gba compatible.

But it depends entirely on what makes it into the final game.  They may drop that aspect of it, or have a different version available.