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Offline Nile Boogie

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RE: More insanity from George Lucas
« Reply #50 on: June 14, 2004, 08:04:25 PM »
I like every starwars movie. I do like Empire the most with Clones running a close second I dont see the big deal. I feel you Gibdo. If you don't like don't watch. By the by, didn't GL write all 3 Indiana Jones movies? Just something you should think about when you say everything GL writes sucks. Go get some fresh air and sunshine you synical bastards!
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RE: More insanity from George Lucas
« Reply #51 on: June 14, 2004, 08:55:04 PM »
"If you don't like don't watch."

This isn't like a crappy movie that I don't have to watch.  It's a good movie made worse by changes.  I don't want to not watch, I want to watch the original movie I fell in love with.  It's not that I have to watch the special edition it's that I CAN'T watch the original.  The "don't watch" arguement is valid for the prequels but it totally doesn't apply here.

Everyone who defends these changes are selfish since your whole arguement is "well I like the changes and get what I want so I don't care if you don't get the option of the original."

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RE:More insanity from George Lucas
« Reply #52 on: June 15, 2004, 09:47:01 AM »
South Park did justice to what Lucas has been doing, my opinion anyway.

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RE:More insanity from George Lucas
« Reply #53 on: June 15, 2004, 10:30:53 AM »
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Originally posted by: Nile Boogie
Go get some fresh air and sunshine you synical bastards!


It is spelt cynical

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I think that he should release the unadulterated ones first. Let him do the directors cut separately as a cash-whore project.

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RE:More insanity from George Lucas
« Reply #54 on: June 15, 2004, 12:01:35 PM »
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"If you don't like don't watch."

This isn't like a crappy movie that I don't have to watch.  It's a good movie made worse by changes.  I don't want to not watch, I want to watch the original movie I fell in love with.  It's not that I have to watch the special edition it's that I CAN'T watch the original.  The "don't watch" arguement is valid for the prequels but it totally doesn't apply here.

Everyone who defends these changes are selfish since your whole arguement is "well I like the changes and get what I want so I don't care if you don't get the option of the original."


You've seen the original, otherwise you wouldn't be bitching about the changes.

so what the f*** are you complaining about?  its not like you've never seen it.

Your calling Me selfish?  I don't even own a VCR, theres no way in hell i could own the originals, i don't care though, cause i've seen them.  And if Lucas wants to change his own movie so that it ties in better with prequels, great for him.  I'm just glad that I can finally own SOME form of the movies, even if they arent the "original cut"

You never know, might end up better.  But not to you, of course, your going to be blinded by your "OMG ITS NOT THE ORIGINAL" mentality.  Go into something wanting it to suck, and it will suck.  Nothing he could do will change that if you think like that.
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Offline Ian Sane

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RE: More insanity from George Lucas
« Reply #55 on: June 15, 2004, 01:19:03 PM »
"You've seen the original, otherwise you wouldn't be bitching about the changes.  so what the f*** are you complaining about? its not like you've never seen it."

Uh yeah but I want to have the option to own it and watch it whenever I want.  Why is this concept so hard for people to grasp?  I mean I just saw Harry Potter 3 in theatre a few weeks back.  I've thus already seen it so hypothetically if the director decided to not release it on DVD or video I have no right to complain?  This is essentially the same thing.

I own the extended cut of the Lord of the Rings movies and I have no intention of owning the original versions because I like the extended cuts better.  Yet I'm still happy that for those that want it the original theatrical cut is also available on DVD.  Had it not been, even though it wouldn't really affect me in any way, I would be complaining about it.

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RE:More insanity from George Lucas
« Reply #56 on: June 15, 2004, 01:47:55 PM »
Syl, Ian isn't upset that Lucas is releasing the Specia Editions on DVD, he's upset that he's only releasing the Special Editions on DVD without even offering the option of buying the Originals. It's the lack of choice, not the changes made to the SE (although that makes the fact that they're not offering the Originals even worse). He's saying it's selfish of you to say "Oh, well I don't really care if you can or can't watch the originals". I completely agree with him on this- I'll still buy the SE DVD set, since it's the only one being offered, but I'm definitely not happy that we're not even being given the choice of which set to buy- Lucas is just assuming (incorrectly) that everyone wants the SE.
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RE:More insanity from George Lucas
« Reply #57 on: June 15, 2004, 03:40:56 PM »
Personally, I've never felt the SEs changed the movies that much. To me they're the sames movies, but with some cosmetic differences. It's like if someone colors a black and white movie. Sure you can argue about whether that's right or wrong, but regardless of all that it's still the same movie. I kind of see the changes he's made as just a step beyond adding 5.1 surround sound and digitally remastering the picture of a movie. It's all cosmetics to me.

There's also the fact that I've always sympathized with what George went through to make the OT and the fact that he wasn't always able to do what he wanted to do, so the idea of him being able to go back and do those things has always been cool to me.

The only changes, in my opinion, that make a serious impact on the films are Greedo shooting first, the Jabba the Hutt scene, and now Hayden playing Anakin's ghost.

The Han thing has always been weird for me, but my biggest problem, like with most of the SE stuff, was from the technical side. It just looks dumb now. I never felt this was a defining moment for the character. Whether he shoots first or not he's still a scoundrel, loner, and a bit of a jerk. Of course George's argument that Han shooting first makes him a murderer is kind of BS to me too. Even if that's the case he still redeems himself at the end of the movie by saving Luke and becoming a good guy.

The only problem I have with the Jabba scene is again with the technical. The CG Jabba they used looks like ass, but this is supposed to be remedied on the DVD versions.

My opinion of Hayden playing Anakin's ghost is still up in the air at this point. If George has a good solid reason for doing it, then it's fine by me. I never had any special attachment to Shaw, and he's still in the only scene in which he had dialog anyway.

By the way, I was reading a really great interview at filmforce.ign.com with Gary Kurtz who produced A New Hope and Empire, and he explained what the problem is with George's writing and directing. Basically, George's background in film is documentary, so his style of writing and directing is fairly cold and emotionless. This of course explains why the mood in Menace is so serious and boring and why the acting is so wooden.

Also George didn't write the A New Hope script completely by himself. The Huycks, who wrote the script for Temple of Doom, added a lot of the warmth and humor that we see in the movie.
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RE:More insanity from George Lucas
« Reply #58 on: June 15, 2004, 04:53:39 PM »
To me, it would be like me rewriting any great book.  Say sea wolf, substitute my lack of caring with hump, wolf, and maud, and that's about what I think lucas has done to his movies.  It's still esentially the same, but you would lose a lot of the subtle things that make it a great movie (not just a story.)

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RE: More insanity from George Lucas
« Reply #59 on: June 15, 2004, 05:49:01 PM »
Even  J.R.R Tolkien made changes to The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings after they were initially published. He made the most changes to The Hobbit so it would be more consistent with Rings and to remove a lot of the fairytale type stuff inorder to insert more of his own mythology. The changes to Rings were mainly gramatical, but he also corrected some of the history and I believe changed one or two of the minor characters name's. Oh, and you can't get the original versions anymore, either.

I'm not necessarily arguing that it's the right thing do to here, but just that George is definitely not the first person to do this sort of thing. In fact I'm sure it wouldn't be that hard to write a large book about famous artists and changes they made to their famous works over time. Hmm, that would actually be a pretty interesting book.

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