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Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
« Reply #50 on: August 26, 2014, 12:43:15 AM »
again just because they aren't important to everyone, or even you personally, doesn't mean there isn't a portion of the population that they are important to. Also even though the media features of PS4 are not on par with PS3, they STILL beat the media features of Wii U so to those consumers looking to upgrade it might not be a DEAL breaker but it would be a value added factor. Price conscious consumers actually make up way more of the segment than you are realizing, most people don't spend $3-400 on an impulse buy. They are going to have to evaluate every little detail. Many are looking at Wii U and seeing that for what you get COMPARED to to what the competition offers the gap is too wide. Even if you don't need a blu ray player or a streaming device right now, if someone was on the fence and their only concern was just the games they have to decide whats more important Nintendo only games or having a strong library with major growth potential. Right now the PS4 is getting games announced left and right, where as Wii U is getting games canceled in nearly equal numbers.

The topic why did Call of Duty not sell enough to stick around. Go back to Game Cube and sales were low but not so low as to lose this much 3rd party support. Even N64 still had the big FPS shooters of the day. So losing that market, the largest segment of the market currently, is a BAD sign. You cannot have a discussion as to why Wii U is failing without discussing its shortcoming. I get it you can over look those but **** man either you must be rich or you just love Nintendo so much you don't care. If you rich and money isn't an object to you then fine you are out of touch with reality there is nothing I can do about that, I am sure every Neo Geo owner was scratching their heads why everyone didn't take out a second mortage to but that game console too whereas regular working class folks were eating up the sub $150 SNES/Genesis consoles.

The market has changed, game consoles have evolved since the PS2 era to be more than just game players. Saying Wii U is multimedia is like saying the GBA is multimedia because Nickelodeon released some videos on it. Bull ****, it streams Netflix and a few other popular apps streams that is it does not play any video, or audio natively from what I can tell so it is an internet streaming capable device NOT a multimedia device. Even if it could play discs, DVD or Blu Ray, right that would not matter to the market at large someone on the fence would not suddenly be over the line, unless they were in the market for a new player anyways or they were looking for additional features to add value to their purchase. Normally in a game console value added is achieved by released more games to the library, with Wii U that is not happening the library is increasing but too slowly to really grow the user base.

If someone was just shopping for their family and wanted to consider all options a sales person IS going to point out that the other two do things Wii U does not do, same as when they were selling Wii. Those consumers are going to ask why the Wii U is so much money compared to a 360 that does MORE or a PS3 that has a stronger library of comparable games? Wii U is a damn hard sell. Wii was different because it was pretty much a fad that took the world by storm and then fizzled out. Wii U is not a fad it is a dud it might not be their worst dud in history but it is a dud nonetheless. Even if One is more of a dud doesn't make it less of one either. I am not trashing the damn console nor the fans just pointing out that it still is a damn hard sell and if I was wrong the fucking thing would not be in the mess it is if lack of games was the ONLY issue because as we have pointed to the N64 did NOT have that problem and its library was as pitiful, in terms of numbers, as you can find on a console. Even Saturn had a more robust library in terms of numbers/variety but N64 sold on quality only why can't Wii U do that? Because the world has changed, people want their technology to do more and even if Wii U does more than Wii it still does LESS than 360/PS3 and even less than PS4 and the One even if they do less (currently, Sony says that will all change in near future) still they do MORE than Wii U does at the moment.


It might not matter to YOU but to the guy who recently bought a 4K television it matters to them buying a entertaiment machine that can give them access to 4K content. Even if they are a small segment of the market, it is still possible there could be more of them than pure loyalists to Nintendo, there is no way of knowing except when someone says that it an issue to them you either take their word for it or you don't. You might not see it here, on a Nintendo fansite, you might not even see it on IGN or general purpose video game sites, but I assure you read the Blu Ray forums or AVForum or any forum devoted to technology, home video, 4K or any of the like and PS4 is mentioned as the device to get, again like Ps3 and PS2 before it, there will be a segment of the greater market who buy the machines for media features and games second, even if they only buy one or two games a year they still add to the hardware numbers and companies will see that.

Now you can't really say one way or the other if Wii U would sell better if it was less money or it also played Blu Ray discs but you can say for sure that the more it's competitors do the harder it is to justify it based on games alone when the games are few and far between. What you can say for sure as long as there are people who claim that as their reason or a contributing reason you have to at least assume for them it is a valid reason. Currently Wii U is equal to Dreamcast, better than last gen not quite next gen it the market has largely rejected it. Can it recover? I doubt it, this is only the second console in recent history to LOSE EA support and the first to ever lose Activision so we are somewhat in uncharted territory even for Nintendo.

Also there is going to be a portion of the market watching it fail who know if they hold out for a little while longer it will be discounted as it is clearanced out, with each big game getting canceled that is just one more headline that will make someone who is waiting even more skeptical and those who have bet on the wrong horse in the past, especially Sega fans, will be even more skeptical because they have been there they see the writing on the wall.
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Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
« Reply #51 on: August 26, 2014, 12:26:25 PM »
I figure if the Wii U is going to be missing multimedia features that the other guys have then the price has to really reflect that and it just isn't a big enough difference to matter.  Based on the lack of features and outdated specs the Wii U comes across as overpriced compared to the PS4.  It's like how the Gamecube didn't have DVD playback.  It was cheaper without it but not so much cheaper that it really mattered.  They're tried that strategy three times and it has failed twice so give it up and just match the price and features.

Besides Nintendo's pricing never feels like a deal.  They'll cut something that cost $100 and lower the price by $50.  I'm not an idiot.  Nintendo doesn't cheap out to give me a better deal but to give themselves a higher profit margin.

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Re: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to Wii U.
« Reply #52 on: August 26, 2014, 04:26:57 PM »
I figure if the Wii U is going to be missing multimedia features that the other guys have then the price has to really reflect that and it just isn't a big enough difference to matter.  Based on the lack of features and outdated specs the Wii U comes across as overpriced compared to the PS4.  It's like how the Gamecube didn't have DVD playback.  It was cheaper without it but not so much cheaper that it really mattered.  They're tried that strategy three times and it has failed twice so give it up and just match the price and features.

Besides Nintendo's pricing never feels like a deal.  They'll cut something that cost $100 and lower the price by $50.  I'm not an idiot.  Nintendo doesn't cheap out to give me a better deal but to give themselves a higher profit margin.




In no way was the GameCube or Wii overpriced for what they offered. While I agree it would have been nice to have a dvd player in the GC, by the time the Wii hit, it was a moot point. I do however agree that the WiiU should have Blu-ray play back, but I never expected it to be.  The WiiU has more than enough other media feature to satisfy 75% of their intended market. As a father, Netflix/youtube on the gamepad is the work of the almighty and should be praised as such. 


Wasn't the Wii the #1 Netflix device in the world at some point?
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Re: COD: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to WiiU (after pg 2. nobody cares)
« Reply #53 on: August 26, 2014, 04:52:00 PM »
But interestingly enough the PS3 has always been the premier device with the best experience for Netflix.
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Re: COD: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to WiiU (after pg 2. nobody cares)
« Reply #54 on: August 26, 2014, 05:02:41 PM »
Really? I never noticed a real difference in the 2, save for HD of course. What were the main differences?

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Re: COD: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to WiiU (after pg 2. nobody cares)
« Reply #55 on: August 26, 2014, 05:39:28 PM »
Really? I never noticed a real difference in the 2, save for HD of course. What were the main differences?
In general the PS3 version of Netflix gets the experiments first.

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I'm fairly sure all those were first on the PS3.  It is Netflix so UI wise they try to keep it consistent so its about the same as all the others.
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Re: COD: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to WiiU (after pg 2. nobody cares)
« Reply #56 on: August 26, 2014, 06:46:20 PM »
Really? I never noticed a real difference in the 2, save for HD of course. What were the main differences?
In general the PS3 version of Netflix gets the experiments first.

SuperHD
3D
Max
Dolby 5.1

I'm fairly sure all those were first on the PS3.  It is Netflix so UI wise they try to keep it consistent so its about the same as all the others.


And none of those thing were even possible on wii. WiiU got SuperHD at the same time, not sure bout the rest.

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Re: COD: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to WiiU (after pg 2. nobody cares)
« Reply #57 on: August 26, 2014, 09:01:51 PM »
Wii U could do 3D, but not Dolby 5.1 (unless you consider Pro Logic II) since there is no digital audio output, I don't think Wii was ever the #1 system for Netflix though, it's pretty much always been PS3.
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Re: COD: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to WiiU (after pg 2. nobody cares)
« Reply #59 on: August 26, 2014, 10:39:41 PM »
Can't the WiiU do 5.1 over HDMI? I don't think WiiU Games support Dolby pro logic II. The logo is nowhere to be found on the back of any physical game I own.(12) It appears Nintendo didn't deem it necessary to pay for any extra fee time around.

Edit* Maybe since the Wii is built-in and had Pro Logic 2 there was no need to pay for the licensing agreement again but I don't know.
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Re: COD: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to WiiU (after pg 2. nobody cares)
« Reply #60 on: August 26, 2014, 10:40:04 PM »
No one likes COD anyway, :rolleyes:
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Re: COD: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to WiiU (after pg 2. nobody cares)
« Reply #61 on: August 27, 2014, 04:11:33 PM »
Yes, HDMI can carry audio DD5.1, hell it has enough bandwidth to carry True HD audio and the WII U uses PCM 5.1 uncompressed.  The ugly--most headphones don't support PCM 5.1 and hell most receivers don't unless they are up to Dolby TrueHD support. 

The WII U is capable of using PL2, but it's locked in WII Mode only to avoid paying Lucas Arts royalities.  MS did something similar back during the Xbox launch where DVD playback was blocked and you had to buy an remote to access it.



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Re: COD: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to WiiU (after pg 2. nobody cares)
« Reply #62 on: August 27, 2014, 04:49:03 PM »
Of course it's possible over HDMI, but again Nintendo cheaped out and didn't want to pay for licensing. So, no Dolby 5.1 on Wii U unless you count PL2 and it actually works in Wii Mode - my assumption would be that it does not - does it?
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