Topic: COD: Advanced Warfare NOT coming to WiiU (after pg 2. nobody cares)

[BranDonk Kong]

But then they'll get you all back with the Wii Wii. There aren't that many people to piss off though - Wii U is at less than 7 million consoles worldwide, that's like 7% of the Wii userbase, and probably 2/3 of that 7% wouldn't care. Honestly, getting out of the console business and only doing handhelds and third party games would probably be best for them now.

[marvel_moviefan_2012]

Nintendo needs to keep supporting the Wii U to make sure the kind of people who bought it early on (us) don't get too pissed off, because if the successor is going to be successful they need their biggest fans (us again) to be onboard from day one. If they abandon it now, they'll get a lot less early support for the Wii V.

I think it is safe to assume the fans who are not interested in Wii U FAR outnumber those who bought it on fiath alone. it would do them GOOD to go after a larger fanbase that still loves their games but want more than what Wii U offers.

[NWR_insanolord]

They need more than the people who bought a Wii U, but they can't succeed without them. It takes a special kind of insanity to buy a game console at launch and Nintendo needs their die-hards to be there from the start.

[Nile Boogie Returns]

It's not the console business that Nintendo should abandon, it's Nintendo's Console Business Plan. If the Wii U was slightly less powerful than an Ps4 instead of slightly more powerful than a PS3 and came with the GamePad then we would not be having this discussion (most likely). This is coming from someone who thinks the WiiU Lineup absolutely craps on both other systems but for how long?




Not having GTA, Destiny, COD, or MADDEN this holiday hurts. Bayo and Smash ain't chopped liver but it won't turn the tide. Unless Smash goes "viral" and I don't see that happing.




Those of you who think moving on to the next wii "x" is a good idea, I ask you one question: Who's going to buy it?

[NWR_insanolord]

The Wii U would've made a lot more sense if it had come out in 2010, or even 2011. A minor bump from existing systems could work if you gave it more than a year's head start on the competition's next consoles. Nintendo releasing a somewhat better version of the PS4/XBO in 2016 would allow them to do it without too much cost but give third parties more of a reason to learn to make games for it since it'd still likely be several years until Sony and Microsoft have any desire to move on.

[Ian Sane]

Those of you who think moving on to the next wii "x" is a good idea, I ask you one question: Who's going to buy it?

Do you mean who will buy it if Nintendo's moves on relatively soon or who will buy a Wii U successor at any time? 

Though if the PS4 builds up enough of a userbase and the timing is such that that is the Wii U successor's main competition then it will be pretty hard.  They would benefit the best from timing it where people are ready for a new gen but that's pretty far off.  It would sell with someone like me who is a historical Nintendo fan that does not like the Wii U's concept and doesn't want to support it but would support a different Nintendo console but I don't know how many Nintendo fans are just waiting for Nintendo to offer a product they want.

In regards to offending existing Wii U owners, I'd argue that those are the most loyal fans that will probably put up with almost anything.  I think Nintendo just needs to release some sort of half-decent game in one of their long running series and current Wii U owners won't have the willpower to resist.  Like you'll be mad but mad enough that you'll willingly miss out on a new Mario, Zelda or Metroid?  Families that bought it where the parents forked up the dough and aren't fans will probably be the ones turned off but Nintendo nuts will be back.

Of course with the amount of time it will take to get a successor ready several years will have gone by and the Wii U will probably be at least four years old.

[NWR_insanolord]

After the massive early price drop for 3DS and the way Wii U has gone, I think Nintendo would be foolish to assume all those people will be willing to buy another Nintendo system on faith.

[UncleBob]

Hey, look.  Another Call of Duty game I won't be buying.

[marvel_moviefan_2012]

A massive price drop helped the Game Cube but that doesn't look like it's on the tables at this point. Maybe next year but if sales are down that low then they have bigger problems to worry about.

[BranDonk Kong]

Price drop, fire sale, tomato, tomato.

[Nile Boogie Returns]

The biggest problem I see with WiiU is xboxone! Nintendo seems content standfast until they are firmly in either 2nd or 3rd place. No moves, no price cut or new colors, nothing that old Nintendo would have done to improve sales. I think Nintendo thinks that they are OK.

 A lot is riding on smash, kart and amiibo.

[NWR_insanolord]

I don't think the price is the main problem. They could cut it to $200 and I doubt sales would improve that much without better software support. I think they'll keep the price where it is, allow Smash and the back catalog to sell what it will this holiday, then maybe a price cut in early 2015.

[marvel_moviefan_2012]

I don't think the price is the main problem. They could cut it to $200 and I doubt sales would improve that much without better software support. I think they'll keep the price where it is, allow Smash and the back catalog to sell what it will this holiday, then maybe a price cut in early 2015.

You only say that because you already have one, shut up already price IS a big deal it is to me, it is to a lot of people if it wasn't we wouldn't keep bringing it up. Also to keep this back to the point, I WILL get one once Splatoon, Toad, and Hyrule Warriors are all out especially if the price drops because BY THEN there will be enough games to justify it when you take into account the BC so I can grabbed a handful of Wii games I might have missed, but until then its not worth it to pay next gen prices for last gen games.

[nickmitch]

Amiibo doesn't seem like it's designed to sell systems.  Seems more like it's designed to milk the existing base.

A lot is riding on Smash and hopefully its supporting cast of Bayonetta, Hyrule Warriors, and Sonic Boom will move consoles.

[NWR_insanolord]

I don't think the price is the main problem. They could cut it to $200 and I doubt sales would improve that much without better software support. I think they'll keep the price where it is, allow Smash and the back catalog to sell what it will this holiday, then maybe a price cut in early 2015.

You only say that because you already have one, shut up already price IS a big deal it is to me, it is to a lot of people if it wasn't we wouldn't keep bringing it up. Also to keep this back to the point, I WILL get one once Splatoon, Toad, and Hyrule Warriors are all out especially if the price drops because BY THEN there will be enough games to justify it when you take into account the BC so I can grabbed a handful of Wii games I might have missed, but until then its not worth it to pay next gen prices for last gen games.

I didn't say the price wasn't an issue, I said it wasn't the main issue. Just making it cheaper would sell some units, but the software library needs to improve if there's any chance of moving real numbers. Smash and the holiday will give it a decent bump, regardless of whether it's $300 or $250, so I doubt it would make a ton of sense for Nintendo to drop it before then.

[Nile Boogie Returns]

Its more perception over price from where I stand. Folks have no problem shelling out almost 2x as much money for an Xboxone with a Library of games that are marginally better than its last gen counterpart. The people who've purchased an XBOXONE/PS4 in the the last year are doing it based not only on its current value but also on its futures return.


marvel_moviefan_2012
I WILL get one once Splatoon, Toad, and Hyrule Warriors are all out especially if the price drops because BY THEN there will be enough games to justify it when you take into account the BC so I can grabbed a handful of Wii games I might have missed, but until then its not worth it to pay next gen prices for last gen games."


This is the whole point. By all accounts, most people don't think the wii U is worth it at any price or there would be more than 7million sold worldwide 3months before its 3rd holiday on the market. It has a number of diverse titles that have garnered much acclaim yet these games are not pushing units because of the price of the system nor the quality of the game.

TROPICAL FREEZE IS AN AWESOME GAME ON A SYSTEM THATS $100-200 cheaper than its competitors. WHO CARES, if the overall narrative of the console is as negative as it is. Make no mistake, this has been the most vocal, anti-Nintendo hate parade I have ever seen. From the name to the gamepad to the specs to the lack of 3rd part support (all valid points) the systems has been trying to ice skate up hill since launch. That is Nintendo's fault for not seeing the passion of the current and near future markets.


So no Call of Duty, Destiny and GTAV may not be a big deal to Nintendo Fans per se, but there are TENS of Millions of folks who see that and think that the system wouldn't be worth it, even at half the selling price.

[NWR_insanolord]

People are a lot more confident in the futures of the PS4 and Xbox One than that of the Wii U. It doesn't matter if the Wii U has a better lineup of games that are out now if everyone thinks there's barely a year left in the Wii U's life and 5 or 6 for the others.

[marvel_moviefan_2012]

People are a lot more confident in the futures of the PS4 and Xbox One than that of the Wii U. It doesn't matter if the Wii U has a better lineup of games that are out now if everyone thinks there's barely a year left in the Wii U's life and 5 or 6 for the others.

I mostly agree but again those consoles do WAY MORE than just play video games, even if the media features can be had elsewhere, having an all in one player verses one that does a little is a big difference to many people too. I picked up my PS3 when I did partly because the price was finally reasonable, the library was solid, and I was in the market for a new Blu Ray player *and* needed a new streaming media player to replace my Roku that crapped out on me. The PS3 was a damn bargain considering all it does.

The problem is Nintendo gamers see Wii U as a games console, and see Ps4 and One as ONLY games consoles whereas most people see them as entertainment machines that also play video games. Even general web browsing is superior at least from what I gather, It sure as hell is much better on PS3 than it was on Wii anyways. Again for an extra hundred bucks you don't just get a next gen console with five or so years of potential, you also get a full featured 3D Ultra HD Blu Ray Player that can also watch movies in 4K, all not major selling points to the majority but big enough future proof investments for the techies who also buy these machines who could give a rats ass they play video games. I speak from experience, go to the Blu Ray forum people there worship Blu Ray they live and die buy it and most of them swear their PS3 purchase was based entirely on it being the absolute best blu ray player out there, even by most standards it still is pretty damn good. Put the PS4 up to that crowd and they are likely to switch especially the ones interested in 4K.

That is the big picture, Wii U is a game console, the other two are entertainment consoles. Now when discussing the future of the One you have to bring Steam Machine into the mix as that could disrupt the whole Xbox culture, who knows. But Nintendo is the *last* of the dedicated games only consoles. YES Sony put games first  with PS4 to win back some of the fickle gamers, but they still made it a damn good media machine, which consequently was WHY I was interested in the first place as games are well non-existant there too but you can do more with it to remove some of that cognitive dissonence that comes with buying an over priced underpowered less than full featured machine. Nintendo HAS to sell Wii U on games alone because that is all they have, nobody gives a **** it streams Netflix what electronics device out there doesn't do that?

[NWR_insanolord]

Just talking media functionality, the PS4 is currently inferior to its predecessor by a good margin. Xbox One does a pretty good job of it from what I've seen, but it isn't selling nearly as well as PS4 so I doubt the media stuff's a huge factor in it for a lot of people.

[BranDonk Kong]

Wii U is an "entertainment console" just as much as the other two - aside from Nintendo being to cheap to license DVD and Blu Ray playback, it just isn't nearly as popular so companies like Twitch and HBO aren't wasting their time with it. It has Netflix, Amazon Video, Hulu Plus, video chat, Tii Vii and YouTube.

Lets stop with the "it's a dedicated game console" stuff and not even pretend like that would be a good thing anyway. If Wii U launched 2 years earlier and included Blu Ray playback it would probably be in a very good position right now.

[Nile Boogie Returns]

By the way, Amazon Instant Video has HBOGO* so that's a solid work around to get it on the WiiU. Although the AIV app is slow as ****.


*Edit: It's not HBOGO its HBO NOW, it lacks the Current movies and shows but it has the archives.

[BranDonk Kong]

Right. So it's basically terrible. I tried it. And yes, the Amazon Video app is horrible, but the service is pretty terrible too.

[NWR_insanolord]

It has the whole HBO back catalog except the last three years, so The Wire and The Sopranos and a ton of other good stuff is available through it. If I didn't also have access to HBO Go I'd use that a lot.

[BranDonk Kong]

No non-HBO movies either...and it will (apparently) always be three years behind on TV shows. It seems that its basic function is to get people to order HBO.

[Ian Sane]

The price has been affordable to me since day one.  The reason I don't have one is because I don't feel the Wii U has any future.  Because of it's similarities to the Wii, it's also not the type of product I want from Nintendo.  A price cut to convince me to buy it at this point would have to be clearance bin levels.  I'm not waiting for a lower price, I just don't want the damn thing period.  It has to be "eh, why not?" pricing.  At this exact moment the Wii U's lineup is better than the other guys'.  So the reason that the PS4 is selling well is likely based on potential and I think the general view of the Wii U is that it has none.  To combat that Nintendo would have to change public perception and a price cut won't do that.

In regards to Nintendo fans not having blind faith for the next gen if the Wii U dies too soon, I don't see how the Wii U limping on in years of irrelevance makes much of a difference.  So the next Nintendo console launches and you think "last time I trusted them they canned the console early".  Is that any better or worse than "the last time I trusted them the console was a bust that had squat for third party support and never caught on with consumers"?  Both ways the console is a dud and no matter what the next Nintendo console will have to fight against consumer prejudice of it also being a console with no future.  I figure either of those scenarios would keep a Nintendo fan from jumping in on blind faith again or neither would (ie: almost nothing would).  Next time around, unless Nintendo really blows everyone away at E3 and other pre-launch showings, only the most loyal Nintendo fans would blindly jump in again.  If you're the type that would be discouraged or at least become cautious, from one of those scenarios the other would have the same effect.