Great posts Couch, in regards to the traditional becoming non-games and vice versa, you do have a point. Really since the SNES generation traditional games have been pretty much left in the dust, aka 2-D platformers, overhead RPGs, and other games. That is why I think it is fair to argue that games like Mario 64 are not traditional, they were revamping and reimagining new ways to play games. With Mario 64 we seen a shift from 2D games that could usually be beaten in one setting to a complex game in a 3D enviroment that was built around multiple plays to complete it. It is basic evolution of gaming and Wii is possibly that next step in evolution.