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Nintendo Gaming / Zelda is dead

« on: June 30, 2003, 09:20:50 AM »

I'm sorry but I'm starting to agree... I have been a Zelda fan for nearly ever... but Majora's Mask, well, wasn't worthy of the name "Zelda", and Wind Waker was fun, interesting and kept my attention... HOWEVER, I don't really like the direction Wind Waker is pointing too, I'm hoping that Gannon isn't really dead, I guess I can live without Hyrule... I have a feeling in one form or another eventually Death Mountain will return.

Hyrule and Gannon are what make Zelda console games... the GB ones are better off set in other places and make good sidequests.. I'm not for sure if I believe Gannon is really gone... I mean that would be like the chances of Mario killing off Bowser for good, it's just not Nintendo's style.. my guess is the next major Zelda or the one after it will be kind of like LttP, you think the boss is the Wizard in LttP then it turns out to be Gannnon, they might try to pull something similar... if not and Gannon/Hyrule are really gone...

(cries in corner, slaps himself, and recomposes himself..)

It just wouldn't be right.. again it would be like Mario without Bowser, TRUE it was pulled off beautifully in Mario RPG for SNES, and they might be able to do something  like that with Zelda, who knows I guess.

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Nintendo Gaming / Zelda 3 Music video?

« on: June 29, 2003, 07:14:20 PM »

I was at one of the Rpg Maker 2000/2003 sites I go to, and host my games when I saw in one of there recent news articles when I saw a link to download a music video for Zelda 3, the words are in Japanese and all the actors are Japanese... but if your in the mood to watch something.. interesting... take the time to download the music video.


Get it here:

http://archives.rpginfinity.com/news/zelda_music_video

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Nintendo Gaming / I just beat WW less than six minutes ago... (Spoilers, maybe?)

« on: June 28, 2003, 04:46:05 PM »

I'll most likely get the sequel, that's not in question, however, I'm sorry but I'm not expecting much more than another gaiden, like Majora's Mask... that tends to be the most effective style for Zelda games, anymore, and if they do decide to continue on the actual story and not just another sidestory (gaiden) I don't think it will turn out very good... not enough time on the developing board.

I don't expect another real Zelda game for a few years and it will probably be on the next generation Nintendo console. I was thinking about Sega... you suppose Nintendo will ever suffer the same fate in the future... it seems inevitable as Nintendo is falling further and further in both sales (in comparision to PS2 and XBox) and reputation since the age of the N64. I liked a FEW N64 games but it was a failure in comparision to the SNES or NES... but Gamecube has potential for regaining Nintendo's reputation. Sorry, this is a little bit off topic... (hmm... a Zelda game on the PS(x), x for whatever version, that would be very strange, or Mario on XBox...)

I've always been a Nintendo fan.. I have every Nintendo system and that's it... the only other system I have is the Sega Genesis, and that I got in 1999 for $13. So I'm a Nintendo fan... only bought the Gamecube for 2 reasons:


     1.) Zelda! I've been hooked since the begining of time... or damn near.
     2.) It's cheapest, and I'm an old and loyal Nintendo Fan...

Also, a bit more on topic... I'm not so positive that Orcarina of Time is the first occurance of Link.. I mean if you think about it Link is always in defense of Hyrule, Zelda, the Triforce, or something... so it makes sense he might have had many incarnations way before Orcarina.. who knows. Maybe Ganondorf from Orcarina isn't the first Ganon, we will never know.

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Nintendo Gaming / Gannondorf is Half-Hyilian?

« on: June 21, 2003, 04:31:22 AM »

Well if you believe the creators, the storylines of the Zelda games do connect, however, I don't believe they will ever reveal how unless maybe the whole Zelda series ends... other than that I guess it is best to just enjoy the games and not pay attention to the rest. (or believe what you want and don't spend your time arguing it to others... lol)

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Nintendo Gaming / I just beat WW less than six minutes ago... (Spoilers, maybe?)

« on: June 21, 2003, 04:27:43 AM »

Yes, I know I'm not the best at typing, I don't pay enough attention and write way to quickly....

As far as writting type, I generally write fantasy fiction and I don't do fan fictions, I just pick up ideas and go from there, generally. My closest example of style of writing would be Robert Jordon's "Wheel of Time" style.

Also, as far as gramatics go, I speak english as a second language, not a primary, so that explains it for the most part.

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Nintendo Gaming / I just beat WW less than six minutes ago... (Spoilers, maybe?)

« on: June 21, 2003, 04:25:11 AM »

Yes, I know I'm not the best at typing, I don't pay enough attention and write way to quickly....

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Nintendo Gaming / Here's an obvious question that I haven't seen answered.

« on: June 14, 2003, 09:19:37 AM »

I agree that Gannondorf was around in Hyrule hiding for sometime, and some on the surface, but I don't however think he was completly Gannon, because how could Gannondorf have escaped? He probably couldn't have without aid, yet it is possible from other Zeldas for Gannon to make himself a shade, so the Gannondorf in WW might have been trying to completly free himself from his imprisonment.

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Nintendo Gaming / Gannondorf is Half-Hyilian?

« on: June 12, 2003, 03:22:50 PM »

I'm not sure whether I agree, things seem to fit together relatively well, even though were not positive on how. Also, Shigeru Miyamoto himself said that they have a kind of master script that tells how each game fits together, their order, ect. However, he also said that they pay little attention to this guide in the making of the actual Zelda games. So there is an order, will they ever release it? Or will the games eventually let us know? I'm not for sure. If you would like to see the article where he said it, I will be happy and try to track it back down, though I couldn't tell you where I read it, I do know that somewhere in my temp files it will give me the record on the site's name.

(Maybe I will post the link here latter)

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Nintendo Gaming / Here's an obvious question that I haven't seen answered.

« on: June 12, 2003, 03:17:19 PM »

The older Zeldas, if they even fit into order at all, happen after WW, therefore, how did Gannondorf break out? Um... he didn't. Yah sure, you beat him in Windwaker and all, but the Zelda series has a habit for doing this kind of thing, what kind of thing? Giving Gannon a shade or temporary form. "Gannondorf" from Windwaker is most likely just a shade or part of the true Gannon. Most likely "Gannondorf", now just a part of the real Gannon, was working to release Gannon from his prison, which would make sense on what exactly he was after.


I could be wrong, who will ever know?

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Nintendo Gaming / Gannondorf is Half-Hyilian?

« on: June 08, 2003, 07:37:16 PM »

(Some Spoilers)





I believe that IF LttP does really come after Windwaker, it is the land that Tetra and Link set out to find at WW's end, of course it is renamed Hyrule, which might make sense considering LttP's made doesn't hardly resemble OoT's Hyrule.

I could go into a big creative speil, however, I will refrain....

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Nintendo Gaming / The winds brought the same thing...Death. (Spoilers warning)

« on: June 08, 2003, 07:33:31 PM »

I believe that Tetra's mother, who was most likely also named Zelda (it is the family tradition I guess...), probably hide among the pirates and when she died Tetra stayed with them, or maybe the Pirates are the desendants of the remaining Hylian Guard, who knows?

I don't know if the REAL Zelda is alive or not (who ever knows with Zelda series) but Tetra is not the OoT Zelda, of course, she just has the same real name, since most likely Tetra is not her true birthname. She is just a desendant whom is also connected to the Triforce of Wisdom, possibly she is like Link, who is Link Reborn, maybe she is Zelda Reborn? I don't really know, of course.

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Nintendo Gaming / I just beat WW less than six minutes ago... (Spoilers, maybe?)

« on: June 08, 2003, 07:30:18 PM »

If not all of this applies to this topic still, well it is the same as I posted in "the makers of the master sword?"
since in that post the same conversation is basically going on, and it is also in reply to Hostile Creation:
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If I was to dig back far enough and confuse the hell out of most of you, I could think back to Cymraeg (Wales), the Welsh supposedly fought a long war with their Celtic brethern who eventually came to take parts of Cymraeg, however, historians now have uncovered that the "war" wasn't much of one since little resistance was met and was easily crushed, now Zelda's "Imprisoning War" might be the same kind of inciddent, history exagerates itself, especially since LttP probably took place 200-500 years after Orcarina. (WW Link is not the LttP Link).

Also, I think that there is some connection to the old games, however, I do agree with you, Hostile Creation, but I think the definite timeline we can see started with LttP, OoT, MM, and WW, I don't believe the GB games are relavent, either, nor do I neccesarily think AoL and LoZ are part of the plot. However, OoT went out of its way in many points, sometimes subtle to brush back up things from LttP, if not any earlier, since LttP was the rebirth of Zelda, since AoL was kind of its death, I think the true timeline is probably OoT, MM, WW, and LttP, I do think Link to the Past fits well into the timeline, if not perfectly. I do at the same time think LttP was a remake of LoZ pretty much. It does seem to me though that OoT would be predeccessor to LttP.

Like you said, I could be wrong too, but I don't believe in multiple coincidences and since I've been a Zelda fan since well, LoZ, I think I've seen to many coincidences to believe that the games don't have any order, at least LttP, OoT, MM, and WW have an order.

By the way, history has a tendency to be inacurate, that could be why LttP said the master sword was created in OoT, since think back to what legends the Egyptians passed and what we thought, well some of this has changed with today's tech. Too far back to be relavent? Think the knights day, some things and images, tales, etc. we have of the Knight's age are entirely inacurate yet most people don't know better. For instance, until recently "honor and respect, romance and courage" were best believed to sum up the Knight's age, now we kind of know better. I've said my piece.

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So you know, Hostile Creation, its not that I don't agree with you about only OoT, MM, and WW being part of the storyline, I just like to consider all possible sides of the situation, and bring up points, even if I don't agree with them at all, why? I'm a writter, doesn't that explain enough? (lol)


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Rymir Feldur  

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Nintendo Gaming / The makers of the Master Sword?

« on: June 08, 2003, 07:27:12 PM »

If I was to dig back far enough and confuse the hell out of most of you, I could think back to Cymraeg (Wales), the Welsh supposedly fought a long war with their Celtic brethern who eventually came to take parts of Cymraeg, however, historians now have uncovered that the "war" wasn't much of one since little resistance was met and was easily crushed, now Zelda's "Imprisoning War" might be the same kind of inciddent, history exagerates itself, especially since LttP probably took place 200-500 years after Orcarina. (WW Link is not the LttP Link).

Also, I think that there is some connection to the old games, however, I do agree with you, Hostile Creation, but I think the definite timeline we can see started with LttP, OoT, MM, and WW, I don't believe the GB games are relavent, either, nor do I neccesarily think AoL and LoZ are part of the plot. However, OoT went out of its way in many points, sometimes subtle to brush back up things from LttP, if not any earlier, since LttP was the rebirth of Zelda, since AoL was kind of its death, I think the true timeline is probably OoT, MM, WW, and LttP, I do think Link to the Past fits well into the timeline, if not perfectly. I do at the same time think LttP was a remake of LoZ pretty much. It does seem to me though that OoT would be predeccessor to LttP.

 Like you said, I could be wrong too, but I don't believe in multiple coincidences and since I've been a Zelda fan since well, LoZ, I think I've seen to many coincidences to believe that the games don't have any order, at least LttP, OoT, MM, and WW have an order.

By the way, history has a tendency to be inacurate, that could be why LttP said the master sword was created in OoT, since think back to what legends the Egyptians passed and what we thought, well some of this has changed with today's tech. Too far back to be relavent? Think the knights day, some things and images, tales, etc. we have of the Knight's age are entirely inacurate yet most people don't know better. For instance, until recently "honor and respect, romance and courage" were best believed to sum up the Knight's age, now we kind of know better. I've said my piece.

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So you know, Hostile Creation, its not that I don't agree with you about only OoT, MM, and WW being part of the storyline, I just like to consider all possible sides of the situation, and bring up points, even if I don't agree with them at all, why? I'm a writter, doesn't that explain enough? (lol)

           
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Rymir Feldur

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Nintendo Gaming / Gannondorf is Half-Hyilian?

« on: June 07, 2003, 06:50:07 PM »

The thing I want to know is if the Zelda games go in order from:

OoT
MM
WW
LttP
LoZ
LoZ II: AOL

Then wouldn't there be at least three or four male Gerudos? Well I guess my theory is Agahimn and Wizard for AOL where shades of Gannon since there are hints, but I suppose one could also argue they are male Gerudos. Most likely the male Gerudo is either created by cermonial sex with a Hylian (Hyrulian) or they get together and cermonially call up magic and create a male Gerudo every one hundred years.

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Nintendo Gaming / I just beat WW less than six minutes ago... (Spoilers, maybe?)

« on: June 07, 2003, 06:38:41 PM »

AoL: Adventures of Link

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AoL (Zelda II) used was a very odd sideview Zelda action rpg, it was kind of a flop and some believed it was the death of Nintendo's Zelda series.

Second off, I do think there is a logical order to the Zelda games due to hints and a basic pattern, however, I don't think that Nintendo will ever clearly let us know what that order is, since it gives Zelda fans a reason for playing, to see how the different Zeldas connect.

Third, I don't honestly think that "Gannondorf" from WW is really who you think, well kind of. It is more likely it is a shade (or a part) of Gannon. You see, Gannondorf was most likely partly destroyed in Orcarina being subverted to GANNON. Then in WW I believe Gannondorf is completely destroyed, yet the evil part created by a darkened triforce still remains, this part is known as GANNON, which is only a part of the original Gannondorf, so basically Gannondorf the man is dead, and all that is left is a shadow of himself, Gannon.

I'm also not certain that GANNON is free from his imprisonment, it makes sense that GANNON sent a image or shade of himself in WW to prepare for freeing GANNON, especially since that is what has happened before, we are hinted to this because Agahimn (I butchered the spelling) was the shade of Gannon TWICE in Zelda games. Also if there is a true order OoT Zelda is still alive WAY after WW and LttP, etc. Tetra is not the original Zelda, of course, most likely Zelda the third. (AoL kind of explains why there are so many Hyrulian Princesses named Zelda).

Basically, Zelda lives on in eternal slumber until one of the reincarnations of Link awakes her in the last Zelda game, AoL (originally Zelda II).

Though this theory is offically proven, there is connecting elements from all Zeldas that give evidence to this, since I have already made a post before about this I won't go any further into my discussion.

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Nintendo Gaming / The winds brought the same thing...Death. (Spoilers warning)

« on: June 06, 2003, 02:12:58 PM »

I don't neccessarily think that the Gerudo are moblins, however, as far as moblins being male or female, they are more and less neither, they probably lost all properties of their former selfs, and either way the moblin WERE most likely created by Gannondorf after he got the Triforce of Power, whether or not he created them from stratch or from the Gerudo, however, is what we don't know.  

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Nintendo Gaming / The makers of the Master Sword?

« on: June 06, 2003, 02:10:52 PM »

Well think historically to real life, think Boston Masacre, was it a REAL masacre? Heck no... but still it got the name and everyone thinks of it as a major thing. Now think Imprisoning War, was it a REAL MAJOR war or just a small little skirmish that was easily brought done by Gannondorf's armies. I think the imprisoning war was just another little battle that time and the coming of the hero of time helped exagerate.

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Nintendo Gaming / The makers of the Master Sword?

« on: June 03, 2003, 05:51:54 AM »

The thing about OoT and LttP is that LttP takes place way after, therefore, history would be slightly exagerated, ALSO you must keep in mind that Link returns after seven years and therefore a war probably took place DURING his slumber. Especially since the only guard left in Orcarina after Gannondorf rules is the one posing as the Poe Person at Hyrule Castle Town's edge.


  Also I am relatively certain that in LttP the Hylians are refered as being an ancient race, yet it OoT, MM, and WW they are the current name for Hyrule's people.

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Nintendo Gaming / The winds brought the same thing...Death. (Spoilers warning)

« on: June 03, 2003, 05:48:50 AM »

Yes I suppose that is true there was one kind of moblin in OoT, however, what I want to know was there any moblins BEFORE Gannondorf got the Triforce of Power, if not (I'm not 100% certain) then my theory might have some more proof from the game.

 My guess is that since I believe moblins didn't show up in the game until after Gannondorf recieved the Triforce of Power, the moblins were just begining to exist and weren't that important yet. In WW, however, they are VERY massive in numbers, and it still stands to reason they might be the Gerudo.

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Nintendo Gaming / I just beat WW less than six minutes ago... (Spoilers, maybe?)

« on: June 03, 2003, 05:44:34 AM »

I guess I just kind of fell in love with Hyrule and everything as far back as LttP, my first Zelda game was LoZ but I didn't start playing it until I was about five, and I am about 18 now. AoL had the most massive world I must admit, but the gameplay just wasn't Zelda, though I admit the whole plotline wasn't too bad actually.

  I'm not positive but I think LttP takes place after WW and therefore there is a new Hyrule in the image of the first, but I guess I still prefer the world from Orcarina anymore.

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Nintendo Gaming / Miyamoto again says ALttP is a sequel to LoZ

« on: June 02, 2003, 09:17:39 PM »

All Links are the same Link basically, just reincarnations. Why? Becuase I said so, there isn't any real reason, it just is according to the hints from all Zeldas. Almost every Zelda game takes place in a different timeline and with a different LINK.

Most likely the order is :


 OoT
 MM
 WW
 LttP
 LoZ
 AoL

I have another post that gives kind of a story behind all this.

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Nintendo Gaming / The winds brought the same thing...Death. (Spoilers warning)

« on: June 02, 2003, 08:38:52 PM »

I know its kind of silly to feel sorry for the guy who want's to kill you and everything, but it almost seemed as if he was a good person for a moment more concerned about the Gerudo's wealthfare then his own power.

Okay my moment of compasion is over... basically, the line "The winds brought the same thing...Death" was a metaphor like Hostile Creation said. It meant that desert life sucks compared to the lush life of the Hylia, and in OoT and WW that kind of hints that the Gerudo and Hylia had been enemies for a while, maybe that is why Gannondorf was trying to seize Hyrule in the first place.

 Secondly, thing of the "Moblins", they didn't exist in OoT and MM, yet it WW, LttP, LoZ, AoL, (the games that take place AFTER OoT in the timeline, most likely), all have moblins. Yah I know OoT had something similar to moblins in a couple places but not the standard moblins, so just MAYBE the moblins are a contrivance of Gannondorf, since basically GANNON form is a big super moblin, and if we are to connect LttP and OoT at all, the Gerudo did help out Gannon therefore it might be possible that the Moblins, being an enhanced form (though kinda stupid), might be the Gerudo. It seems possible that the Moblins were created from the Gerudo since the Gerudo were Ganondorf's people and the moblinoids are GANNON's people.

      just something more to think about...  

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Nintendo Gaming / I just beat WW less than six minutes ago... (Spoilers, maybe?)

« on: June 02, 2003, 08:30:12 PM »

Basically, I just beat the Windwaker, now I own and have beaten every Zelda game. I must admit Windwaker was MUCH better than what my first impressions believed it would be, unfortunately, it didn't actually meet Orcarina's standards, yet wasn't to far off, and it was over 1000% times better than Majora's Mask (probably my least favorite console Zelda ever, sense it didn't help to progress the Zelda storyline at all). The most annoying part about Windwaker was the Triforce Charts and Pieces, there was little action and fighting during this part, and finding the money to decipher charts.

   The whole fight with Gannondorf wasn't TOO terrible, but I'm sorry that it wasn't what I thought it would be with all the hype I hear about it at this site. It was WAY too easy to figure out and not as challenging as Orcarina's fight, actually the first phase in Orcarina was the most difficult part, the battle with GANNON was cheap, and escaping the castle was hard. So I'd say that the battle in WW was ALMOST comparable to OoT's final boss, but definitely not the "Best Zelda battle in History" as some people told me.

  MAJOR DISAPOINTMENTS:


          I was disapointed from the moment I found out this wasn't OoT Link and Zelda, then I was Okay with it when I found out Hyrule could still be visited, then I was somewhat dissapointed with the fact that NOTHING took place in Hyrule, except getting Master Sword and fighting Gannondorf. I wish the duguens would have actually been in Hyrule, AND according to the game a select few where chosen to be put above the land, so when Hyrule went into enternal slumber it makes sense that many Hylians were still in Hyrule, so when the Master Sword was pulled towns and people must have awakened, therefore, when the King made the STUPID wish to destroy Hyrule he was probably killing hundreds of people by drowning them to death.


      Overall, the Windwaker game was an awesome experience, but Orcarina still is awesome and the best (in my opinion, of course) Zelda game, of course I thought the FEEL, EMOTIONS, and Cel-Shading graphics were more enjoyable, if Orcarina had a makeover into that kind of style and detailed graphics, it would be the greatest game of all time.

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Nintendo Gaming / The makers of the Master Sword?

« on: June 02, 2003, 08:18:07 PM »

Unfortunately, the story of the master sword is one of the biggest contradictions in the Zelda series, which is saying something since there are many contradictions in the series. The OoT game was the imprisoning war and Link found the Master Sword in the Temple of Time during this war, therefore it was created long before the OoT yet at the same time they mantain it was created during the imprisonment war... only two possible solutions... Gannondorf existed way before OoT yet was somehow forgotten. So then there would be the imprisoning war, then in OoT the re-imprisoning war, then in Windwaker his death or re-re-imprisonment (depending on what you believe), then if LttP existed after Windwaker then came the re-re-re-imprisonment war. So basically, I must admit that the Zelda series makes absolutely no snese when it comes to this particualr part. I don't know, maybe there is something we are missing, it would be cool if they made a game that was a prelude and filled in the holes, unfortunately, the main reason why the Zelda series plot probably doesn't fit together is because they know that people who are curious to make a connection between all the Zelda games will buy the Zelda games. In other words, a mysterious plot seems to sell best to an audience, though I personally am tiring of it.

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Nintendo Gaming / The makers of the Master Sword?

« on: June 02, 2003, 11:50:12 AM »

According to LttP the Hylians are referenced as being the ancestors of the current Hyrulians, though in Orcarina the people of Hyrule are called Hylians, just something that happened over time I suppose. Remember, LttP Hyrule is different from OoT Hyrule.

   As for the sword, is supposedly was created to destroy Gannondorf according to LttP's Book of Muddora, yet obviously according to the OoT game, the Master Sword is much older, so I still am curious as to what evil could have been so great that this sword was forged.