Topic: The makers of the Master Sword?

[Rymir]

This is an opinion post, basically I'm curious at to what people think about the master sword, in the LttP it was said to be made by the people known as the Hylians, who do you think made it exactly and why? I mean it had to be made to fight a particular evil, or was it handed down by the gods? What is your opinion?

[Hostile Creation]

Hylians are the people of Hyrule.  The origins of such artifacts are usually shrouded in mystery, so it's impossible to tell.  Probably, though, it was just made by the people a very, very long time ago.

[Rymir]

According to LttP the Hylians are referenced as being the ancestors of the current Hyrulians, though in Orcarina the people of Hyrule are called Hylians, just something that happened over time I suppose. Remember, LttP Hyrule is different from OoT Hyrule.

   As for the sword, is supposedly was created to destroy Gannondorf according to LttP's Book of Muddora, yet obviously according to the OoT game, the Master Sword is much older, so I still am curious as to what evil could have been so great that this sword was forged.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Athlete's foot.

[temjin11]

no, its the possum that keeps on coming to the porch and eating the cat food... no wait, thats what the super soakers are for.  

Hey, thats a great idea!!! Lets put super soakers in the zelda games, just so you can get the people in towns angry, like when you hit Orca.  They should also throw in some possums.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Oh why not just put Sunshine Mario into the Zelda games instead?  He could spray tainted water into Ganons eyes, causing him to fall off the top of his fortress and die of fractured vertebrae.  Whoo-heee!

[Ninja X]

Just pretend the last three posts never existed so to get back on topic...

According to Nintendo's official OOT strategy guide...

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The conflict between Ganon's army and the forces of Hyrule was called the Imprisoning War, and it was during this time that the Master Sword was forged.  No warrior of that age was deemed worthy enough to wield the sword, and it lay idle until Link claimed it.

Obviously, many holes exist in that brief history of the Master Sword, so don't come bitching to me about it.

One obvious hole is that wasn't Ocarina of Time the Imprisoning War?  Some people can argue it is not, but then that would mean the War happened afterwards.  That would mean Link claimed the sword before the Imprisoning War even happened.  

[Rymir]

Unfortunately, the story of the master sword is one of the biggest contradictions in the Zelda series, which is saying something since there are many contradictions in the series. The OoT game was the imprisoning war and Link found the Master Sword in the Temple of Time during this war, therefore it was created long before the OoT yet at the same time they mantain it was created during the imprisonment war... only two possible solutions... Gannondorf existed way before OoT yet was somehow forgotten. So then there would be the imprisoning war, then in OoT the re-imprisoning war, then in Windwaker his death or re-re-imprisonment (depending on what you believe), then if LttP existed after Windwaker then came the re-re-re-imprisonment war. So basically, I must admit that the Zelda series makes absolutely no snese when it comes to this particualr part. I don't know, maybe there is something we are missing, it would be cool if they made a game that was a prelude and filled in the holes, unfortunately, the main reason why the Zelda series plot probably doesn't fit together is because they know that people who are curious to make a connection between all the Zelda games will buy the Zelda games. In other words, a mysterious plot seems to sell best to an audience, though I personally am tiring of it.

[Hostile Creation]

There was no war going on during OoT.  Sure, Ganondorf came, but that can barely be called a war.  He just sort of came, and no one did anything about it until Link came.

And in my experience, the people of Hyrule have always been called Hylians.

[Rymir]

The thing about OoT and LttP is that LttP takes place way after, therefore, history would be slightly exagerated, ALSO you must keep in mind that Link returns after seven years and therefore a war probably took place DURING his slumber. Especially since the only guard left in Orcarina after Gannondorf rules is the one posing as the Poe Person at Hyrule Castle Town's edge.


  Also I am relatively certain that in LttP the Hylians are refered as being an ancient race, yet it OoT, MM, and WW they are the current name for Hyrule's people.

[Hostile Creation]

It's been a long time since I've played LttP, so that could be.  Still, as for the war, that seems unlikely.  It seems to me like Ganondorf came in, the people stood up to him about a month or so, and then he killed a load of people and they stopped.  More like invading a peaceful village than warring with Sparta.  Besides, the only place that showed any sign of war was the marketplace.  I think the Imprisoning War was supposed to be some vague historical reference that wasn't really supposed to be thought of most.  And the Master Sword obviously existed before Link went into slumber, so that couldn't be the war.

[Rymir]

Well think historically to real life, think Boston Masacre, was it a REAL masacre? Heck no... but still it got the name and everyone thinks of it as a major thing. Now think Imprisoning War, was it a REAL MAJOR war or just a small little skirmish that was easily brought done by Gannondorf's armies. I think the imprisoning war was just another little battle that time and the coming of the hero of time helped exagerate.

[Ninja X]

It was somewhat of a war.  

The Kokiri were hiding safely in their homes, fearful of coming out due to monsters invading their once-peaceful forest.
The Gorons were dealing with Volvagia, the ancient dragon Ganondorf resurrected just to deal with the Gorons.
The Zora were frozen in their "watery prison."
The Hylians were mostly dead, it seems, except for those who ran off to Kakariko.  I am replaying OOT, and it seems Impa protected the Shiekah town from any invading monsters, until around the time Link woke up from his seven-year slumber.
As for the Gerudo...they were prospering under the "great" Ganondorf.

In this "war," casualities definitely came about.  While one can debate whether this was fought with thousands of soldiers, chances are that it is probably the Imprisoning War.

Of course, one can also argue the other way...

[Hostile Creation]

The fact still exists that LttP says that the Master Sword was created during the Imprisoning War, and it sure as hell was there before Ganondorf took power that time. They didn't have a fake master sword sitting there until someone decided to make the real one.

Wars are very different from massacres.  Wars are huge, and people remember them.  And they don't call a few deaths a war.  Besides, if LttP comes after OoT, I doubt anyone would remember such a small incident.  Calling that seven year period of oppression a war would be like calling the Great Depression a war.  Sure, stuff happened, even violence and revolutions in certain countries, but it's still not called a war.

[Rymir]

If I was to dig back far enough and confuse the hell out of most of you, I could think back to Cymraeg (Wales), the Welsh supposedly fought a long war with their Celtic brethern who eventually came to take parts of Cymraeg, however, historians now have uncovered that the "war" wasn't much of one since little resistance was met and was easily crushed, now Zelda's "Imprisoning War" might be the same kind of inciddent, history exagerates itself, especially since LttP probably took place 200-500 years after Orcarina. (WW Link is not the LttP Link).

Also, I think that there is some connection to the old games, however, I do agree with you, Hostile Creation, but I think the definite timeline we can see started with LttP, OoT, MM, and WW, I don't believe the GB games are relavent, either, nor do I neccesarily think AoL and LoZ are part of the plot. However, OoT went out of its way in many points, sometimes subtle to brush back up things from LttP, if not any earlier, since LttP was the rebirth of Zelda, since AoL was kind of its death, I think the true timeline is probably OoT, MM, WW, and LttP, I do think Link to the Past fits well into the timeline, if not perfectly. I do at the same time think LttP was a remake of LoZ pretty much. It does seem to me though that OoT would be predeccessor to LttP.

 Like you said, I could be wrong too, but I don't believe in multiple coincidences and since I've been a Zelda fan since well, LoZ, I think I've seen to many coincidences to believe that the games don't have any order, at least LttP, OoT, MM, and WW have an order.

By the way, history has a tendency to be inacurate, that could be why LttP said the master sword was created in OoT, since think back to what legends the Egyptians passed and what we thought, well some of this has changed with today's tech. Too far back to be relavent? Think the knights day, some things and images, tales, etc. we have of the Knight's age are entirely inacurate yet most people don't know better. For instance, until recently "honor and respect, romance and courage" were best believed to sum up the Knight's age, now we kind of know better. I've said my piece.

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So you know, Hostile Creation, its not that I don't agree with you about only OoT, MM, and WW being part of the storyline, I just like to consider all possible sides of the situation, and bring up points, even if I don't agree with them at all, why? I'm a writter, doesn't that explain enough? (lol)

           
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Rymir Feldur

[Hostile Creation]

Yeah, I already replied to this in another thread.

[VideoGamerX]

The answer is simple really. Ocarina of Time may not be the very first occurrence of the legend. It's the earliest we have, but it may not be the very first. We may very well get a game from Nintendo in the future where we are Link and we have to wait for the master sword to be crafted. Who knows?

Or another idea is that maybe the sword was crafted some time just before Ocarina of Time's mess broke out. Maybe a few years in advance, Hyrule's sages and see'ers could sense that something was coming. They pushed the Royal family to have a sword forged and they enchanted it with the power to repel evil. Sensing the great power of the sword and how dangerous it could be if not used by someone who has proven themselves worthy, they placed it in a stone and enchanted the stone to not give up the sword except to one who has completed the neccesary tasks to prove their claim to the sword.

What we do know is that Hyrule's royal family knew of the secrets of the Triforce and the master sword. They kept them very well hidden knowing the trouble the Triforce could cause.

What are we to think? Could there be stories handed down through the family that great evil has tried to take hold of the land before through use of the Triforce? One can't help but wonder at the existence of the master sword already. Before OoT Link ever pulls the sword from the stone, there is already a legend and a path paved for him to take it.

Wanna know something I don't get? Why is it that child link in Wind Waker is able to pull the Triforce from its resting place but OoT Link has to age 7 years in order to use it?

[Termin8Anakin]

one of the things i'm stoked about Zelda is that even though it's epic in scale, and you're part of this major good-vs-evil event, that there's no real war?
I mean, epic for me is thousands of soldiers, say, vs Gannon and his army of moblins, etc.
It should be going on while Link's on his journey, much like in Lord of the RIngs.
I like WW a lot, but i hardly call it epic in the grand sense of the word.
It's bloody ter-epic-riffic when compared to OoT and MM, but no, not compared to anything else. I know Miyamoto was inspired by playing in caves, but geeze.

Look at OoT.
During the 7 years, Gannon turned the land dark and evil. Supposedly, there would have been great struggle and resistance, yet everyone is still alive.
I think that's what they need to do in the next Zelda to make it revolutionary - full epic grandness: a race of people is not just seven people. You know?

Now, back to the Sword, it's the same thing here.
Now Nintendo said it was only 100 years since OoT.
Hardly enough time for OoT Link's story to become legend. Heck, Link's grandma would be there when he conquered Gannon.
If it's the same Hyrule as OoT, where's all the other temples and sages?
I think that if there ever are Zelda games set along the same Hyrule, there should at least be some consistencies ironed out.

There's some things I don't get also about the sword too:
-How did they actually make it to become the doorway to the Sacred Realm?
-You could simply bomb/break the Door of Time down and get the sword
-Why would they make it with the intention that the only person able to use it hasn't even been born or known about yet?
-And if the above point was the case, why wouldnt they believe Zelda's prophecies, and go looking for him?
-WHy did Link have to age 7 years to use it where in WW he doesn't (i agree with ya VideoGamerX)

I'm sorry if i sound like I'm knockin Zelda, but I am merely questioning the logic behind the story elements. There are more, but I want to go to bed now.
I'll let some others explain this and add more to it.