Topic: continued from Gamecube Disc. Microsoft & Nintendo

[joeamis]

originally posted by: AdvancedGamer
 Wed December 24, 2003 7:44 AM          
According to several sources, the latest issue of EDGE magazine (issue 132) contains what seems to be the strongest hint yet at a possible collaboration between Microsoft and Nintendo in the next generation console wars. Here's the text:

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RedEye can't say much more about who's going to be involved with the second generation of Microsoft's attempt to invade your living room, but just because it's you, here's a hint : IT'S A-ME MASTER CHIEF-IO. Don't tell anyone though - this news is on a strictly need to knintendow basis. Just between you and RedEye, Okay? Great
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Source: www.gamecubeland.com
Wow. I don't know if this changes anything but... well just tell us your thoughts and discuss the article.  

this would be awesome, someone posted MS has nothing to offer Nintendo, I beg to differ.

Microsoft has online network completely in place, something Nintendo needs,
Microsoft has tons of money for advertising, something Nintendo needs to do...,
Microsoft can help Nintendo come out with a console that would be far superior to
PS3, if both Microsoft and Nintendo pooled their funds together to create it...
Microsoft gets all the adult/advanced/PC games like Doom 3, Fable, Halo 2, and Ninja Gaiden

if they worked together, Sony would have a rival like Sega was to Nintendo in the Genesis era.
and if it was backwards compatible with GC and XB, you'd have all the owners of those two systems buying this new one...  

[Guitar Smasher]

Nintendo will never merge with Microsoft.  Here are some of my main argumentative points:

- Nintendo's attitude towards violent games
- Microsoft is and American corporation (different ethics)
- It would alienate kids' games
- Nintendo would feel obligated to release games on PC
- Different goals (Microsoft - more $, Nintendo - best gaming)

In my opinion, they are the exact opposite of each other, and therefore would never work together.  I think a collaboration with Sega is 100% more likely.

[Crash]

Microsoft has online network completely in place, something Nintendo needs - yet to be determined; right now, surel, but what about during the GameCube 2 era We don't know what Nintendo has up their sleaves.
Microsoft has tons of money for advertising, something Nintendo needs to do..., Nintendo is spending MILLIONS this season on their Who Are you program...and it seems to be working.
Microsoft can help Nintendo come out with a console that would be far superior to - based on what?? A 4 year old PC that is the size of a 1983 VCR?
PS3, if both Microsoft and Nintendo pooled their funds together to create it...
Microsoft gets all the adult/advanced/PC games like Doom 3, Fable, Halo 2, and Ninja Gaiden

if they worked together, Sony would have a rival like Sega was to Nintendo in the Genesis era; judging by Sega now, that was clearly important.....

Sorry dude, don't see it.

[Polemistis]

Nintendo will never merge with anyone else, or make games for other consoles.

This "rumor" could be a sign that Microsoft is worried about what their future holds for them in the gaming industry because everyone knows they are behind Sony and Nintendo.

[joeamis]

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Originally posted by: Crash
Microsoft has online network completely in place, something Nintendo needs - yet to be determined; right now, surel, but what about during the GameCube 2 era We don't know what Nintendo has up their sleaves.
Microsoft has tons of money for advertising, something Nintendo needs to do..., Nintendo is spending MILLIONS this season on their Who Are you program...and it seems to be working.
Microsoft can help Nintendo come out with a console that would be far superior to - based on what?? A 4 year old PC that is the size of a 1983 VCR?
PS3, if both Microsoft and Nintendo pooled their funds together to create it...
Microsoft gets all the adult/advanced/PC games like Doom 3, Fable, Halo 2, and Ninja Gaiden

if they worked together, Sony would have a rival like Sega was to Nintendo in the Genesis era; judging by Sega now, that was clearly important.....
Sorry dude, don't see it.

the first point is that MS online network is already in place... (saves Nintendo mad $ and employee resources)
the 2nd point is that MS can spend a he11uva lot more than Nintendo can on advertising...
3rd point: if they work together they can pool their funds and resources...DUH... this will equal a better system than working alone, also the GC is superior to PS2, and the XB far superior... (and i hate xbox, i own ps2 and gc just so you know)

AND FINALLY "DUDE" if sega did not succeed with genesis they would not exist anymore......

[cj723]

You people do realise how great a system made jointly between Nintendo and Microsoft would be don't you? I think alot of you forget about what our main priority in all this is, and thats to enjoy games. If Nintendo and Microsoft joined forces to make their next Home console, we are the only ones who will be better off, the Gamers!

As for the idea that Microsoft thinks about the dollars and Nintendo only the game quality, thats bullocks. They both think about nothing but the bottom line and their market shares, they are both huge, faceless multinational corporations.

I don't Love Nintendo, I love GAMING, and Nintendo games are the ones I love the most. If joining forces with Microsoft left Nintendo to do what they do best, and thats make games, id be very happy.

[KDR_11k]

Microsoft wants domination (then will turn up the heat and make big profit), Nintendo wants to stay profitable all the time.

Microsoft is known for screwing over smaller companies (Nvidia, Sendo, ...). Nintendo might make mistakes but they can still smell a trap.

Basically you said Microsoft offers an unprofitable online network and lots of money. Nintendo wants to set up a profitable network and have enough time to do so until the N5 launches. If you need money you ask a bank, that's cheaper than partnering with Microsoft. A partner will demand like 50% of your profits, that's way more than a bank demands.

[mjbd]

Nintendo has billions in the bank, not compnay worth, but billions of real dollars. They dont need microsoft for money.  The only reason nintendo hasnt done online yet, is because its not profitable.  I dont know about you guys, but I would much rather play Mario Kart with 3 friends, than over the net with 3 strangers.  Not saying I dont like online games, but I dont feel that games need to be online to be fun.  When you think about it, whats the differance between playing someone online and playing against a computer?  Not much, nothing other than you can chat inbetween games and you know you actually playing another person.  Microsoft isnt gonna be around two genrations from now, investors will only put up with losses for so long.  

[The Omen]

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AND FINALLY "DUDE" if sega did not succeed with genesis they would not exist anymore......

Frankly, they aren't around anymore.  

 Pooling MS and Nintendo resources together would only work if MS relinquished some control over the actual game aspect of the system.  Do you see MS doing anything remotely close to this?  I see the exact opposite.  Nintendo would be far better remaining solo, which their track record proves.  As for this whole ' Nintendo needs MS for the adult games' angle, I say BS.  Nintendo just needs to become aggressive with 3rd parties, and they'll get those games.  Releasing the N5 first would be great because many 3rd parties would put their big name games on the 'new' system, especially since its a Nintendo system, and historicallly, Nintendo has an installed user base.  Hardcore, if you will.

[Crash]

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Originally posted by: The Omen

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AND FINALLY "DUDE" if sega did not succeed with genesis they would not exist anymore......

Frankly, they aren't around anymore.  

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DAMN!!! You stole my post. You know what....that is a sad, sad point. Sega will re-invent themselves...they deserve to be in this business WAY more than either Sony or MicroSoft.

the first point is that MS online network is already in place... (saves Nintendo mad $ and employee resources); missing my point here....we don't know what Nintendo has in place. If they have spent gobs of cash on a system that we are not aware of; how would it save them money?
the 2nd point is that MS can spend a he11uva lot more than Nintendo can on advertising...Obviously they can by the sheer amount of liquid resources at their disposal (MS has $32 billion; Nintendo has $8 billion in the bank) - but that is not what your first post said. You said Nintendo needed advertising.
3rd point: if they work together they can pool their funds and resources...DUH... this will equal a better system than working alone, also the GC is superior to PS2, and the XB far superior... (and i hate xbox, i own ps2 and gc just so you know); fair enough.

[joeamis]

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Originally posted by: Crash

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Originally posted by: The Omen

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AND FINALLY "DUDE" if sega did not succeed with genesis they would not exist anymore......

Frankly, they aren't around anymore.  
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the first point is that MS online network is already in place... (saves Nintendo mad $ and employee resources); missing my point here....we don't know what Nintendo has in place. If they have spent gobs of cash on a system that we are not aware of; how would it save them money?

the 2nd point is that MS can spend a he11uva lot more than Nintendo can on advertising...Obviously they can by the sheer amount of liquid resources at their disposal (MS has $32 billion; Nintendo has $8 billion in the bank) - but that is not what your first post said. You said Nintendo needed advertising.

Sega is still around, theyre one of the top 10 publishers of games, but if Genesis failed they would be more like an NEC by now.

1st point:----It would save them money because they wouldn't have to put all the money into creating a worldwide network, including employee salaries as well.  They can just let Microsoft handle doing the networking, and it would be good.

2nd point:--Yes I said Nintendo needed to do more advertising, something they will never do as much as Microsoft will because they can't gamble their money that way as much as MS is able to.  If they joined Nintendo could advertise only it's 1st party games and more so, while leaving MS to advertise the 3rd party games, (Nintendo is currently advertising for 3rd party as well)

Some of us don't have friends who live nearby anymore, they all moved to different states, so online gaming is our only source of multiplayer anymore, and online gaming is nothing like playing against AI...

If Nintendo was not concerned with only money and doing well in a business sense, they would have given us online games by now.  They should give what the people want, not just give it if they can profit off it.

[mjbd]

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They should give what the people want, not just give it if they can profit off it.

 Are you ok?  I think nintendo should give away there games from now on, I know its not profitable for them, but its what we want.    See how rediculous it sounds.  Nintendo is a business to make money, and they have been doing that for for many many years.  As for playing AI vs online against someone, tell me what the big differance is?  I was all into warppipe there for a while, but when I really thought about it, there wasnt much differance between playing someone over the net vs. playing the AI.  

[joeamis]

are you ok???  I said profit, not sell at a loss....................
meaning like PS2, their online games are free, they dont make profit off their online content, but they still give it to us because thats what we want.
see how ridiculous you sound?

AI does not behave like humans yet, the difference is AI cannot replicate the workings of a human mind yet... and therefor is not as fun, how many online games do you own?
plus you can talk to people online WHILE YOURE PLAYING, you cant talk to AI.  

[mjbd]

A network cost money to maintain, so if your not making money, its really a loss.  Its kinda like a buniness selling an item at cost, they are losing money right?  Wrong, overhead is something to consider.  It cost money to turn on the lights, get the product on the shelves, pay people to stock those shelves.  Nintendo knows what they are doing.  I trus that.

[Guitar Smasher]

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Originally posted by: joeamis
are you ok???

AI does not behave like humans yet, the difference is AI cannot replicate the workings of a human mind yet... and therefor is not as fun, how many online games do you own?
plus you can talk to people online WHILE YOURE PLAYING, you cant talk to AI.

Anyone who plays online just so they can talk to someone is sad.  

[joeamis]

thats not why lol, if you read the posts above you wouldn't have typed that lol.
he said how is online any different from AI, i was stating one of the reasons why.

it's fun to talk to the friends you meet online, for example in Starcraft, when you
want to form your strategies or if you want to host games that you have made yourself.

some talking online is crucial to the game, ex: starcraft lets you send messages to only allies if you wish... very good for strategy, another example is Socom...

it's also why they let you add people to your list so you can see if they're on and which game they're currently in.

before you knock people in the thread take into account the whole situation

[mjbd]

I will admit that some things about playing online are cool, but to expect nintendo to set it up when they wont make money from doing so is kinda crazy IMO.  I see what your saying about games like Socom and Starcraft, online is a key element in making it work.  If nintendo can find a way to make money at it, I am sure they will, but untill then, your gonna be limited to tunneling programs like warppipe for LAN games.

[manunited4eva22]

PC gaming will always be more efficient at online gaming.  Anyone who tells you that PC gamers don't pay for games online are only telling half the truth, there are a lot of people who do play PC games online and don't even mention it.  

What I am really talking about is the way FPS are set up.  Some, well actually very few, servers are hosted by a user, most often the server is rented and at a nice little premium (for instance a 20 man server can run over 75 dollars a month)  Obviously now, not everyone is paying, but there are enough people paying to maintane several hundred servers to each game.  If someone could pull that off in console games, the problem would be solved in a way that works on a much simpler scale.

[The Omen]

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Sega is still around, theyre one of the top 10 publishers of games, but if Genesis failed they would be more like an NEC by now.

And you know what?  They are on a steady decline.  If you havent heard, there is big time trouble with Sammy corp. taking over majority stock in Sega.  Besides this new unrest, Sega went from being the #1 developer less than 10 years ago, to completely dropping consoles because they cant run their business.  Sega havent been financially healthy in years, and its only getting worse.  So i repeat-frankly, they arent around anymore.

[Chongman]

online gaming IS so so much more enjoyable then sitting alone in your livingroom playing by yourself against some dumb AI that does the same old tactics over and over again.

The reason online gaming is so enjoyable is because there is a myriad of differences in how people play and that makes it challenging and fun. You can eventualy figure out the computer and beat it every time if you want and that gets stale fast. People are just more fun to play against, and thats the facts. Even just knowing someone is at the end of the line looking at the exact same screen you are trying to outwit YOU makes it that much more fun.

[Bill Aurion]

"online gaming IS so so much more enjoyable then sitting alone in your livingroom playing by yourself against some dumb AI that does the same old tactics over and over again."

Not more fun than playing with a bunch of friends that are in the same room as you...  

[Chongman]

yeah, i agree with you there, but online gaming has its conveniences, such as you're not crowded onto one screen. Plus, if you want a lot of people to play at one time, u have to lan and thats such a hassle. Online play is a completely different experience though. Playing against a stranger is very different then playing against a friend in the same room. And its fun. At least thats my opinion, and i'm sure plenty of other online players think the same way.

[KDR_11k]

Only thing I know about online is that I'm playing against a stranger. I hate interacting with strangers.

[Guitar Smasher]

Does anyone know about the online situation in Japan?  I'd really like to know more of how it's working down there.

[odifiend]

Another large advantage to online gaming is that you can have so many more people playing.  Could you imagine holding a completely human F-Zero race or playing in an FPS completely teeming with human enemies and allies.  Yes it is fun to sit in a room with your friends, but whose to say that someone won't develop an online game where four players can log on from one console.  That I think would be truly awesome to have you and your buds take on others from the same room.