Author Topic: "The Trouble With Nintendo" (Read 44416 times)

Oldskool · « **Reply #50 on:** December 21, 2003, 06:50:15 AM »

Modify that editorial slightly and send it to CNN and the other mainstream news sources who try to write gaming articles with non-gamers. Perhaps now we can take the fight to biased media, like Micheal Jackson!

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #51 on:** December 21, 2003, 07:18:06 AM »

If I were to send it to anyone else, I'd definitely expand on it- as long as it is now (over 1,000 words), it only touches on a few of the ghost issues people are seeing in Nintendo's future.

Zeth: That didn't make any sense whatsoever.

Luciferschild · « **Reply #52 on:** December 21, 2003, 09:20:02 AM »

What I'm saying is they could make some ORIGINAL mature games/franshises. A fps, a fighting game, an action adventure game, rpg.....anything? Like it or not their are a lot of people out there who think blood and guts are cool. Ever heard of gta. I didn't think this was a good game but I liked the idea of just being able to go around shooting people and what not. Personally I don't really consider the level of gore when I'm thinking about buying a game, in fact none of the games I've played recently have any gore whatsoever. I'm more concerned with the style and look of a game, I tend to like stuff with a harder darker look and feel than anything nintendo would make. I'm happy with my gamecube but I think I'd be happier knowing nintendo might make something that isn't kiddie looking sometime...I just don't feel like they're making any new franchises and if they do it will involve flowers or be incredibly easy.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #53 on:** December 21, 2003, 10:24:02 AM »

Well, Nintendo'sstyle ISN'T dark games, I'm sorry- Majora's Mask is about as dark as it's going to get (although that was fairly dark). Nintendo changing their style to make dark and moody games would be like Rockstar changing their style to make bright and cheerful games, and yet you don't see ME complaining about how Rockstar doesn't suit MY needs.

Also, my email's back up!! It just started working as mysteriously as it stopped. Again, thank you very much, Hostile, for taking care of the letter while it was down.

BlkPaladin · « **Reply #54 on:** December 21, 2003, 12:19:57 PM »

Though it would be good to note that NIntendo did make a development group to handle these so called darker games. But we probally will not see anything from them until next generation. ((Just because they are given the task of coming up with some new mascot characters not attached to already exsisting games.)

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #55 on:** December 21, 2003, 12:20:32 PM »

Sure. Have you gotten any reply or anything about it yet?

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #56 on:** December 21, 2003, 12:50:59 PM »

No reply yet, no, other than the copy your forwarded to me. It does take GR a bit to reply to emails, though, and like I said, I bet they're getting a lot of fanboy flames with the editorial.

evil intentions · « **Reply #57 on:** December 21, 2003, 01:41:58 PM »

In my house, we have always bought all the new consels out there. Super Nintendo, Game Boy, PS1, Gameboy color, GBA, Ps2, Gamecube, and Xbox, dreamcast, and atari.

But if you ask me, I spend much more time in the room with the Gamecube, then in any other room. Gamecube doesn't have kiddish games, they just don't have all that blood and gore and crap in the games. I agree with mouse_clicker, in saying that if they ever did add all the blood and gore, that they would lose my business.

I have to admit, that the Xbox and PS2 have some good games, but there are only a few of them that I really enjoy. The reason that they have a lot more games than the Cube is because they don't put all the hard work into their games. The Cube puts all their time and effort into creating the best game they can. That's why I enjoy them so much.

When I was younger, I used to watch my dad playing Mario on N64. I used to love watching how Mario could fly in the air with his winged hat, how he could turn into Iron, how he could save baby penguins and take them all the way to their mommy, and beat penguins in races.

When I was younger I used to always watch my older cousins play Super Nintendo and play Aladin and Mario, and all these great games. I enjoyed them, and didn't care about the graphics at all. (well of course there was nothing better at the time) But even still, I play games on my Super Nintendo and don't even worry about the graphics. I have the time of my life playing with my cousins in Super Mario. We don't even think about the graphics.

If Nintendo would ever change the way they were, they wouldn't be Nintendo anymore. And all you losers out there who think the games are too kidish to play or that they don't have good games like the PS2 and XBOX do, well then you all have problems and I have no idea what you are doing in a Gamecube forum.

jaz013 · « **Reply #58 on:** December 21, 2003, 01:45:31 PM »

About the violence and gore in games, none of you would belive the amount of people planning to get Manhunt just for the "violence thing" (heek, I even heard several guys calling it "the violence's game").

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #59 on:** December 21, 2003, 01:54:56 PM »

Oh, I can believe it- the same thing happened with Grand Theft Auto III. Even though I love the game (near 100% completion), people were buying it because of the blood, guts, and guns, not because it was a truly great game. Too many people base their buying decisions on a game's image rather than it's quality. Maybe the reason Nintendo appeals to so many younger people is because they haven't been jaded by society and can honestly enjoy a truly fun game. I also think the reason many people regard Nintendo fans as more hardcore than other gamers (at least by Nintendo fans

) is because almost by definition we don't care about the content of a videogame, but rather it's quality. Nintendo has never made a game soley off of image, and as a result Nintendo fans have learned not to judge a game base on its image. I don't mean that in an arrogant or superior way, but you honestly cannot be a Nintendo fan if you're worried about how a game looks than how it plays.

evil intentions · « **Reply #60 on:** December 21, 2003, 02:41:49 PM »

That's exactly what I meant up above.

nolimit19 · « **Reply #61 on:** December 21, 2003, 06:08:57 PM »

nintendo is ok for now, but they will certainly lose some of their handheld market share to sony when they release the psp. only time will tell how much nintendo is affected by it. i think the reason people spell doom and gloom for nintendo is because their market share has been declining for quite some time now. and we even saw nintendo post loses for the first time ever recently. i dont think the doom and gloom is without warrent. where there is smoke there is usually fire. nintendo needs to step it up to stay in business. despite what people say they CAN NOT stay where they are right now. they need to improve, because like i said they are LOSING market share all the time. now that has changed in the the last couple months since the cube price drop....but that is the key. the success of nintendo is due to a price drop....not really because of a great new game that people wanted. if nintendo did not drop its price, mario kart would have done well, and gc would have sold well, but no where near where it is now. no matter how much i like nintendo, they need to change their image. they dont need to give mario a gun, but they need to make him cool and make nintendo cool, instead of kiddy. also the 64 was doing better then the gamecube at this point in its life. the end

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #62 on:** December 21, 2003, 06:11:55 PM »

Blah, blah, blah- same old crap, nolimit. So far the debate has been pretty original. Simple contradiction is not debating.

nolimit19 · « **Reply #63 on:** December 21, 2003, 06:22:12 PM »

well i wasnt really debating. i agree with everything you said. well everything i read. the point i make is that i always hear people say NINTENDO DOESNT NEED TO CHANGE....or people on the complete oposite side...GIVE MARIO A GUN AND GIVE PEACH BOOBS!! they are both wrong. nintendo doesnt need to become more "mature" to become cool, but they shouldnt take the kiddy image lying down. they dont want to be the console just for kids, and at the begining of this generation, that was the image that they gave off. i think nintendo is fine the way they are, but from a business stand point, there is no way they can expect to be at the top of the industry with the image they have (had). they need to become cool. its what EVERY business strives for, and nintendo is no different...they have just done a bad job of it. upgrading the gameboy was a big step in the right direction and will help them against sonys hand held release...but i already hear people hyping the crap out of it...you just dont hear that when it comes to nintendo.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #64 on:** December 21, 2003, 06:25:37 PM »

I don't really see how Nintendo CAN change, though, at least not outwardly. Sure, there's a bunch of behind the scenes things they can change, but their games are perfectly fine- I honestly see no reason to change them. Even Nintendo's marketing has become much better in recent times. There's really nothing to add on that subject that hasn't already been beaten to death.

nolimit19 · « **Reply #65 on:** December 21, 2003, 06:38:25 PM »

yea i do not have an answer. i dont know what they need to do. all i know is that they need to become cool. if it were an easy thing to do, they would have already done it. i think games like a realistic zelda or maybe more realistic games would help. im not saying turn mario into gta, but maybe not making virtualy all their games have a horridly cartoony look would help. i was some what sickened by the look of mario kart personally. im still going to get it and love it...but its the little things like that, that will change the nintendo image. it wont change over night, but it is definitely moving in the right direction as of right now.

Mario · « **Reply #66 on:** December 21, 2003, 09:57:51 PM »

It's possible for Nintendo to be number one again without freaking changing, and merely putting blood into games that normally wouldn't have blood will not result in more sales. You know what i think Nintendo need to do to be more successful? Make better games and advertise better. The end.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #67 on:** December 21, 2003, 09:59:31 PM »

Advertise better? Yes. Make better games? Is that possible?

Mario · « **Reply #68 on:** December 21, 2003, 10:02:36 PM »

Certainly, Super Mario Sunshine could have had more than 7 different levels, Luigi's Mansion could have had more than one way of sucking up ghosts, Animal Crossing could have been more entertaining, Wind Waker could have had more dungeons, etc.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #69 on:** December 21, 2003, 10:07:43 PM »

By that token, every #$@& game ever made could be better- why are we singling out Nintendo when their games are still leagues ahead of everybody else's?

Mario · « **Reply #70 on:** December 21, 2003, 10:15:24 PM »

...just saying that it's possible for Nintendo to make better games, is all. IMO third partys are getting much better, and Nintendo well, arent.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #71 on:** December 21, 2003, 10:23:48 PM »

Some 3rd parties are improving, most are growing too lazy to make even a halfway decent game. The only 3rd party, in my opinion, that has shown significant improvement as of late is Ubi Soft.

And I think Nintendo's games are vastly improving- didn't you say yourself, Mario, that the Gamecube was your favorite system, and yet you think their games are worse?

Mario · « **Reply #72 on:** December 21, 2003, 10:37:44 PM »

Yes, thats because the GameCube has more Nintendo games, and great third party games the N64 would never even dream of seeing. With the N64, my favourite games were Super Mario 64 and the Zelda's, and right now my favourite games are Viewtiful Joe and Soul Calibur 2, which are third party games. Super Mario 64 was much better than Super Mario Sunshine (although i still really love SMS), and i think Majoras Mask and OoT are much better than Wind Waker (although thats pure opinion, i can understand liking Wind Waker more). I have to admit though, i absolutely love Pikmin and Luigi's Mansion, maybe more so than SMS and TWW. It's just that last gen, Nintendo had those massive, awesome games that they poured so much money and development time into, like Super Mario 64 and OoT, and in my opinion, Nintendo havent made a game of that caliber since. Im hoping Mario 128 will be something special, if it even exists.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #73 on:** December 21, 2003, 11:00:06 PM »

While SM64 and OoT/MM may have been better, they were about it- we also have to remember that OoT and SM64 had the beenfit of being the first 3D entries into their respective series, which goes a long way towards gaining the appeal of its players. I think Nintendo's not only improved in their current genres, but has done a great job expanding to other ones as well, and as a whole have definitely improved.

Mario · « **Reply #74 on:** December 21, 2003, 11:27:13 PM »

Oh indeed they've done a great job expanding genres, it amazes me how they thought up Pikmin and Luigi's Mansion. And Wario Ware GC, Donkey Konga, Giftpia and a few others that have slipped my mind at the moment, are all looking promising, and Nintendo have never made (or published) games like that before. But i wont think Nintendo have improved until they release a game better than Super Mario 64, which i regard as the greatest game of all time.

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