Author Topic: the end of humanity (Read 48447 times)

nolimit19 · « **Reply #175 on:** October 22, 2003, 08:15:49 PM »

when you say sfa you mean star fox adventure?

im not sure because i never played it. i think a good example of a game that i think many would say is entertaining but not good is that whore volleyball for xbox or maybe gta.....i have never played whore volleyball, but it seems like boobs are entertaining to hormone driven males.....but i also heard it wasnt even that good of a volleyball game....whore volleyball for xbox might actually be a textbook example of a game that is entertaining but not good....to me its harder to say what a good video game is because its a relatively new industry. its not like the movie industry that has been around for over 100 years.....video games as we know them have been around for just over 20 years....and 20 years in the the movie industry didnt produce the best movies, but as time went on and people realized what made a good movie, we saw the development of the industry. i think you will see similar growth in video games(hopefully)....but maybe not...we are deep in a consumerism age where everything is just about making money....video games have so much potential, but when your sole purpose of making a game, movie, or music is to make money, growth is stagnent......and its because of all this that i think that lowering of standards on tv helps nothing for no one. so to review...

lowering of standards --->stagnent growth----->loss of quality---->stupid consumers----->fall of humanity

well maybe i will revise that later, but it looks right.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #176 on:** October 22, 2003, 08:26:08 PM »

But it ISN'T lowering of standards- that's what I've been getting at this whole time! No one is going to grow up to be a prostitute or thief because they heard the word f*** on the TV withOUT the bleep. It's a word, man, and words don't have standards, or at least they shouldn't. Standards are put on words artificially and arbitrarily, for seemingly no reason whatsoever. Tell me, WHY is crap ago and sh** is not? Why is screw okay and f*** is not? Why is darn okay and damn is not? Tell me, what negative impact is the lifting of censorship going to have on our country? Do you lay awake at night, sleepless because a word most everybody uses anyway is now allowed on network television, and that somehow it will bring about the downfall of the human race? I'm completely, utterly, and entirely perplexed as to HOW this is a bad thing- in fact, I thought you were being sarcastic when I first read this thread. I honestly couldn't believe that someone could not only be so selfish as to think that since THEY don't want this word allowed on TV, it SHOULDN'T, but as to how on Earth the FCC acknowleding a change of times is in anyway bad. I just can't fathom it! In 30 years your life is going to be no different because of this decision, for better or for worse. This is NOT a landmark decision, and I constantly wonder why people are so worked up about it. Don't you have better things to spend precious time worrying about than what words can and cannott be said on television? IT doesn't make a shred of sense!

nolimit19 · « **Reply #177 on:** October 22, 2003, 08:33:20 PM »

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nolimit: I'd trust the people the movies were made for above the art critic-like snobs who don't want to like anything the "common folk" do.

well i certainly wouldnt...when i hear hoards of people saying spider man was awesome.........when i hear people say they cant wair for the 3rd installment fast and hte furious....when i hear people say dare devil was anything less than horendous....when i hear people say a beautiful mind was a pointless movie....when i hear people say the 2nd matrix was better then the first......i simply cant trust what people say...would you trust the "peoples" taste in art....no, most people dont know what makes art good....and thats fine, but they arent knoledgable on the subject and shouldnt be taken too seriously. most people wouldnt notice bad acting if it punched them in the eye. and the fact that movies like triple x can be box office successes does not help me think any better of the average person with their taste in movies....the snobs in the movie industry at least know what is good....how can you know something is good if you dont even know what is supposed to make it good? i actually think that lotr are some of the better movies made in the past couple years, but like i said my judgement is clouded because i thought it got too far away from the book...so i am extremely bias when it comes to those movies. but the point....unless people have at least a decent knowledge on the subject, their opinions should probably be ignored.

edit: the only thing that you said that was right was that i wrote it out of sarcasm....i actually was semi sarcastic when i put that thread title. but the fact still remains that words hurt people...you are basiclaly saying that words should NOT have the power to hurt people....that is obviously wrong....they do...they always have ... and they always will have the power to offend people. also this is a landmark descion. and lastly this will affect everyones life in the next 30 years....that was the most incorrect thing anyone wrote in the existance of this thread...tv literally controls a lot of what we think...its a huge influence on our culture....and for better or for worse...in 30 years...this will make a difference in out culture. also it may not lower your standards, but it lowers the standards of any english speaking human being that finds the word offensive....and there are a few who do.

ThePerm · « **Reply #178 on:** October 22, 2003, 10:04:59 PM »

actually...i think gta is throughly entertaining...its not well made..its glitchy and all...but i can really enjoy myself whic makesi t good in my book. I like gta for the same reason i like super mario 64...you cand do a bunch of silly stupid stuff.

nolimit19 · « **Reply #179 on:** October 23, 2003, 04:44:09 AM »

that is quite similar to what i believe.....except i take it a step farther to say that unless something is well made, i can not be great. meaning of of the best of all time....just my personal belief.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #180 on:** October 24, 2003, 10:42:29 PM »

I'm sorry if I'm reviving a dead debate, if that is indeed what I'm doing, but I came across this quote from an interview with George Carlin that describes my sentiments on the subject exactly:

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From The Onion A.V. Club

O: A few of the seven words are actually on TV now, where you've got "sh**" on Chicago Hope. How do you feel about that?

GC: Well, it's always been kind of a false arrangement anyway. When I was a little boy, I was taught to look up to policemen, look up to military personnel, and look up to sports figures. We all know how they speak, so apparently the message was, "These people have not been corrupted morally; therefore, I can derive from that that dirty language didn't corrupt them morally." There's no foundation for this language being harmful in any way; it's just rude to some people, less rude to others. So it's one of those fake barriers that's rooted in a fake morality about sex, the body parts that produce sexual experience—and, as it happens, bathroom experience—and an ultimate fear of the human body and sexuality. And therefore, I don't honor those arbitrary demarcations, and that's that. [Laughs.]

Termin8Anakin · « **Reply #181 on:** October 25, 2003, 04:22:56 AM »

Hey Mouse.
You know WHY celebs and famous people (well, the really trashy ones, anyway - it's up to you to decide who those trashy ones are) can cuss? cause they can get away with it! And you know why they believe that all this is a fake barrier? Cause THEY are the ones that 'control' the barrier by influencing other poeple on hpow to act and behave!
Just by posting that quote you have proved that to be true!
YOU are influenced by that quote, using it yourself to say that swearing is ok.
EVERYONE is influenced! It's a question of WHO is influencing you that is MY point!

I know that they don't do it on purpose, though. They only behave like that cause they have money to burn, and when some of them get famous, their ego gets inflated to massive proportions. I like to laugh my ass off when celebs get arrested or humiliated because of something they did wrong that they thought was right (not Natalie POrtman or Kiera Knightley of course, cause I would come to their rescue!

) cause it means that when they go out and do what they want to do cause feel like they are the law, they get pulled right back down and told who their daddy is.

Unless you have anything else to add, i am done here.

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #182 on:** October 25, 2003, 07:44:44 AM »

I must be a celebrity! I curse and get away with it all the time! You know though, I don't need George Carlin to tell me something I thought up by myself, the point is that someone else put it into better words than us, not we think he is better than us.

As for not trusting people's opinions, well, some people obviously don't trust yours, so don't worry about other opinions unless you intend to understand them, not correct them.

As for the world being gooey in the 70's, I guess you missed Vietnam. You know the war where millions of americans were shipped off to a small little part of Asia? Has the world ever been gooey? You would be kidding yourself to think so, the things we value and hold so high are often enough things far different from what we think them to be.

Did people curse a whole lot in WW2, obviously.
Did people curse a whole lot in the 50's, leave it to beaver or not, yes.
In the 60's did people curse? Do I really have to answer that one?

I mean the idea that a lot of the 'horrendous' things like cursing or nudity are going to fall away is just insane. You talk about how much worse tv and movies have got, look at james bond. In 'the spy who loved me' there is more than a little nudity. In fact there are several minuts of nudity. Lets review now, Titanic almost got an R rating for 8 seconds of nudity, the spy who loved me received a pg rating. hmmmmm

The Omen · « **Reply #183 on:** October 25, 2003, 07:54:22 AM »

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Did people curse a whole lot in WW2, obviously.
Did people curse a whole lot in the 50's, leave it to beaver or not, yes.
In the 60's did people curse? Do I really have to answer that one?

Was cursing on TV in the 40's. No, obviously.
Was cursing on TV in the 50's, no
How about the 60's,? Do i even have to answer that one?

This thread is about tv. Almost all of us have admitted that cursing is a part of society.

About Veitnam. Great observation. Unfortunately, here in the U.S. , it was still a safer place during that time than it is now. People are out of control. Kids have to be in the house by nightfall on Halloween! We just had a teacher get mugged so this dufus kid could buy lunch. Just curious, you think its a safer world now? People=sh!t (hows that for censorship?)

By the way, we're going to take advice from a man who is unfunny UNLESS he curses? Wow, i am so surprised he took that stance.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #184 on:** October 25, 2003, 08:25:17 AM »

Termin8: George Carlin is a comedian- do you realise just how hard comedians have to work to attain celebrity? My uncle is a famous comedian, and he's easily the hardest working man I know. And George Carlin is known far and wide as being, most likely, the hardest working man in show business. People like him don't change theirs views simply because more people know who they are. That opinion right there is what has shaped Geroge Carlin's comedy, too, and is pretty much what made him famouse. Calling him a celebrity isn't very accurate, either, because it likens him more to people like Tom Cruise or Brittany Spears.

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Was cursing on TV in the 40's. No, obviously.
Was cursing on TV in the 50's, no
How about the 60's,? Do i even have to answer that one?

This thread is about tv. Almost all of us have admitted that cursing is a part of society.

That's our whole point, though- television would be an unrealistic portrayal of society if it didn't have swearing. And what manunited was trying to get at was the very time periods you say our country was not corrupted still had swearing, just not on tv, so obviously swearing doesn't morally corrupt you. Why, then, should it not be allowed on tv?

The Omen · « **Reply #185 on:** October 25, 2003, 09:25:14 AM »

There also are parameters that have to be put in place, not for me and you, but for those who cant choose. If you think everything can go on air, and have no effect on those that are still impressionable, then that to me is an inherent moral problem in itself. And, no , i dont think cursing was as prevalent as it is now, especially among the youth. My point being, seeing as it wasn't on TV then, and people had no problem with it, why is it all of the sudden deemed neccessary? Because peoples morals have retreated , and its not just cursing, i agree, but its a part of a bigger picture. Obviously, i know that cursing isnt the main culprit, but my argument has relevance because cursing on top of already questionable shows airing now, just equals even more acceptance of garbage by society. Until your dream of words having no meaning comes to fruition, and it is a dream, than there have to be parameters. Do you think porn should be aired on network TV as well? (well, we all do, but you know...) Where do you draw the line? A world without law beckons chaos.

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #186 on:** October 25, 2003, 01:41:03 PM »

In the same idea a world that needs no laws has no chaos. If you want to get hypothetical why don't we all right books like Orwell and Huxley did and just get it over with.

Were you there in the 50's, 60's 40's etc? If not, prove people cursed less. The 60's is known for profanity slurred slogans, how is that a 'better time.'

The Omen · « **Reply #187 on:** October 25, 2003, 02:29:47 PM »

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Were you there in the 50's, 60's 40's etc? If not, prove people cursed less. The 60's is known for profanity slurred slogans, how is that a 'better time.'

Doesn't that relegate your post to nothing status then? Because you certainly werent there in WW2, right?

First of all, children most definately cursed less . I dont have to be there to know that its been a downward slope since the 60's. I do have parents, grandparents and so on. nobody said it was perfect, but to act like everything is the same now is just asinine. I know you guys dont believe in the crime statistics i spouted off, but they dont lie. Even 20 years ago we could go out and trick or treat until 11 or 12, as long as we were in the vicinity. You cant do that now, at least not here. Also, were there metal detectors in schools in the 60's and 70's? They're almost mandatory now. Tell me what is better now than 30 years ago, in terms of 'people issues'?

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #188 on:** October 25, 2003, 02:33:01 PM »

Right, kids cursed less back then because now we're starting to realise that they're just words and aren't going to corrupt anyone.

Ms.Pikmin · « **Reply #189 on:** October 25, 2003, 02:45:40 PM »

I'm not going to get sucked back into this debate. However, I must say you are living in a bubble if you think George Carlin is known far and wide as the hardest working man in show business.

The Omen · « **Reply #190 on:** October 25, 2003, 02:46:37 PM »

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Right, kids cursed less back then because now we're starting to realise that they're just words and aren't going to corrupt anyone.

Yeah, because kids often think so deliberately before speaking.

I have said the curses alone are not going to corrupt anyone. Put it in tandem with the rest of the garbage, and it will. Mouse-clicker, you're 15, right? You still dont curse all the time, because you know sometimes its inappropriate. And why is it inappropriate? Because of what the words mean> And if the words are used in a derogatory manner worldwide, than i am sorry to tell you, those words have meanings. You cant change that. Unless you massacre everyone under 10, and start over with these new rules.
And still, nobody has told me , what is better now?

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #191 on:** October 25, 2003, 03:00:28 PM »

Bubble schmubble- maybe you don't understand how hard being a comedian is, how much they work. I have infinite admiration and respect for comics that have worked hard to build up their career, and that man is George Carlin. Name me one comedian, or even celebrity, that has worked harder than he has. If you knew anything about the man, you'd be hard pressed to come up with anybody.

And don't put words into my mouth, Omen- I don't swear all the time because I think it's a sign of being uncreative and unintelligent. I pride myself on having an extensive vocabulary and I don't put that vocabulary to much use if I swear all the time. I also won't swear if the person I'm talking to would be offended by it- I may disagree with them but I'm mindful of their wishes.

Ms.Pikmin · « **Reply #192 on:** October 25, 2003, 06:21:14 PM »

Mouse, I know comedians work very hard. My statement has nothing to do with a lack of respect for their hard work. It has to do with your overstatement that George Carlin is "known far and wide" as the hardest working man in show business. It may be your opinion (and that's fine) but that doesn't make it a fact.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #193 on:** October 25, 2003, 06:43:38 PM »

Well, we can sit here and debate opinion and fact all day, but I quite simply can't fathom anyone who's even the least bit educated on George Carlin not considering him one of the hardest working men in show business, and I accept that people can have differeing opinions, but I just can't respect someone's case if they refute that George Carlin is not a very hard working man.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #194 on:** October 25, 2003, 06:53:45 PM »

lol.... Mouse Clicker, this is something that I truly could care less about, so I am not going to bother debating this with you, but don't you think you are being just a *little* opinionated and unreasonable?

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #195 on:** October 25, 2003, 06:55:39 PM »

Oh of course!

I've been opinionated and unreasonable since the beginning, but the debate's no fun otherwise.

I hope you guys aren't taking any of this personally.

And you AREN'T saying George Carlin isn't one of the hardest working men in the business, are you?

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #196 on:** October 25, 2003, 06:57:59 PM »

Mouse, the thing is that it's just not fun debating with someone who holds to opinions as fact, and doesn't give an inch. It migjt be fine and dandy for you, but the people you are fighting with may learn to hate you, or treat you like an immature child.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #197 on:** October 25, 2003, 07:00:48 PM »

I've only taken opinion as fact just now, and I honestly cannot respect anyone who doesn't realize the incredibly hard work George Carlin has done, because the only way I can fathom someone coming to such a conclusion is by knowing little to nothing of George Carlin, in which case I can't take their opinon seriously. If we're going to be all for having opinions, why shouldn't I be able to have my opinion on your opinion?

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #198 on:** October 25, 2003, 07:04:34 PM »

I was just saying that it's not an undebatable fact that George Carlin is the hardest working man in show business. It's your opinion, and it's not something that's undebatable. That would be like me saying that it's an undebatable fact that Super Mario Bros 3 is the greatest platformer ever. Get what I am saying?

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #199 on:** October 25, 2003, 07:08:43 PM »

Right, but there are different levels of debatability- it's fairly debatable over whether or not SMB3 is the greatest platformer. It is NOT very debatable that George Carlin is one of the hardest working men in show business. It's like trying to debate which is better, Crash Bandicoot or Super Mario Bros. 3.

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