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Re: Fire Emblem Fates
« Reply #75 on: December 03, 2015, 11:43:31 PM »
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Pre-orders go live tomorrow @ 1PM for EBGames in Canada. Good luck!


They didn't give a time zone, unfortunately, but EST or PST are by far the most likely.
I should be able to get online for EST so will be holding my breath.  If I miss it, I'll just settle by getting Awakening instead.
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« Reply #76 on: December 04, 2015, 12:20:49 AM »
EB is Eastern time.

I got mine from Amazon tonight, but I may have other sources anyway.
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« Reply #77 on: December 04, 2015, 01:44:22 PM »
Less than 20 minutes of availability, severe website issues prevented access, and my window is closing... but at least I knew there was going to be an opportunity even if it was missed.

Pretty disappointed. Might try an in-store reservation. Might decide not to care.


Edit: Looks like local store not accepting any more preorders. C'est la vie.
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Re: Fire Emblem Fates
« Reply #78 on: January 23, 2016, 01:16:22 PM »
I'm feeling the hype even though I never finished Awakening. Damn beautfiul trailers.

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« Reply #79 on: January 23, 2016, 08:46:06 PM »
I just compiled the reasons I'm not particularly excited for this game in my Reader Review thread, were I also harassed the hell out of Fire Emblem: Awakening. Feel free to check it out!
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« Reply #80 on: January 24, 2016, 02:56:19 AM »
I am tempted to write a counter to your 10 by listing the 10 things I am most excited about for Fates while giving kudos to Awakening ;)


Though I do agree with your problems with Awakening. I just feel the good far outweighs the bad.
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« Reply #81 on: January 25, 2016, 04:04:55 AM »
S00 looking forward to The Fates anime-style story, hopefully with a much harder tatic to employ then awakening.
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Re: Fire Emblem Fates
« Reply #82 on: March 03, 2016, 12:43:22 PM »
1st part of a roundtable discussion with the staff behind Fire Emblem Fates.
https://youtu.be/Hr_RexOgURA

The style of the video is very reminiscent of Iwata Asks although you can also read the Iwata Asks from last year, which was the last one before Iwata passed away.
http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/3ds/fire-emblem-fates/0/0

I really like these internal Nintendo interviews as it makes Nintendo feel so much more human with lots of different people with different ideas and less like one huge entity. The recent Twilight Princess retrospective is also a great watch.
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« Reply #83 on: March 13, 2016, 03:15:50 AM »
Finished Birthright and Conquest, so I thought I'd address some of the criticisms surrounding these games.

Birthright and Conquest are, in fact, different games. They have different stories, different consequences for your decision, but most importantly, they *play* very differently. Birthright in ways is easier than Awakening and an entry point into the series. Conquest is more difficult than both Birthright and Awakening, and demands a more varied and thoughtful approach to the battles. If you don't want to play Birthright, you don't have to; like I said the stories are different and you're not going to glean much insight into Conquest's story by playing Birthright. They re-use elements like settings, music, and some characters, but that's reflected in the price. The fact is you're getting two different, lengthy gameplay experiences if you pay for both games and that's the important part when it comes to charging you twice.

The six chapters of shared content end up being two hours when you convert them to game time. Both my save files were around 35+ hours, so you're looking at two hours of shared content against 70+ hours of distinct gameplay. You can start your second or third path right from this point, so it's not as though you're playing through it multiple times either.

I'm pretty sure this was the case in Awakening as well, but the support conversations are completely avoidable by pressing start at the beginning. If you don't enjoy the "dating sim" aspect of the game you don't have to see it and you'll still get the stat boosts and paralogues. There's little benefit to using most the other features, so you can avoid those as well. The only way this is an issue is if you're offended by it being in the game in any capacity. Otherwise, you can almost completely avoid the "dating" aspects and be no worse off for it in a gameplay sense.

Unfortunately, it seems as though there is some merit to the argument that you need Revelation to get the complete story. I've only just started (currently at Chapter 10), but even as early as the first couple of chapters there's a "revelation" that goes a long way in explaining one of the more interesting questions that remains mostly unanswered in the main games. A lot of motives are likely going to be explored in much greater detail in this path.

All in all, if you loved Awakening, you're probably going to love Fates. I'm over 100 hours in when you count restart time and Revelation is still the only thing I really want to play.

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« Reply #84 on: March 13, 2016, 06:14:32 PM »
Do note that if you change your sex for another run you should not start from the branching path as it is a direct copy of your previous run, and characters that are playable based on sex like your maid/butler do not transfer stats and you end up with much weaker, under leveled versions.
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Re: Fire Emblem Fates
« Reply #85 on: March 14, 2016, 12:27:40 AM »
I'm impressed by how hard you have to try to sell this game to people that aren't interested.

Birthright is casual Fire Emblem, Conquest is classic Fire Emblem, at least, in terms of difficulty. Overall, it just sounds like more of the same. I liked support conversations when they were actually good. Are you factoring in their length when you talk about your 35 hour playtime?
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« Reply #86 on: March 14, 2016, 01:05:02 AM »
It makes no difference to me whether or not someone is interested in playing these games. If I was trying to convince people who weren't already on board, "you'll probably love this if you loved Awakening" isn't exactly the best sales pitch. I've just seen a lot of criticism thrown Fates' way that, after playing the two main games, is either greatly exaggerated or patently false.

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« Reply #87 on: March 14, 2016, 07:50:59 AM »
It makes no difference to me whether or not someone is interested in playing these games. If I was trying to convince people who weren't already on board, "you'll probably love this if you loved Awakening" isn't exactly the best sales pitch. I've just seen a lot of criticism thrown Fates' way that, after playing the two main games, is either greatly exaggerated or patently false.

A counter-point: it was your comments about the importance of the Revelation DLC that really gave weight to my choice to actively avoid this game.

What bugs me is distribution method. I'm not against paying a fair price for the extra content, but strongly dislike being forced into system-locked DLC when a full retail edition exists but just wasn't produced in sufficient numbers to meet demand. I tried to order multiple times, but wasn't able to be online during the 30 minute windows before the games sold out.

If Revelation wasn't important then maybe it wouldn't have mattered... I could just pretend the choice didn't exist and just play the harder version of the game. Being asked which path to take when it's not really an option would be annoying, but maybe not a deal breaker.  Instead you have reaffirmed that people buying the physical copy simply aren't going to get a full package without adding DLC.  Yuck.


Hugely disappointed in how this game was handled. Glad it's a success and that others are enjoying it.
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« Reply #88 on: March 14, 2016, 04:55:36 PM »
Revelation and the special edition are things I can understand people being upset about. I would have bought two paths as DLC if I didn't get the special edition, but I'm the only one in my house who is going to play this, so it isn't a big deal to me. If you've got multiple people in the same household wanting to play, the release format is definitely a problem.

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« Reply #89 on: March 14, 2016, 07:05:19 PM »
Revelation and the special edition are things I can understand people being upset about. I would have bought two paths as DLC if I didn't get the special edition, but I'm the only one in my house who is going to play this, so it isn't a big deal to me. If you've got multiple people in the same household wanting to play, the release format is definitely a problem.


My problem is that I tend to run with more than one piece of hardware, so having content locked to a single console gets annoying.  (Although I also do have 2 kids and a nephew who regularly share games. The kids are too young for it to matter, but my nephew isn't.)


I suspect we are a clear minority with this kind of situation.
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« Reply #90 on: March 17, 2016, 11:04:53 AM »
Almost done with Conquest. I can honestly say these are some of the most well designed maps. They really want to screw you over. Especially the Eternal Stairway. That map is bullshit. I had to use the Exp DLC to buff my people just to get past that. I am still enjoying the game because it is keeping you on your toes the entire time. I'm considering a Lunatic run when all the DLC releases since I know one of them gets you Anna and another allows you to make someone Ike's class.


I got Revelations downloaded and I'm going to get Birthright soon just have a complete collection. Hoping they update the game to include compatibility with the Roy amiibo. I'd like to have him for my Revelations run along with Lucina (since I just bought her for $30).


Edit: Some people say that Roy will be announced to work around April 28th, when his amiibo releases in Japan, if he is announced at all. So I can look forward to that I suppose. Seems like Direct material anyways.
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« Reply #91 on: March 17, 2016, 06:11:50 PM »
Nintendo just announced a new wave of Fates DLC. This shows that the dev team is still working on the game in some capacity and lends strongly to the possibility that Roy support will be added to the game.


That sounds an awful lot like my theory I posted on r/amiibo yesterday. Wondering if you heard it there?
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« Reply #92 on: March 17, 2016, 09:25:06 PM »
Why is DLC such an accessible method of prolonging the lives of these titles? Obviously, the story is no longer the main focus, since the three-path storyline (and the fact that you have to buy one of the "non-unified" paths before you can get the unified one) makes any sort of "established canon" a moot point. Thus, creating DLC expansions allows players to revisit stock characters in new situations so that they don't have to repeat the original, bland storyline. However, DLC support started with Awakening, which had a pretty lame plot, but not as divided as Fates is.

Since a number of these maps also feature cheesing methods, swimsuit editions and even more nonsensical plotlines, the continuation of the story seems an unlikely reason for their support. Rather, it reminds me of the Layton series and their downloadable puzzle idea, though it's more blatantly focused on money-grubbing. Maps in Fire Emblem are the entire character of the game, and once you've figured out the "gimmick" or found out your preferred method of approach, you want to see something different.

EDIT: I wonder what the Corrin Amiibo will do with this game. Maybe give you a Corrin of the opposite sex from the one you're playing as?
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« Reply #93 on: March 17, 2016, 10:56:31 PM »
There are some DLC missions which do expand on the stories and characters in a more meaningful way. There was one in Awakening that showed the alternate future kids fighting Grima before they went back in time to save their parents and the world.


There are two I can think of in Fates. One shows the three Awakening kids getting sucked out of their dimension and going into the Fates one, explaining their appearances in Fates. The second is a mission that is a prequel to the entire Awakening game, where you meet Chrom, Lissa, and Frederick.


So not ALL of it is overboard fan service...some of it is just mild fan cervice ;)
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« Reply #94 on: March 17, 2016, 11:19:35 PM »
So I'm bringing the #GenderlessDystopia (look it up) to Hoshino and Nohr one game at a time... got Rhajat and Elika to S-rank in Birthright last night. And I thought the scene was tastefully handled and I like that they didn't go out of the way to portray it as weird - well, weirder (if you rearrange the letters in Rhajat's name and played Awakening, you know why). It was like any other S rank relationship I've had, except I didn't unlock a paralogue at the end of it.

And given that the siblings in this game are absolutely bonkers, I think I'm good for not having extra characters running around. I'll save that for Revelaiton.
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« Reply #95 on: March 18, 2016, 05:19:43 AM »


That sounds an awful lot like my theory I posted on r/amiibo yesterday. Wondering if you heard it there?
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« Reply #96 on: March 20, 2016, 11:47:58 AM »
So I beat Conquest.


**** that last chapter. **** it. Fucking unlimited enemies that destroy your army. And you can't just send your most OP unit straight into the fray. Because they half your health, and then the M. Ninjas and Malig Knights slowly inch your hp away. I had people die in that ending, but **** it. That entire map is just made to **** you over. You can't go offensive, you can't go defensive. You just die and hope it isn't Corrin. God I am so mad that I had people die there.


Okay I wanted to rage about it that is all.


The ending was nice though.
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« Reply #97 on: March 23, 2016, 05:50:52 PM »
It's strange how much the last chapter of each game differ. Conquest's endgame was definitely tough, but Birthright's can be settled very quickly (and felt like it was designed to push you in that direction). I didn't have as much trouble with all that stuff as I did with the final boss in Conquest himself, whose ability to get criticals was ridiculous.

Past the half way point of Revelation, it's clear this path has the best story. I know people aren't going to like hearing this (for good reason), but it feels like the "true" path these games should have taken all along.

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« Reply #98 on: March 23, 2016, 07:24:34 PM »
Birthright, the boss was hard, but the enemies were easy. Conquest, the enemies were hard, but the boss was easy. That is how it went for me at least. A Lunatic run is going to be hell because those last few Birthright maps are hard.


I did rush through Birthright and I wasn't too happy with the story. I enjoyed how in Conquest, Corrin/Kamui had good character development and it showed off the cast of Nohr wonderfully. In Birthright, it wasn't that good. If anything, the Nohr family still had more development in Birthright then the Hoshido family. Revelations....yeah it hasn't been a fun start. The new maps are neat, but ultimately tedious so far. And they choose "the worst of" maps so far. The Conquest Wind Tribe map and the Birthright Mokushu map. The leveling seems like an absolute mess as well it feels like. I hope it gets better like you say.

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« Reply #99 on: March 23, 2016, 07:26:10 PM »
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