Author Topic: Lulzsec has been taken down (Read 4401 times)

NWR_insanolord · « **Reply #50 on:** March 15, 2012, 09:38:57 PM »

That probably has something to do with there being about 6 billion more people now than at the last time it was legal on any kind of wide scale.

TJ Spyke · « **Reply #51 on:** March 15, 2012, 09:44:33 PM »

I suppose that is doesn't help that some countries don't actually enforce their anti-slavery laws.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #52 on:** March 15, 2012, 09:55:19 PM »

Is a sentence of community service slavery? It is forced labor.

NWR_insanolord · « **Reply #53 on:** March 15, 2012, 10:02:38 PM »

Community service is done to repay a debt, in this case to society for a breach of the law. Working off a debt is not slavery. You can't be born into community service, and it has a predetermined end point.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #54 on:** March 15, 2012, 10:11:53 PM »

Not in modern times, but people used to be thrown in debtor's prison. Their children could even be born into debtor's prison.

UncleBob · « **Reply #55 on:** March 15, 2012, 10:31:35 PM »

Of course, you've always got your various sex slaves, sex traffickers and underage prostitution rings, both overseas and here in the states.

Just guessing, without any real facts at hand, I'd say a large percentage of today's slaves are in some way directly related to the sex trade industry.

TJ Spyke · « **Reply #56 on:** March 15, 2012, 11:00:06 PM »

UNICEF estimates that there are about 1.75 million sexual slaves (current estimates are about 12 million total worldwide)

NWR_insanolord · « **Reply #57 on:** March 15, 2012, 11:50:50 PM »

Quote from: ShyGuy on March 15, 2012, 10:11:53 PM

Not in modern times, but people used to be thrown in debtor's prison. Their children could even be born into debtor's prison.

That's true, but I was assuming you were referring to the current practice. A lot of things about the past sucked.

Chozo Ghost · « **Reply #58 on:** March 16, 2012, 12:00:56 AM »

Quote from: NWR_insanolord on March 15, 2012, 09:38:57 PM

That probably has something to do with there being about 6 billion more people now than at the last time it was legal on any kind of wide scale.

I've heard if you took the sum total of every currently dead person who ever lived throughout all of history and added them all up, the amount would be less than the people who are currently living.

NWR_insanolord · « **Reply #59 on:** March 16, 2012, 12:18:39 AM »

That can't be right, unless you're using a very recent date for the start of history.

S-U-P-E-R · « **Reply #60 on:** March 16, 2012, 12:19:25 AM »

Nah that's a myth

http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/dead.asp

TJ Spyke · « **Reply #61 on:** March 16, 2012, 12:23:19 AM »

According to 2007 study in Scientific American, the Earth would need to have a current population of about 100 billion for that to be true (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=fact-or-fiction-living-outnumber-dead).

Edit: S-U-P-E-R beat me to it.

S-U-P-E-R · « **Reply #62 on:** March 16, 2012, 08:00:47 AM »

So the word on the street is that LulzSec was an FBI trap from the very beginning

Zap · « **Reply #63 on:** June 16, 2012, 12:23:14 PM »

caught another one!~

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-14/-lulzsec-associated-indicted-in-u-s-for-hack-attacks.html

S-U-P-E-R · « **Reply #64 on:** June 16, 2012, 05:40:13 PM »

Golly, I sure hope I'm not arrested from overseas by large media corporations in the future

TJ Spyke · « **Reply #65 on:** June 16, 2012, 05:47:22 PM »

Quote from: S-U-P-E-R on June 16, 2012, 05:40:13 PM

Golly, I sure hope I'm not arrested from overseas by large media corporations in the future

Don't break the law by hacking websites and you have nothing to worry about.

broodwars · « **Reply #66 on:** June 16, 2012, 05:54:52 PM »

Quote from: TJ Spyke on June 16, 2012, 05:47:22 PM

Quote from: S-U-P-E-R on June 16, 2012, 05:40:13 PM
Golly, I sure hope I'm not arrested from overseas by large media corporations in the future

Don't break the law by hacking websites and you have nothing to worry about.

Yeah, I have to side with TJ Spyke on this one. This isn't some morally gray area like a guy arrested for hacking his own property. The guy was hacking the computers of others, including the Pentagon's if I read that article correctly. The guy deserved to get caught and he deserves to spend time in prison.

S-U-P-E-R · « **Reply #67 on:** June 16, 2012, 06:20:59 PM »

Yeah man **** criminals, they don't deserve any rights. He's not an American citizen so maybe they could have just saved some money and killed him with a unmanned drone.

Meanwhile, it seems like he may not be extradited:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/jun/15/lulzsec-ryan-cleary-escape-extradition-us
No mention of the Pentagon in this article for some reason. Did they drop that charge or something?

broodwars · « **Reply #68 on:** June 16, 2012, 07:00:44 PM »

Quote from: S-U-P-E-R on June 16, 2012, 06:20:59 PM

Yeah man **** criminals, they don't deserve any rights. He's not an American citizen so maybe they could have just saved some money and killed him with a unmanned drone.

I really don't know how you jumped to that from "He committed a crime, and he deserves to be in prison". No one was saying anything near what you sarcastically suggested.

S-U-P-E-R · « **Reply #69 on:** June 16, 2012, 07:01:34 PM »

Well it's the funhouse, I'm in full on hyperbole mode

S-U-P-E-R · « **Reply #70 on:** June 16, 2012, 07:11:57 PM »

More seriously though, of course he should go to trial. Extradition to the U.S. though? No way. And it seems like the UK authorities are potentially with me on this one.

NWR_insanolord · « **Reply #71 on:** June 16, 2012, 07:41:12 PM »

If he hacked the Pentagon and other U.S.-based computers why shouldn't he have to face trial in the U.S.?

S-U-P-E-R · « **Reply #72 on:** June 16, 2012, 08:10:26 PM »

He can be tried for those charges in the UK, according to the Guardian article.

TJ Spyke · « **Reply #73 on:** June 16, 2012, 09:11:55 PM »

The article doesn't say the the UK government is considering it, just that his attorney will try to make it happen and only because US authorities would consider dropping the extradition request if the UK authorities charge him with the same crimes.

UncleBob · « **Reply #74 on:** June 16, 2012, 09:37:45 PM »

Before this gets too political, let me say - the US Government is not Team America: World Police.

The UK Government has a right - and a responsibility - to protect the citizens under the crown from foreign powers who wish to do them harm. Just the same as our government does. If some random country came in and started accusing our citizens of crimes, I would fully expect our government to step up to the plate and make sure things are kosher.

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Author Topic: Lulzsec has been taken down (Read 4401 times)