Author Topic: OFFICIAL Metal Gear Discussion (Read 234417 times)

Sirmorphix · « **Reply #950 on:** April 04, 2004, 06:35:56 PM »

A bunch of FoxDie info and some Metal Gear Solid 2 spoilers in relation to it all:

In Metal Gear Solid 2, it is revealed by the Bizzare Ocelot/Liquid combination that Naomi passed Snake over for the FoxDie Program. Now while Ocelot/Liquid believes this to be true, it's never proven wether or not it's actually true. However it is also revealed in the Metal Gear universe through some of the books released through Konami that Snake breaks Naomi out of jail. So maybe she has given him the antidote or maybe Snake knows how much time he has left or at the very least how the FoxDie was modified at the last momment by Naomi. It's all very complicated.

The main reason why the FoxDie is not extensively spoken about in Metal Gear Solid 2 is because the main character is Raiden and not Snake. It turned a lot of people off the game, but I think it was an interesting take on the game, where you play as a realtive rookie and get to see Snake, the hardened vetran work his stuff. Seeing as how Metal Gear Solid 3 is supposed to be the last entry in the series I guess we're all going to see the final results of FoxDie.

vudu · « **Reply #951 on:** April 05, 2004, 10:29:13 AM »

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Seeing as how Metal Gear Solid 3 is supposed to be the last entry in the series I guess we're all going to see the final results of FoxDie.

but isn't mgs3 set in the 60s?

CaseyRyback · « **Reply #952 on:** April 05, 2004, 11:40:53 AM »

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Seeing as how Metal Gear Solid 3 is supposed to be the last entry in the series I guess we're all going to see the final results of FoxDie.
but isn't mgs3 set in the 60s?

yes it is and there is more Metal Gear coming. Kojima said he was done with Metal Gear after 3. Metal Gear online is still in the works though

SearanoX · « **Reply #953 on:** April 05, 2004, 12:07:21 PM »

It's not confirmed that Metal Gear Solid 3 is in the 1960's. After all, why would it be called Metal Gear Solid 3 if it's a prequel? I think that the storyline just contains references to what happened in the 1960's. Plus, Snake is show to be using newer technology such as thermal goggles and electronic binoculars.

Aretak · « **Reply #954 on:** April 06, 2004, 02:42:00 AM »

The jungle part that we've seen so far is set in the 60's... but who's to say that's the entire game? I don't know how many of you were paying attention to it at the time, but prior to Metal Gear Solid 2's release, nothing of Raiden's mission had been shown. Every video and screenshot was from the Tanker section. It's hardly an impossibility that the jungle section only makes up a small part of the game before it reverts to more familiar territory.

SearanoX · « **Reply #955 on:** April 06, 2004, 11:12:41 AM »

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The jungle part that we've seen so far is set in the 60's... but who's to say that's the entire game? I don't know how many of you were paying attention to it at the time, but prior to Metal Gear Solid 2's release, nothing of Raiden's mission had been shown. Every video and screenshot was from the Tanker section. It's hardly an impossibility that the jungle section only makes up a small part of the game before it reverts to more familiar territory.

What you say is true, but I'd like to see proof that the jungle is in fact set in the 1960's. As far as I know, this is pure speculation based on the trailer and there has been no confirmation at all of anything.

Oh, and it's been confirmed that most of the game will take place in the jungle, but the latter portion (around 30% from what I can remember) will be traditional indoor sneaking.

Caliban · « **Reply #956 on:** April 06, 2004, 12:46:14 PM »

Sorry to interrupt your conversation on MGS3, but I've got a question from MGS:TTS. Well I finished this game in 10h38m(Easy Mode) for my first time playing it(Hoorah), and so what I want to ask is: Who is this character Revolver Ocelot was talking to at the very end which went by the name Solidus? Is he mentioned or does he appear on MGS2:SOL?
Btw, in my opinion this is certainly one of the few games that have a great storyline and now I can see why it is so praised.

Aretak · « **Reply #957 on:** April 06, 2004, 03:16:05 PM »

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The jungle part that we've seen so far is set in the 60's... but who's to say that's the entire game? I don't know how many of you were paying attention to it at the time, but prior to Metal Gear Solid 2's release, nothing of Raiden's mission had been shown. Every video and screenshot was from the Tanker section. It's hardly an impossibility that the jungle section only makes up a small part of the game before it reverts to more familiar territory.

What you say is true, but I'd like to see proof that the jungle is in fact set in the 1960's. As far as I know, this is pure speculation based on the trailer and there has been no confirmation at all of anything.

Oh, and it's been confirmed that most of the game will take place in the jungle, but the latter portion (around 30% from what I can remember) will be traditional indoor sneaking.

Kojima has himself said that the game will be set in the 60's during an interview. You'll have to find it yourself... mainly because I'm lazy.

As for the information regarding it being set in the jungle... like I said, don't trust a word Kojima says (including what I mentioned above). He has a passion for not revealing things about the Metal Gear Solid games prior to their release, and like I said, it could turn out to be a completely different game to what we've seen so far (as Metal Gear Solid 2 did).

We won't truly know much at all about Snake Eater until it's finally released.

Caliban:

Solidus is the leader of the enemy group (their name is Dead Cell) which you go up against in Metal Gear Solid 2. Trust me, you don't want to know anything more about him or it'll spoil Metal Gear Solid 2 for you... but rest assured, he plays a MAJOR role in that game.

Interestingly, in the original Ocelot doesn't mention the name "Solidus" in that sequence... he calls him "Mr. President". That is explained in Metal Gear Solid 2 as well.

Caliban · « **Reply #958 on:** April 06, 2004, 03:56:19 PM »

Aretak, thanks for the info and also for not spoiling it to me on info that is on MGS2.

vudu · « **Reply #959 on:** April 06, 2004, 04:33:19 PM »

warning: ending spoilers to the max

quick question: at the end of the game we find out the liquid has all of big boss' dominate genes and solid has all his recessive genes. why then does solid have brown hair and liquid have blonde? from what i remember of biology, brown hair color is on a dominate gene and blond is on a recessive gene. so shouldn't liquid be brown-haired and solid be blonde? can i chalk this up to an oversight?

Berny · « **Reply #960 on:** April 06, 2004, 07:18:46 PM »

We don't know that Liquid was dominant do we? I thought Solidus only said that Solid was not and that they thought he was to the very end. Couldn't Solidus in fact be the dominant one? I don't remember Ocelot's exact words though so I could be wrong.

akdaman1 · « **Reply #961 on:** April 06, 2004, 10:17:10 PM »

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quick question: at the end of the game we find out the liquid has all of big boss' dominate genes and solid has all his recessive genes. why then does solid have brown hair and liquid have blonde? from what i remember of biology, brown hair color is on a dominate gene and blond is on a recessive gene. so shouldn't liquid be brown-haired and solid be blonde? can i chalk this up to an oversight?

You think way tooooo hard.

Anyway I beat the game for my 4th time. I wont play it again for a week or so because I got into POP again. ( Which aint that great ).

Sirmorphix · « **Reply #962 on:** April 06, 2004, 10:28:59 PM »

MGS3 is leading you to believe it's set in the 1960's but if it is, then the main character couldn't be snake because, well, snake would be way too young to look like that in the 1960's. So if the game is set in the 1960's then it is most likely that you are playing not as snake but rather as someone else... someone like Big Boss.

I think the whole 1960's part of the game will be a short kind of prequel where the player play as... Big Boss. Kind of similar to MGS2 where the tanker sequence of the game is a short prequel to the events that occur latter where you play as Raiden instead of Snake. So in MGS3, if the 1960's part of the game is indeed a prequel and players later take up the role of snake once again, then perhaps we will learn more of snake and the somewhat mysterious FoxDie.

Aretak · « **Reply #963 on:** April 07, 2004, 03:12:31 AM »

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warning: ending spoilers to the max

quick question: at the end of the game we find out the liquid has all of big boss' dominate genes and solid has all his recessive genes. why then does solid have brown hair and liquid have blonde? from what i remember of biology, brown hair color is on a dominate gene and blond is on a recessive gene. so shouldn't liquid be brown-haired and solid be blonde? can i chalk this up to an oversight?

Actually, Solid Snake has blonde hair as well -- he simply dyes it brown. You might notice in this remake, and in Metal Gear Solid 2, there are blonde streaks in his hair, and it's mentioned during the briefing section of the game (at least it was in the original), that Snake dyes his hair brown so that he won't be mistaken for Liquid (in the original's briefing sequence, Snake has blonde hair -- for some reason they changed that in this remake).

vudu · « **Reply #964 on:** April 07, 2004, 06:24:57 AM »

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MGS3 is leading you to believe it's set in the 1960's but if it is, then the main character couldn't be snake because, well, snake would be way too young to look like that in the 1960's.

if by 'way too young' you mean not even born yet.

aretak - i assumed those were natural highlights. i never thought snake would be a poster boy for loreal. i only watched the briefing once, but i'm pretty sure snake only cut his hair--no dye job required. however, i could be wrong.

Sirmorphix · « **Reply #965 on:** April 07, 2004, 02:55:50 PM »

In the original PSX version he has long blonde hair in the briefing, and it is died and cut because he doesn't want to be mistaken for Liquid. In the remake, he only cuts his hair, and they do not mention the dye.

Aretak · « **Reply #966 on:** April 07, 2004, 07:46:55 PM »

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In the original PSX version he has long blonde hair in the briefing, and it is died and cut because he doesn't want to be mistaken for Liquid. In the remake, he only cuts his hair, and they do not mention the dye.

Indeed.

It's kind of strange they'd change it for the remake, actually. It creates a plot hole that wasn't there in the first place.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #967 on:** April 08, 2004, 03:16:45 AM »

I like looking for triggers to differences in the cutscenes, like "Meryl's pants/unmentionables", and Snake's reaction in his first confrontation with Meryl.

Is it me, or did first-person shooting make the fight with, umm, "Ivan," rediculously easy?

Aretak · « **Reply #968 on:** April 08, 2004, 03:49:50 AM »

I found the first-person view to be absoloutely no use at all when fighting Ocelot. He always managed to get me before I got him. Far easier to beat him just by chasing him, or by using C4.

vudu · « **Reply #969 on:** April 08, 2004, 08:29:49 AM »

i used the first person aiming for ocelot and found it very easy. 4 head-shots is all it takes to bring the man down. what a wuss. a good villain can take at least a dozen shots to the face before they quit.

like liquid--he was able to withstand 10 rockets, numerous punches/kicks to the head, a fall from the top of metal gear, and i don't know how many bullets from a machine gun. now that's a real villain.

btw, berny, i beat the game with the alternate ending last night. i honestly didn't think it was that sad. yeah, it's a shame merryl died, but it was for the greater good. maybe you had built up the ending too much. or maybe i'm just dead inside.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #970 on:** April 08, 2004, 11:35:29 AM »

Even when using the M9, Ocelot still drops after 4 head-shots.

Using Pentazemin(sp?) wasn't even necessary against Gun-Girly in both fights. But I'm pretty upset that using the PSG-1T exclusively during "Round 2" doesn't change the cinematic outcome. I mean, Hal could've shown her some of his "stealth moves" too.

Berny · « **Reply #971 on:** April 08, 2004, 12:32:17 PM »

kingvudu: I think I like Meryl too much. I was really depressed when she died. I dunno.

I don't see how it was for the greater good. Doesn't help anyone really. Just makes for a tragic ending. I'm glad it's not the official one.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #972 on:** April 08, 2004, 12:47:27 PM »

She's got a great butt, doesn't she. Did you see her exercising without her "battle dress uniform"? (push-ups, splits, oh yes)

vudu · « **Reply #973 on:** April 08, 2004, 05:09:39 PM »

berny - it makes for the greater good because if snake gives in to the torture, it's assumed that he couldn't take any more. if he died, he wouldn't be able to stop the nuke. hence, it's for the greater good. now that i think about it though, if snake had died during the torture, he wouldn't have been able to accidentally arm the nuke. no nuke = lousy terrorists. so maybe he should have just let himself die.

Berny · « **Reply #974 on:** April 08, 2004, 05:30:09 PM »

Pro 666, I thought the funniest thing in the game (other than Ocelot dropping his gun which I found unusually funny) was that Meryl is only in her undies in EASY mode.

VERY subtle, SK. Good job.

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Author Topic: OFFICIAL Metal Gear Discussion (Read 234417 times)