Author Topic: OFFICIAL Metal Gear Discussion (Read 258902 times)

Ninja X · « **Reply #200 on:** May 09, 2003, 01:34:21 PM »

Only a part of MGS2 took place on a ship...the majority of the game goes to the oil tanker and Arsenal Gear or whatever at the end.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #201 on:** May 09, 2003, 02:02:09 PM »

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WTF? Metal Gear Solid 2 is one of the best PS2 games, and I would go so far as to say that it betters every GCN game except Metroid Prime. Don't get cranky because XBox and PS2 got it and not GCN.

Posts like this just serve to irritate me. Just because we are Nintendo fans doesn't mean that we aren't capable of telling crap from quality. I don't care what system you support, I have heard MANY people complaining about MGS2. The only people that tend to support it through it all are the Sony fanboys, or people who have never played Metal Gear, Metal Gear 2, or Metal Gear Solid, which were ALL far better than MGS2.

I rented a PS2 and Metal Gear Solid 2, and Silent Hill 2 a while back, as I wanted to play the games very very badly, but after finishing MGS2, I hated the game. Silent Hill 2 on the other hand, became the single PS2 game that I wanted for a long time. I bought the game in a heartbeat when it came out for PC.

MysticGohan · « **Reply #202 on:** May 09, 2003, 02:19:30 PM »

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WTF? Metal Gear Solid 2 is one of the best PS2 games, and I would go so far as to say that it betters every GCN game except Metroid Prime. Don't get cranky because XBox and PS2 got it and not GCN.

Posts like this just serve to irritate me. Just because we are Nintendo fans doesn't mean that we aren't capable of telling crap from quality. I don't care what system you support, I have heard MANY people complaining about MGS2. The only people that tend to support it through it all are the Sony fanboys, or people who have never played Metal Gear, Metal Gear 2, or Metal Gear Solid, which were ALL far better than MGS2.

I rented a PS2 and Metal Gear Solid 2, and Silent Hill 2 a while back, as I wanted to play the games very very badly, but after finishing MGS2, I hated the game. Silent Hill 2 on the other hand, became the single PS2 game that I wanted for a long time. I bought the game in a heartbeat when it came out for PC.

You tell them Grey Ninja

I also agree, people never have played much of the originals and assumed they're system is better because MGS2 is on it, or that they have 989 studios as a devloper

"had to say it"

We know quality

Nintendo works the hardest out of anyother system manafacturer, and 1st party.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #203 on:** May 09, 2003, 02:22:04 PM »

I agree with Grey Ninja- believe me, you're not a fan of Metal Gear because it's on Nintendo consoles- you're a fan because you love the series, and people like Grey Ninja *really* love the series and probably own many non-Nintendo consoles so they can play it. People like him aren't disinterested in MGS2 because it didn't come to the Gamecube, they're disinterested because they've played the game and honestly didn't like it. I'm sure many of them own PS2's (I should hope so

). Don't attribute everything to a case of fanboyism- there is such a thing as actual opinions, you know. The simple fact some people are skeptical about the Cube remake should be evidence enough that they're NOT fanboys.

bryanee · « **Reply #204 on:** May 09, 2003, 04:35:26 PM »

anyone seen the mgs3 trailer? just watched it, set in a jungle or summit, i think its real

Keepa · « **Reply #205 on:** May 09, 2003, 07:50:12 PM »

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anyone seen the mgs3 trailer? just watched it, set in a jungle or summit, i think its real

I loved the trailer!!! The music especially.

It is real, gamers.com first and now IGN.com are saying that what we saw, is it. Some idiot leaked it. IGN says it looks to be shorter than what may be shown at E3. That's fine with me, I'm ready to see more. However, I wouldn't get too excited at the jungle aspect. We all know from MGS2 that Mr. Kojima can get carried away, what if this were just a flashback to Zanzibarland or whatever, from way back? The game could actually be taking place on Saturn for all we know. But, lets hope for the jungle look!

By the way, if anyone hasn't seen the video, I posted it in the "Other Systems" forum.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #206 on:** May 09, 2003, 08:23:49 PM »

If this game isn't coming to GameCube, I am personally going to go to wherever IGN headquarters is and beat the crap out of whoever posted the MGS3 stories on IGNCube.

MGS3 looks absolutely nothing like MGS2, and it looks entirely like Metal Gear 1. I want to play the game so freaking bad you would not believe it. If not for GameCube, it had better come out for PC.

Hemmorrhoid · « **Reply #207 on:** May 09, 2003, 11:53:56 PM »

MGS 3 trailer link please!

bryanee · « **Reply #208 on:** May 10, 2003, 12:44:29 AM »

yeh the jungle aspect cud be one part of the game like they did with the tanker chapter in mgs2, they only showed that in video form but none of the plant section at e3, there cud be more to it than a jungle

boggy b · « **Reply #209 on:** May 10, 2003, 04:07:45 AM »

Of COURSE the game has flaws, EVERY game has flaws. I hear so many about Nintendo fanboy's beloved WW (too short, too easy etc.) and that doesn't stop them thinking it's the best game ever.

However, if you look over the flaws (and I hope you do) the game is a masterpiece. Controls, graphics, gameplay, it's all top-notch, and even the story is mostly good (although at the end it got bogged down a bit).

Yes, I've played MGS and the original three Metal Gears (Metal Gear, Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake and Metal Gear 2: Snake's Revenge) and you'd have to be blind (or a SNES fanboy) to think that the first three are anywhere near as good as MGS2 and MGS. It is my personally opinion that MGS1 is the finest game ever, and that MGS2 is the second in the series.

As for the MGS3 trailer, I can personally only see it going to PS2 and XBox, with the PS2 release first. The trailer is awesome though, but the 'Snake' at the beginning sounds a little more like another of out friends, whos favourite food is blood and has the inability to die. Not to mention the music in the background, which has a distincly spanish feel at the beginning...

bryanee · « **Reply #210 on:** May 10, 2003, 04:45:41 AM »

sum person has put up a screen of twin snakes over at cube-europe

Keepa · « **Reply #211 on:** May 10, 2003, 06:46:29 AM »

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sum person has put up a screen of twin snakes over at cube-europe

It's fake though. It's either taken from the computer version of MGS or someone did a little photoshop job. The hands strike me as odd.

Hemmorrhoid · « **Reply #212 on:** May 10, 2003, 07:43:42 AM »

please give me a link to the MGS3 trailer

Keepa · « **Reply #213 on:** May 10, 2003, 09:52:49 AM »

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please give me a link to the MGS3 trailer

Enjoy...

http://mypage.bluewin.ch/auslander/SnakeEater.wmv

Mingesium · « **Reply #214 on:** May 10, 2003, 10:03:34 AM »

IGNPS2 has the MGS3 trailer.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #215 on:** May 10, 2003, 12:26:38 PM »

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Of COURSE the game has flaws, EVERY game has flaws. I hear so many about Nintendo fanboy's beloved WW (too short, too easy etc.) and that doesn't stop them thinking it's the best game ever.

Sometimes flaws can be overlooked if the vast majority of the game is great. Xenogears is one such case. The second disc is told through a series of storyboards that goes on for hours. No gameplay involved. However, the story itself, and the first disc are cool enough that it made up for it.

Personally, I know no flaws in Wind Waker. It was game design perfected.

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However, if you look over the flaws (and I hope you do) the game is a masterpiece. Controls, graphics, gameplay, it's all top-notch, and even the story is mostly good (although at the end it got bogged down a bit).

Controls, graphics, and gameplay do not make a game great. Especially not a Metal Gear game. The games are almost like movies in a sense that the plot takes a big part in it. In the case of MGS2, the plot stunk real bad. Let me go over a few of the worse parts.

Raiden. He should never have been made a part of the game.
Rose. Continually calling up "Jack" eventually made me want to throw up. I don't play the game so I can watch some pathetic soap opera.
The ending. I don't care if you think it was deep or whatever. It was just stupid. It was a cheap way out, as the rest of the game made so little sense.
The enemies. The enemies in previous Metal Gear games all maintained a sense of realism, despite having an anime flair. I never saw a vampire, someone so lucky that nothing could hit her, or anything like that. To be fair though, I sort of liked Fortune for her personality, but the only new enemy I thought belonged was Fat Man.
The whole bit where Raiden is running around naked, and the AI is going nuts. That just totally pissed me off.

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Yes, I've played MGS and the original three Metal Gears (Metal Gear, Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake and Metal Gear 2: Snake's Revenge) and you'd have to be blind (or a SNES fanboy) to think that the first three are anywhere near as good as MGS2 and MGS. It is my personally opinion that MGS1 is the finest game ever, and that MGS2 is the second in the series.

I don't like Snake's Revenge any more than I like MGS2. Let's just leave that one out of this. The first 2 Metal Gear games were where all the innovation happened. They weren't nearly as streamlined as the MGS games, but they were still fun. Hell, I just went through most of Metal Gear 1 last night. If you had played MG2: SS, then you would know that MGS is simply a retelling of that story, but in a different location. Once again, MGS2 is the THIRD retelling of that story. I want something NEW from Kojima. Instead of the plot getting better in every game, it got worse with MGS2.

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As for the MGS3 trailer, I can personally only see it going to PS2 and XBox, with the PS2 release first. The trailer is awesome though, but the 'Snake' at the beginning sounds a little more like another of out friends, whos favourite food is blood and has the inability to die. Not to mention the music in the background, which has a distincly spanish feel at the beginning...

Actually, that's just your opinion. You will probably simply not believe me, but there are signs that it might be coming to GameCube.

boggy b · « **Reply #216 on:** May 11, 2003, 04:23:07 AM »

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Personally, I know no flaws in Wind Waker. It was game design perfected.

So suddenly, incredible ease, bunched together items due to lack of time and repetetive, boring segments (sailing) aren't bad game design? Wow, C&C Renegade just got 100%!

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Controls, graphics, and gameplay do not make a game great. Especially not a Metal Gear game. The games are almost like movies in a sense that the plot takes a big part in it. In the case of MGS2, the plot stunk real bad. Let me go over a few of the worse parts.

But they contribute. Would you rather have read through the story and had no interactive segments? Thought not.

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Raiden. He should never have been made a part of the game.

Why? Because he was a girl? He was MEANT to be. It was part of the plot to make Snake seem more impressive.

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Rose. Continually calling up "Jack" eventually made me want to throw up. I don't play the game so I can watch some pathetic soap opera.

That's called a personality. If Rose is a stupid whiney cow that annoys people, so be it since that's her personality.

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The ending. I don't care if you think it was deep or whatever. It was just stupid. It was a cheap way out, as the rest of the game made so little sense.

Your opinion. Mine differs.

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The enemies. The enemies in previous Metal Gear games all maintained a sense of realism, despite having an anime flair. I never saw a vampire, someone so lucky that nothing could hit her, or anything like that. To be fair though, I sort of liked Fortune for her personality, but the only new enemy I thought belonged was Fat Man.

What about Psycho mantis? Vulcan? Decoy Octopus? Those are all so real I could bump into one of them in the street!

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The whole bit where Raiden is running around naked, and the AI is going nuts. That just totally pissed me off.

Sailing around in the boat in WW pisses me off too. It's too repetetive for its own good. At least Arsenal's AI going haywire and affecting the 'Colonel' was vaguely original.

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I don't like Snake's Revenge any more than I like MGS2. Let's just leave that one out of this. The first 2 Metal Gear games were where all the innovation happened. They weren't nearly as streamlined as the MGS games, but they were still fun. Hell, I just went through most of Metal Gear 1 last night. If you had played MG2: SS, then you would know that MGS is simply a retelling of that story, but in a different location. Once again, MGS2 is the THIRD retelling of that story. I want something NEW from Kojima. Instead of the plot getting better in every game, it got worse with MGS2.

Well, for a start the first game had very little stealth. Secondly, there are VERY FEW rretold segments of story between MG2 and MGS, and MGS2 is vaguely similar to MGS's because it was MEANT to be. You only prove that you haven't played through MGS2 if you're complaining that Kojima had absent mindedly told the same story twice.

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Actually, that's just your opinion. You will probably simply not believe me, but there are signs that it might be coming to GameCube.

Care to tell me what the signs are? I'd like to see MGS3 on GCN, but I just don't think it's going to happen.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #217 on:** May 11, 2003, 03:36:27 PM »

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So suddenly, incredible ease, bunched together items due to lack of time and repetetive, boring segments (sailing) aren't bad game design? Wow, C&C Renegade just got 100%!

Your opinion. I thought the great gameplay, great story, great graphics, great sound, and great fun factor made the game perfect. I didn't have any problem with the difficulty, and as for sailing, that was one of my biggest turn ons about the game.

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But they contribute. Would you rather have read through the story and had no interactive segments? Thought not.

A sequel has a responsibility to combine the same sort of elements encountered in previous games, and stimulate the same sort of brain activity that the other games in the franchise had. Metal Gear Solid 2 did not do that.

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Why? Because he was a girl? He was MEANT to be. It was part of the plot to make Snake seem more impressive.

So I can make a game about a dancing turd and by that logic it would be good, because the character is MEANT to be crappy?

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That's called a personality. If Rose is a stupid whiney cow that annoys people, so be it since that's her personality.

Read above. It's not a personality I want to deal with.

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What about Psycho mantis? Vulcan? Decoy Octopus? Those are all so real I could bump into one of them in the street!

They were way out of the ordinary, but they were realistic to a degree (except maybe decoy octopus). They were like James Bond villains, and that's what I loved about them. I just hated Vamp in particular. He didn't belong in any way shape or form.

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Sailing around in the boat in WW pisses me off too. It's too repetetive for its own good. At least Arsenal's AI going haywire and affecting the 'Colonel' was vaguely original.

It irritated me. I got stuck at that part for hours, and I didn't want to see Raiden running around holding his wang.

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Well, for a start the first game had very little stealth. Secondly, there are VERY FEW rretold segments of story between MG2 and MGS, and MGS2 is vaguely similar to MGS's because it was MEANT to be. You only prove that you haven't played through MGS2 if you're complaining that Kojima had absent mindedly told the same story twice.

I have played through MGS2. I have also played through Metal Gear. I suggest you replay Metal Gear if you think that there's no stealth involved. Or better yet, don't throw away your transmitter when you pick it up after being captured. See how long you can last before you run out of ammo when you can't sneak around.

As for the similarity between MG2: SS and MGS, I meant that the games were essentially the same story but in different environments and circumstances. It was a retelling of the same story... a remix if you will. I personally had no problem with that, as MGS did the job much better IMO.

As for MGS2, that was just crappy. Deliberately retelling the MGS story was just stupid. I have done all of the stuff that you did in MGS2, but I did it with a better main character, and a lot more style. There were just no scenes in MGS2 that could compare with ANY of the scenes with Sniper Wolf, and the replacement for Grey Fox just sucked ass. (just as much as the replacement for Snake). It was like drinking RC Cola instead of Coke.

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Care to tell me what the signs are? I'd like to see MGS3 on GCN, but I just don't think it's going to happen.

Two things are currently making my weird-sh*t-o-meter go nuts.

1) Exclusive Metal Gear game for GameCube.
2) IGN Cube reporting two stories that hint about MGS3 coming to GameCube.
http://cube.ign.com/articles/400/400780p1.html
The other was in (Fran's?) preview of E3. He was listing the games he was excited about seeing, and he listed Metal Gear Solid 3 when he was talking about GameCube games. He listed the PS2 games he wanted to see at a later point.

These two things amount to one of two things.
1) IGN is trying to drop us a hint.
2) IGN are freaking morons.

Mingesium · « **Reply #218 on:** May 12, 2003, 08:13:34 AM »

Gamespot posted some pics of the setups in E3. It looks like Twin Snakes is playable. Silicon Knights must have been working on MGS for awhile if it is playable.

boggy b · « **Reply #219 on:** May 12, 2003, 08:22:51 AM »

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Your opinion. I thought the great gameplay, great story, great graphics, great sound, and great fun factor made the game perfect. I didn't have any problem with the difficulty, and as for sailing, that was one of my biggest turn ons about the game.

And I'm not allowed to think the same about MGS2? *COUGHFANBOYCOUGH*

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A sequel has a responsibility to combine the same sort of elements encountered in previous games, and stimulate the same sort of brain activity that the other games in the franchise had. Metal Gear Solid 2 did not do that.

Really? I thought you were complaining about how similar MGS2 is to the previous two, and now you're trying to point out how disimilar it is? At LEAST think of an arguement. MGS2 wasn't as stimulating as MGS, but it was certainly up there with the best. What about Emma dieing? That was certainly sad.

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So I can make a game about a dancing turd and by that logic it would be good, because the character is MEANT to be crappy?

Oh please, that's scraping the bottom of the barrell. Raiden had a PERPOSE as a main character (making Snake more impressive). A dancing turd would have no relevance to anything AT ALL.

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Read above. It's not a personality I want to deal with.

So, by your logic, they should have removed Rose from the game because she didn't have a personality you wanted to deal with? There are some people that you just dont like. By your logic, you can get rid of them since they have a personality you don't like? The fact that he gave some of the 'good guys' annoying personalities isnt a problem, it's merely injecting more realism.

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They were way out of the ordinary, but they were realistic to a degree (except maybe decoy octopus). They were like James Bond villains, and that's what I loved about them. I just hated Vamp in particular. He didn't belong in any way shape or form.

I thought he fitted just fine. Hes NO MORE unrealistic than Pscho Mantis.

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It irritated me. I got stuck at that part for hours, and I didn't want to see Raiden running around holding his wang.

Just because you got stuck there for hours it doesnt mean that it was a bad part of the game (per se).

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As for MGS2, that was just crappy. Deliberately retelling the MGS story was just stupid. I have done all of the stuff that you did in MGS2, but I did it with a better main character, and a lot more style. There were just no scenes in MGS2 that could compare with ANY of the scenes with Sniper Wolf, and the replacement for Grey Fox just sucked ass. (just as much as the replacement for Snake). It was like drinking RC Cola instead of Coke.

Another point I will point out is that they were the same story, TO A POINT. MGS2's underlying story was totally different.

And I repeat my views. I would be very suprised if MGS3 was going to GCN. Since Kojima has stated in previous interviews that he wanted to max out PS2's hardware with MGS3, I find it unlikely it will be going to MGS3.

bryanee · « **Reply #220 on:** May 12, 2003, 08:45:32 AM »

that emma diein thing was crap,,made me laugh with that damn parrot squawking, emotional my arsecheeks

Ian Sane · « **Reply #221 on:** May 12, 2003, 08:53:54 AM »

"I would be very suprised if MGS3 was going to GCN. Since Kojima has stated in previous interviews that he wanted to max out PS2's hardware with MGS3, I find it unlikely it will be going to MGS3."

Well if he wanted to max out the PS2 hardware then why would he release it for Xbox as well (which you assumed in an earlier post) but not Cube? Originally people always pointed to that interview where he said that it didn't make sense to make a Metal Gear game on a Nintendo console whenever they argued that a Metal Gear game wasn't coming to Gamecube. However now that it's confirmed that a Metal Gear game for Gamecube is in the works (and being developed by a Nintendo second party) there's no real reason why Konami wouldn't port over MGS3. Unless Twin Snakes totally bombs if MGS3 is ported to any other console besides PS2 and PC it will likely be ported to both Xbox and Gamecube. There's no logical reason why Gamecube would be left out.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #222 on:** May 12, 2003, 03:00:46 PM »

Boggy, whatever. I am sick and tired of dealing with this crap. Go to a PS2 board and rave about how good MGS2 is, and how the Nintendo people hate it because it's not on GameCube. In the meantime, I will go back to playing Silent Hill 2, or waiting anxiously for MGS3.

boggy b · « **Reply #223 on:** May 13, 2003, 11:01:19 AM »

Sorry Grey Ninja, but MGS3 on GCN is a no-go.

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/402/402225p1.html

Not even XBox is getting it.

And for your information, I like MGS2 there's nothing you can do about that. And dont even get me started on Substance, since I picked it up the other day and am finding it hard to put down.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #224 on:** May 13, 2003, 11:03:22 AM »

Those at E3 saw a vid of Twin Snakes, and they claim the game is even prettier than MGS2...Can't wait to see the vid!

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