Topic: Wii Successor and Glassess Free 3D: How Will It Work?

[Kytim89]

Why? The current system is still selling great (and is still at $200) and shows no sign of slowing down. There is no reason or incentive for Nintendo to release a new system anytime soon.

TJ is exactly right. With the 3DS approaching release that will be the system to hold you over until the Wii 2 is released.

Nintendo's R & D budget reportedly tripled since the launch of the Wii in 2006, suggesting that a new console could be in an advanced stage of pre-production. With the Wii still enjoying phenomenal success, it would be unlikely that Nintendo would want to launch the Wii 2 anytime soon. Let's not forget Nintendo's launch history with delays factored in either.

Oh, hah... I didn't mean bring out the next console right now. I meant by the end of next year.  I just hope the Vitality Sensor doesn't take precedence over a new console possibly getting released by the end of next year -- causing it to get pushed back.

And yeah, the 3DS will definitely tide me over until the next console's release. No prob there.

Why? The current system is still selling great (and is still at $200) and shows no sign of slowing down. There is no reason or incentive for Nintendo to release a new system anytime soon.

Nintendo can still sell a crapton of Wiis even after a new console launches.  Sony's PS2 is proof of that.  Don't even tell me that you can only have ONE console out on the shelf... I'm not gonna believe that for one second. Casuals will continue to eat up the Wii a couple of years after the release of a new console -- especially if it's geared a little more back at the traditional crowd.

If the wii 2 i revealed while the wii is going strong, sales and interested in the wii will plummet and the wii 2 will be the new console of interest. The PS2 sold well because no one could afford a PS3 at the time and Nintendo will make the wii 2 affordable so that people can buy it up quickly.

[Sarail]

Why? The current system is still selling great (and is still at $200) and shows no sign of slowing down. There is no reason or incentive for Nintendo to release a new system anytime soon.

TJ is exactly right. With the 3DS approaching release that will be the system to hold you over until the Wii 2 is released.

Nintendo's R & D budget reportedly tripled since the launch of the Wii in 2006, suggesting that a new console could be in an advanced stage of pre-production. With the Wii still enjoying phenomenal success, it would be unlikely that Nintendo would want to launch the Wii 2 anytime soon. Let's not forget Nintendo's launch history with delays factored in either.

Oh, hah... I didn't mean bring out the next console right now. I meant by the end of next year.  I just hope the Vitality Sensor doesn't take precedence over a new console possibly getting released by the end of next year -- causing it to get pushed back.

And yeah, the 3DS will definitely tide me over until the next console's release. No prob there.

Why? The current system is still selling great (and is still at $200) and shows no sign of slowing down. There is no reason or incentive for Nintendo to release a new system anytime soon.

Nintendo can still sell a crapton of Wiis even after a new console launches.  Sony's PS2 is proof of that.  Don't even tell me that you can only have ONE console out on the shelf... I'm not gonna believe that for one second. Casuals will continue to eat up the Wii a couple of years after the release of a new console -- especially if it's geared a little more back at the traditional crowd.

If the wii 2 i revealed while the wii is going strong, sales and interested in the wii will plummet and the wii 2 will be the new console of interest. The PS2 sold well because no one could afford a PS3 at the time and Nintendo will make the wii 2 affordable so that people can buy it up quickly.

Not for casuals, Kytim. Not for casuals.  They don't keep up with the video game industry, and therefore, wouldn't know that a new home console is being planned for release.  The Wii would continue to sell the same ridiculous numbers that it's always been selling -- because grandmas, grandpas, uncles, aunts, and anyone else that falls in that demographic will keep buying it.

[Mop it up]

Popular systems will continue to sell even once the next system is released, regardless of demographic, for several reasons. For one, they're a lot less expensive than the new systems, so budget-conscious consumers would probably choose them over the new one. Also, since it has a huge library of games, many of which could be obtained cheaper than a new system, people who had a different system may buy it. The PS2 isn't the only system which continued to sell for a few years after its successor was released; there was also the PS1, SNES, and NES. In fact, in Japan, the NES/Famicom was in production until 2003. The only reason that the Nintendo 64 and GameCube were stopped when their respective successors were released is because they were selling relatively poorly at the time.

If Nintendo's five-year cycle is to be kept, then the next system would have to launch Holiday 2011. But I don't think that'll happen, and not only because I expect the 3DS to launch next year, and Nintendo will want it to have at least one holiday on its own before they launch their next home system. Nintendo releases their new system when they have a reason to: They needed the SNES to compete with the Genesis, they needed the N64 to keep up with the PlayStation and Saturn, etc. There are currently no known plans for Sony or Microsoft to release a new system in the near future. The NES/Famicom (Nintendo's most successful home system before Wii) went for eight years in Japan before it was succeeded, and we might see an eight-year cycle for the Wii as well.

[ThePerm]

unless they see 360+natal and ps3+move as the competing new systems. Once every dumb person thinks those 2 companies invented motion control and are impressed with the graphics of the 2nd wave move/natal games, than its time for a visual upgrade. Competition isn't about the new things that is out anymore, it is about what sells.

[Ian Sane]

I think the Wii will look like very out-of-date tech when the 3DS arrives and it is in Nintendo's best interest to replace it soon after.  Yeah core gamers have known since day one that the Wii is not exactly cutting edge technology.  But we're familiar with gaming as a whole.  We know about the PS3 and Xbox 360 and we can see clearly that the Wii graphics aren't even close.

But the non-gamer might not really pay attention to any of this.  They're in this little bubble where only the DS and Wii exists.  But the 3DS is a Nintendo product so it will fly in on their radar.  And if they buy it they'll notice that this tiny little handheld has better looking games then the Wii.  Suddenly the Wii is going to look pretty weak and old.  Who the hell has a portable with better graphics than their home system?  I think the 3DS will make the Wii look like a joke and Nintendo will have to replace it.

If Move or Natal SOMEHOW manage to attract any attention other than pointing and laughing then that will also make the Wii look weak (or "Wiik" lol).  In theory those eliminate any unique feature the Wii has.  The PS3 and Xbox 360 can become the same thing plus MORE.  But I think they'll be a complete disaster.  But then I thought the Wii itself would be a complete disaster.  I don't really understand non-gamer tastes.

[NWR_insanolord]

I don't think the new audience is as ignorant as you think it is. I think most of them are aware of the other consoles and that they have better graphics, but that's just not what they care about. That's why Move seems to me like it has no chance of succeeding: it's the same thing as the Wii, with no software to set it apart. Kinect at least has the potential for new ideas, but I haven't seen anything from it so far that looks like it could fulfill that potential.

These new players are what a lot of us claim and aspire to be: they don't care about graphics; they don't care about industry politics; all they care about is fun. This is why Nintendo's next console can't just be a Wii with current tech specs. It needs to do something new, and have a piece of software that illustrates it well, to get these people to buy it.

[Mop it up]

These new players are what a lot of us claim and aspire to be: they don't care about graphics; they don't care about industry politics; all they care about is fun.

How I wish for those days again! Things were so much simpler... Curse you, NWR!

[Ian Sane]

How I wish for those days again! Things were so much simpler... Curse you, NWR!

I can't think of a time where graphics and industry politics were not part of my videogame interest.  As a kid it was all Nintendo vs. Sega and any game with exceptional graphics got extra attention regardless of whether it was good or not.  If anything as an adult these things are less important to me since they're just something to talk about on the internet.  As a kid this stuff carried a very inflated life or death importance.

[Sarail]

How I wish for those days again! Things were so much simpler... Curse you, NWR!

I can't think of a time where graphics and industry politics were not part of my videogame interest.  As a kid it was all Nintendo vs. Sega and any game with exceptional graphics got extra attention regardless of whether it was good or not.  If anything as an adult these things are less important to me since they're just something to talk about on the internet.  As a kid this stuff carried a very inflated life or death importance.

Oh, absolutely. I can't tell you how many times arguments would start on the playground about who's game system was better, and who had the better graphics... too many to count.  Graphics and politics were just as profound then as they are now.

[Mop it up]

I didn't have such an experience. A lot of kids I knew owned both a Genesis and SNES (and later both an N64 and PlayStation), and the ones who had just one, were content playing the other systems when they visited friends. No one bothered to compare the systems or argue which was better because they had access to both.

I never discussed games in any sort of critique until I joined here. I still don't have those kinds of conversations outside of the Internet.

[Stratos]

Middle school was filled with console arguments. My friend and I even wrote essays debating about it for English class.

[Sundoulos]

I didn't have such an experience. A lot of kids I knew owned both a Genesis and SNES (and later both an N64 and PlayStation), and the ones who had just one, were content playing the other systems when they visited friends. No one bothered to compare the systems or argue which was better because they had access to both.

I never discussed games in any sort of critique until I joined here. I still don't have those kinds of conversations outside of the Internet.

I still have those conversations pretty often, but I live in a town that has a pretty high concentration of engineers and science geeks.  We're all nerds. 

[ThePerm]

iv talked to people who were in Junior High School when both snes and genesis werew both coming out, and apparently there were fanboyisms even then. However, i remember being very young and each new system to me was just something new to play. The idea of a console war is foreign to young kids really. Maybe, less so nowadays. Some kids are spoiled little pricks and others are just clueless as to what is going on throughout a week.

[balzzzy]

Kinect at least has the potential for new ideas, but I haven't seen anything from it so far that looks like it could fulfill that potential.

Not to stray off topic but the new Michael Jackson game developed by Ubisoft claims to put you in his shoes per se using Kinect. Being into hip hop dance as I am I really am interested to see this thing in action. The choreographer for the game is a friend of mine and he explained quite a bit. It's just one example but a good one. It might even counter the Balance board with the fitness and yoga targeted audience. But we'll see how Nintendo counters this with the next console or peripheral. And oh how they love their peripherals lol.

[Kytim89]

If the wii 2 is going to include any kind of multimedia functions such as a music player, I have a good idea of how to use it and make it unique. Basically have a music player where I create the miis of my favorite band, assign certain songs to them and then play the music and have some kind of rock concert going on inside my wii 2.
 
For example, I like the band Godsmack, so I would create the miis of the band such as Sully Erna, the lead singer, and then assign a song like "I Stand Alone" to the band and then play the song. The same would go for any other bands such as Korn or Disturbed.
 
There would also be sound amplifiers and what ever applications needed to alter the sound of the songs in a similar fashion to what the DSi music player does with soundtracks.

[ThePerm]

there is a music player in the wii photo channel so....

[BwrJim!]

just put the glasses over the tv.  I slip cover so to speak.

[Mop it up]

I had that same idea, actually. It wouldn't be too dissimilar to the Sensor Bar in use now. The only issue with it, is that there are so many different sizes and shapes of televisions. How could they create one that fits all?

[NWR_insanolord]

just put the glasses over the tv.  I slip cover so to speak.

I'll freely admit that I don't understand this technology all that well, but I'm pretty sure I understand it enough to know that wouldn't work.

[BwrJim!]

i could see the wii two, that enhances the wiimotes of course, the sensor bar will take the camera system out of the 3ds using the two to help place the player for on target space and other uses, with the increase of power needed, we will see 360 like graphic quality (as it will be dirt cheap at that point) and thats about it.  With the two camera system built into the sensor bar, we could have so many different game innovations that it would be ridiculous. 

oh darn-it, did i get back on topic?

edit to the above..

actually it would and it has been shown off in early form in conferences.  (looking for a link for ya)   but by the time were talking, it should be able to work.  actually, it would almost be like the 3ds screens just enlarged.

[King of Twitch]

A camera could allow nongamers to have their Miis designed with just the click of a button instead of trudging through fancy menus and options.

Another Drool Ocean success.

[ThePerm]

cameras are pretty cheap now. Nintendo has been wanting to mess with cameras since the n64 days. I doubt however Nintendo will have like a super ridiculously expensive camera like the competitors. Just some basal version ofr the technology thats dirt cheap.

so which resolution do you think it'll be if it is there?

320x240

or

640x480

[Kytim89]

I applied for a job at Infendo to review games for them and I have to take a test so that the person running that site can evaluate my writing style and determine my elegibility for the job. I have to write one topic pertaining to video games. My topic was about a what if scenario where the wii 2 was released and what current HD third party console games ahould be ported over to the wii 2. I did a top  list, but I avoided the "R" word at all costs.

Games That Should Be Ported to the Wii Two:


1.   Resident Evil 5
2.   Grand Theft Auto 4
3.   Red Dead Redemption
4.   Borderlands
5.   Brutal Legend
6.   Mass Effect
7.   Mass Effect 2
8.   Dragon Age: Origins
9.   Fallout 3
10.   Bioshock
11.   Bioshock 2
12.   Dead Space
13.   Final Fantasy 13
14.   Assassin’s Creed 1 and 2

[BlackNMild2k1]

NO.

[Kytim89]

NO.

Okay, but I would not mind seeing Resident Evil 5 wii edition for the successor with advanced motion controls.