Topic: Episode 203: Third Nipple

[NWR_insanolord]

It's simple, I learned how to play guitar myself. I did all the hard work myself. I know it's dumb, but there is a sense of pride when accomplishing something difficult without the need of extra hands.

It's like when you have a band that you followed for years and suddenly they become popular (Kings Of Leon). You get the sense you're not in this special club anymore. Again, I know this sounds stupid.

Well, at least you're aware of how stupid that sounds.

[greybrick]

It's simple, I learned how to play guitar myself. I did all the hard work myself. I know it's dumb, but there is a sense of pride when accomplishing something difficult without the need of extra hands.

It's like when you have a band that you followed for years and suddenly they become popular (Kings Of Leon). You get the sense you're not in this special club anymore. Again, I know this sounds stupid.

A common mistake in all areas of life is thinking that there is little to learn from other people.

[jrlibrarian]

what a freeken disaster this podcast turned out to be.
your back into talkin about sony crap on a nintendo podcast.
( there is a reason i listen to nintendo podcasts not sony podcasts)
 then u say, got lots of good emails, and you highlight 3
 1. what psp games to get
  2. a nitche segment of a nitche product called  rockband
  3. talk of a system that nintendo hasnt even announced yet, meaning,
you were pulling crap outta your a$$ about an imaginary product.
 
 how could this have been worse. oh the host loves to here himself talk and dominates the time. check.

Wow.
 
I have five corrections to make to this statement.
 
First off, have you listened to any of the episodes within the last year? Many of them had a great deal of Microsoft and Sony content, sometimes more than their talk about Nintendo.
 
Second, the question about the PSP asked what games they should get that are like Nintendo games. It may have been a Sony product, but it was aimed at Nintendo fans.
 
Third, since when has Rock Band been a niche product? It has become one of the bestselling music games on the market, and it will continue to sell for years to come.
 
Fourth, the ideas the crew came up with about the successor to the Wii was insightful and intelligent. They took what they knew about the industry at the moment and Nintendo's way of releasing consoles to speculate on the future. I found it to be informative and interesting.
 
Fifth, the button down in the bottom right hand corner of the reply page is extremely important. It is called spell check, and I encourage you to use it in the future.
 
Oh, and if Jonny wants to talk more, that's his business since he is the host.
 
Thank you for your time.

[Halbred]

I like hearing about a variety of games from these guys. Limbo, for example. I'd never heard of it, but am now waiting for it to appear on PSN (if ever) at a reduced price. I looked it up and it looks really cool.

Wouldn't have heard about it otherwise.

[Crimm]

The fans have spoken: less Jonny, more James.

[Kytim89]

If I had my own video game podcast, I would be extremely biased towards Microsoft and the Xbox brand. I was considering making my own podcast, but I had no ideas for one because it seems as if every thing is over saturated on itunes. I might create a Xbox hater podcast(my titile) and rant against my greivances towards the product.

[KDR_11k]

I hate to disappoint you but you won't find Kururin Paradise in Europe, I had to import that from Japan. Kuru Kuru Kururin should be easy to find if you can find a store that still has GBA games as there was a massive surplus of KKK cartridges allowing anyone to get the game cheaply years later. Tingle is still readily available, practically every DS bargain bin has some copies. Same goes for Disaster.

The problem with making games cheap to develop AND attracting third parties is that it seems many third parties rely on their financial muscles for making games better than the competition so if games are cheap to make they can't get that advantage. Plus cheap development and high power are practically conflicting as high power increases the dev costs for anything that wants to be competitive with the games that use all that power.

[Kytim89]

I hate to disappoint you but you won't find Kururin Paradise in Europe, I had to import that from Japan. Kuru Kuru Kururin should be easy to find if you can find a store that still has GBA games as there was a massive surplus of KKK cartridges allowing anyone to get the game cheaply years later. Tingle is still readily available, practically every DS bargain bin has some copies. Same goes for Disaster.

The problem with making games cheap to develop AND attracting third parties is that it seems many third parties rely on their financial muscles for making games better than the competition so if games are cheap to make they can't get that advantage. Plus cheap development and high power are practically conflicting as high power increases the dev costs for anything that wants to be competitive with the games that use all that power.

Sony and Microsoft are driving down the cost of HD development with every game released, right? I mean if the wii 2 were released in a few years, a thity gigabyte game from Nintendo would not be too farfetched.

[Jonnyboy117]

It's simple, I learned how to play guitar myself. I did all the hard work myself. I know it's dumb, but there is a sense of pride when accomplishing something difficult without the need of extra hands.

Are you literally self-taught? Very, very few people are self-taught at anything. Most people learn an instrument from a friend, or from a teacher, or from a book, or from a website. Learning from a video game is no different. As for the other resources, I have either found them to be ineffective with guitar/keyboard or have not been able to justify the expense (in-person lessons).

[NWR_insanolord]

I hate to disappoint you but you won't find Kururin Paradise in Europe, I had to import that from Japan. Kuru Kuru Kururin should be easy to find if you can find a store that still has GBA games as there was a massive surplus of KKK cartridges allowing anyone to get the game cheaply years later. Tingle is still readily available, practically every DS bargain bin has some copies. Same goes for Disaster.

The problem with making games cheap to develop AND attracting third parties is that it seems many third parties rely on their financial muscles for making games better than the competition so if games are cheap to make they can't get that advantage. Plus cheap development and high power are practically conflicting as high power increases the dev costs for anything that wants to be competitive with the games that use all that power.

Sony and Microsoft are driving down the cost of HD development with every game released, right? I mean if the wii 2 were released in a few years, a thity gigabyte game from Nintendo would not be too farfetched.

It just isn't possible to make a game take up 30 GB without throwing in a whole bunch of uncompressed video. To do that would take way too much time and effort to make a profit on it even if it's a massive blockbuster. That's not changing any time soon.

[Kytim89]

I hate to disappoint you but you won't find Kururin Paradise in Europe, I had to import that from Japan. Kuru Kuru Kururin should be easy to find if you can find a store that still has GBA games as there was a massive surplus of KKK cartridges allowing anyone to get the game cheaply years later. Tingle is still readily available, practically every DS bargain bin has some copies. Same goes for Disaster.

The problem with making games cheap to develop AND attracting third parties is that it seems many third parties rely on their financial muscles for making games better than the competition so if games are cheap to make they can't get that advantage. Plus cheap development and high power are practically conflicting as high power increases the dev costs for anything that wants to be competitive with the games that use all that power.

Sony and Microsoft are driving down the cost of HD development with every game released, right? I mean if the wii 2 were released in a few years, a thity gigabyte game from Nintendo would not be too farfetched.

It just isn't possible to make a game take up 30 GB without throwing in a whole bunch of uncompressed video. To do that would take way too much time and effort to make a profit on it even if it's a massive blockbuster. That's not changing any time soon.

I am hoping that in the next Nintendo console we have a Twilight Proncess style LoZ game that has the epic scale that God of War 3 delivered last year. Imagine fighting a Gohma on the same scale as Kratos did with Poseidon.

[Kytim89]

It's simple, I learned how to play guitar myself. I did all the hard work myself. I know it's dumb, but there is a sense of pride when accomplishing something difficult without the need of extra hands.

Are you literally self-taught? Very, very few people are self-taught at anything. Most people learn an instrument from a friend, or from a teacher, or from a book, or from a website. Learning from a video game is no different. As for the other resources, I have either found them to be ineffective with guitar/keyboard or have not been able to justify the expense (in-person lessons).

Jon, which instruments do you play? I tried playing the guitar once but found that I did not care for musical instruments all that much. This is probably why I am terrible at Guitar Hero and Rockband.

[Jonnyboy117]

I learned to sing by ear (emulating what I heard), and I learned to play harmonica primarily from a website and later with some random lessons from professional players.

[happyastoria]

It's simple, I learned how to play guitar myself. I did all the hard work myself. I know it's dumb, but there is a sense of pride when accomplishing something difficult without the need of extra hands.

Are you literally self-taught? Very, very few people are self-taught at anything. Most people learn an instrument from a friend, or from a teacher, or from a book, or from a website. Learning from a video game is no different. As for the other resources, I have either found them to be ineffective with guitar/keyboard or have not been able to justify the expense (in-person lessons).

Most people are self-taught. A lot of non-classical guitar players are self-taught. All my friends that play guitar are self-taught. It is different with other instruments, but with guitar most people are self-taught.

when people mean they were self-taught. It just mean you didn't have help from another person. Books and internet have nothing to do with it. You're taking it too literally. I guess is seems lame to learn a musical instrument through a game. When you can do the same thing now, with less money.

[Kytim89]

I learned to sing by ear (emulating what I heard), and I learned to play harmonica primarily from a website and later with some random lessons from professional players.

So you are a singer, too? I have seen hermonicas made into NES cartridges and they actually work.

[NWR_insanolord]

It's simple, I learned how to play guitar myself. I did all the hard work myself. I know it's dumb, but there is a sense of pride when accomplishing something difficult without the need of extra hands.

Are you literally self-taught? Very, very few people are self-taught at anything. Most people learn an instrument from a friend, or from a teacher, or from a book, or from a website. Learning from a video game is no different. As for the other resources, I have either found them to be ineffective with guitar/keyboard or have not been able to justify the expense (in-person lessons).

Most people are self-taught. A lot of non-classical guitar players are self-taught. All my friends that play guitar are self-taught. It is different with other instruments, but with guitar most people are self-taught.

when people mean they were self-taught. It just mean you didn't have help from another person. Books and internet have nothing to do with it. You're taking it too literally. I guess is seems lame to learn a musical instrument through a game. When you can do the same thing now, with less money.

I disagree. I think it's really awesome that games as a medium have progressed to a point where not only is this realistically possible, but it has a chance at mainstream success.

[MegaByte]

I guess is seems lame to learn a musical instrument through a game. When you can do the same thing now, with less money.

If I was solely concerned with money spent learning, I might agree, but the game and the fun had there is primary; it's a bonus that you get something useful out of it besides entertainment.  Also, learning from a game might be more efficient.

[NWR_Neal]

I find it hard to believe so many people are self-taught.

Does this mean you just picked up the guitar and taught yourself how to play music on it without any outside influence? I have a lot of friends who play instruments, some better than others, and I don't think any of them would consider themselves self-taught. They might have done it without in-person lessons or rigid structure, or picked it up because they already knew another instrument, but none of them picked up a guitar and learned without any outside influence.

Regardless, I find it very cool that video games are going to offer a decent method of learning musical instruments. As someone who's not musically proficient, I'm excited, and I know people who are looking forward to this game so they can improve their guitar/keyboard/drums skills.

[happyastoria]

I find it hard to believe so many people are self-taught.

Does this mean you just picked up the guitar and taught yourself how to play music on it without any outside influence? I have a lot of friends who play instruments, some better than others, and I don't think any of them would consider themselves self-taught. They might have done it without in-person lessons or rigid structure, or picked it up because they already knew another instrument, but none of them picked up a guitar and learned without any outside influence.

Regardless, I find it very cool that video games are going to offer a decent method of learning musical instruments. As someone who's not musically proficient, I'm excited, and I know people who are looking forward to this game so they can improve their guitar/keyboard/drums skills.

You can't read? I said, "when people mean they were self-taught. It just mean you didn't have help from another person."

[NWR_Neal]

Fair point. It's not my fault some of your forum posts are difficult to read.

[NWR_Karl]

Alright, alright, break it up.

Everybody do a lap!

[NWR_Neal]

Alright, alright, break it up.

Everybody do a lap!

I now feel winded, but refreshed.

[Sarail]

It's simple, I learned how to play guitar myself. I did all the hard work myself. I know it's dumb, but there is a sense of pride when accomplishing something difficult without the need of extra hands.

Are you literally self-taught? Very, very few people are self-taught at anything. Most people learn an instrument from a friend, or from a teacher, or from a book, or from a website. Learning from a video game is no different. As for the other resources, I have either found them to be ineffective with guitar/keyboard or have not been able to justify the expense (in-person lessons).

Self-taught here, Johnny, when it comes to guitar and mandolin.  And just like you, I learned to sing by ear. I think people that teach themselves how to do it that way can approach a new musical territory with open arms compared to someone learning out of a book/teacher/etc...

It also has made me quite aware when I hear someone go off-pitch when singing, too.  Irks my ears. >_<

[KDR_11k]

I hate to disappoint you but you won't find Kururin Paradise in Europe, I had to import that from Japan. Kuru Kuru Kururin should be easy to find if you can find a store that still has GBA games as there was a massive surplus of KKK cartridges allowing anyone to get the game cheaply years later. Tingle is still readily available, practically every DS bargain bin has some copies. Same goes for Disaster.

The problem with making games cheap to develop AND attracting third parties is that it seems many third parties rely on their financial muscles for making games better than the competition so if games are cheap to make they can't get that advantage. Plus cheap development and high power are practically conflicting as high power increases the dev costs for anything that wants to be competitive with the games that use all that power.

Sony and Microsoft are driving down the cost of HD development with every game released, right? I mean if the wii 2 were released in a few years, a thity gigabyte game from Nintendo would not be too farfetched.

I've seen no evidence that they're driving down the cost of HD games. Maybe compared to the launch titles because they're more efficient now but that's expected. The costs of HD titles will never fall to those of SD titles without changing the market so that SD-level graphics with a few HD bits are accepted.

[Crimm]

Salient Point: HD games require more, and larger, art assets. As such, those artists are always going to have more work in HD titles. Therefore SD will always cost less.