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How do you prefer playing your games?

Only the latest tech will do!  Even the slightest upgrade in visuals or controller makes it better!
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The original system, unless the new system provides some major functionality/upgrades.
3 (25%)
Only on the original system - nothing else will do!
1 (8.3%)
I don't care, just gimme the game!
7 (58.3%)

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Voting closed: October 08, 2010, 11:38:34 PM

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Poll 1: Super Mario Bros. 3
Poll 2: Super Mario Bros
Poll 3: Donkey Kong
Poll 4: Puzzle League
Poll 5: Metroid
Poll 6: Resident Evil 2
Poll 7: SNES
Poll 8: DS/DSi
Poll 9: Playing Games...



So, I'm going to pick a game that's been remade and re-released on multiple systems and in different versions.
 
I want you to vote for which version you like the best.  And discuss it here.  The voting will be active for 48 hours - after which, I'll copy the results into the thread and reset the poll with a new game.
 
First up - Super Mario Bros. 3!
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Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2010, 01:07:21 AM »
I voted for SMA4:SMB3.  The e-Reader support, although killed way to early, was great - new levels are always nice and it was fun to have the cape in SMB3.
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Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2010, 01:08:20 AM »
Nothing beats the original.
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Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2010, 01:16:54 AM »
I picked the Mario All Stars version, if only because that's the first version I ever actually beat (despite owning the NES version way back when, I never could beat either that or Mario 1 until All Stars).  Besides, the graphical face lift and ability to save your progress and play with the SNES controller was very much appreciated, and you didn't have any silly voices getting in the way of the experience.
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Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2010, 01:22:31 AM »
SMA4 for me. Just loved the graphical face lift, the new levels (well as many as we could unlock with the ereader cards out in America), and liked the opening story. Nothing major but all add up to a good package.
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Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2010, 02:15:22 AM »
I went with SMAS, it combines the improved graphics with unaltered gameplay, SMA4 made some changes like having hits drop you down to Super Mario if you're using any higher suits.

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Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2010, 02:40:47 AM »
the controls feel tighter to me on smb3 over all stars,  SMA4 had different music on the some levels.....
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Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2010, 09:29:32 AM »
I think it's a tie between the SNES and GBA version, so I went with the SNES one. The NES original is still a good game, but the remakes vastly improved the game. Better graphics, better sound, the SNES one had better control (I had no problem with the controls on GBA, but I know others did), and a SAVE system so you didn't have to play the entire game in one sitting.
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Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2010, 09:52:34 AM »
The SNES version is my favorite due to my consistent need to up my game in high scores (score attacking, mind you). While the NES version is great for nostalgic purposes and such, nothing can top SNES graphics and sound.
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« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2010, 01:33:59 PM »
The SNES version had the ability to save which really should have already been there for a game the size of SMB3.  And I like how the SNES version doesn't **** around with the game itself.  It adds the save, improves the graphics and sound and that's it.  Otherwise it's the same game.
 
I think it benefits from the time it was released.  SMB3 was not that old of a title yet so the game design conventions of the day were similar.  These days things have changed too much.  A lot of the game design conventions of the NES era are, right or wrong, regarded as out-of-date by developers.  So there is a tendency with remakes to modernize the game for the current audience.  But since these games weren't designed with those modern changes in mind the balance of a game can be thrown out of whack.
 
Plus Nintendo put Mario's voice in the remake.  :@
 
To me an ideal remake should only try to patch up the rough stuff.  Tighten the controls if they're loose, add save capability, fix bugs, bring graphics and sounds to a level where it isn't hard to look at or hear them, boost clunky framerates.  And then there's also stuff like streamlining the menu in Dragon Quest or making it so you don't attack dead enemies in Final Fantasy.  The goal should be to try to present as close to the same game as possible, just without the broken stuff we no longer will tolerate.  It's more like just making the game available on modern systems.
 
Or the other option is to go all Metroid: Zero Mission where the remake is so different that it's really a brand new game that's merely inspired by the original.  That's more like a movie remake where it's the same general plot and idea but with a different director, script and cast.  Either go for broke or be conservative.  Don't do this in-between bullshit where you just end up breaking the game.

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Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2010, 01:48:27 PM »
The NES game played on the Wii VC is the best version of SMB3.  This is not debatable.
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« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2010, 02:44:17 PM »
The NES game played on the Wii VC is the best version of SMB3.  This is not debatable.
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Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2010, 03:13:11 PM »
The NES graphics were ugly and outdated even by the time Super Mario All-Stars came out. Still a good game, but it's like comparing a VHS version of a movie with the Blu-ray Disc version.
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« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2010, 03:29:42 PM »
Ugly?  Outdated?  Sir, I have lost what little respect I had for you.
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Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2010, 03:45:52 PM »
While I love the original game, I really REALLY love the SNES version. Hell, Super Mario All-Stars in general is an incredible game.
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Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2010, 05:18:09 PM »
I went with SMAS, it combines the improved graphics with unaltered gameplay, SMA4 made some changes like having hits drop you down to Super Mario if you're using any higher suits.

I guess you're familiar with the Japanese version, or maybe Nintendo respected European gamers more than Americans, but it always did that in American version of Mario 3.

I've got to go with Super Mario Advance 4; it's the perfect mix of updated graphics, a save feature, and portability, as well as being the version I've spent the most time with.
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Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2010, 07:21:23 PM »
I've never been a fan of remakes, I don't really see the point. But this stems from a tendency to view games as art, and a true work of art will stand the test of time and not need to be remade.

So I chose the original. Vudu has a point about the VC, but you can't use the NES controller, the resolution is higher, and you don't have to spend 15 minutes getting the cartridge to work, so the experience isn't the same.

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« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2010, 07:23:38 PM »
You can use an NES controller on the VC Version. :)
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« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2010, 07:24:48 PM »
I've seen that before, but it isn't official or practical so...

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« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2010, 07:29:15 PM »
While it isn't official ('meh), how is it not practical? Overpriced, maybe...
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« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2010, 07:32:15 PM »
I don't get how you can pick the All Stars version over SMA4; SMA4 is the All Stars version except portable and with extra levels. If you'd rather play it on a TV, use a Game Boy Player.
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« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2010, 07:33:09 PM »
The "voices" added to SMA4 are quite annoying.
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« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2010, 07:35:19 PM »
I actually clicked the link this time, it isn't the big three-in-one box thing that I thought it was. No idea there was more than one retro adapter out there.

Considering that many retro game stores have NES controllers for a couple bucks or less, I'd say it's overpriced. Though I do wonder how well it works, and if it has a slower response time... I know people had some issues with GameCube controller extension cables that had loose connections.

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« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2010, 07:36:20 PM »
Quote from: UncleBob link=topic=31082.msg601439#msg601439   date=1271374389
  The "voices" added to SMA4 are quite annoying.
 
I don't remember those, but, then again, I don't usually play handhelds with sound.
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« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2010, 07:36:33 PM »
I don't get how you can pick the All Stars version over SMA4; SMA4 is the All Stars version except portable and with extra levels. If you'd rather play it on a TV, use a Game Boy Player.
The All Stars version has better graphics and sound, and no character voices. Also, can't you get the extra levels only if you buy e-Reader cards, which are now rare and expensive?