Topic: Metroid Other M

[broodwars]

EDIT:  Oh joy, a forced 1st person shooting gauntlet without any chance to heal at any time right after a major boss fight in a game where you can't move in 1st person.  Sakamoto, YOU SUCK! 

Yeah that part really sucks ass too. All you actually have to do is look at MB, she's in the middle. You don't have to shoot anyone. Took me a while to figure that out. .

Yeah, just figured that out myself.

EDIT:  And Main Quest complete, with 73% of the items obtained!  Nice to see Samus in a (rather appealing) civilian outfit for a change, instead of her Power or Zero Suits.  I really have to wonder where this series is going to go after Fusion in the timeline now, given how the Federation has treated Samus in both Other M and Fusion now.

[broodwars]

btw, let's recap the Federation's Master Plan here: clone a new match of Metroids (after already ordering Samus to destroy their entire race...twice), the most dangerous lifeform known to that universe; render them practically indestructible by removing their only weakness; place them under the control of a sentient AI that can telepathically control them; and then try to mess with the AI.  Wow, there was no way in hell that brilliant plan could have gone wrong.  -_-'

[NWR_insanolord]

btw, let's recap the Federation's Master Plan here: clone a new match of Metroids (after already ordering Samus to destroy their entire race...twice), the most dangerous lifeform known to that universe; render them practically indestructible by removing their only weakness; place them under the control of a sentient AI that can telepathically control them; and then try to mess with the AI.  Wow, there was no way in hell that brilliant plan could have gone wrong.  -_-'

Well, people said it was generic sci-fi. Doesn't get much more cliche than the government genetically engineering an uncontrollable race of killing machines and then making them automated and self-aware without ever once considering the consequences.

[broodwars]

btw, let's recap the Federation's Master Plan here: clone a new match of Metroids (after already ordering Samus to destroy their entire race...twice), the most dangerous lifeform known to that universe; render them practically indestructible by removing their only weakness; place them under the control of a sentient AI that can telepathically control them; and then try to mess with the AI.  Wow, there was no way in hell that brilliant plan could have gone wrong.  -_-'

Well, people said it was generic sci-fi. Doesn't get much more cliche than the government genetically engineering an uncontrollable race of killing machines and then making them automated and self-aware without ever once considering the consequences.

What's especially hilarious and stupid is that if Sakamoto wants us to take this seriously, then the Federation must be especially idiotic, because they do almost the exact same thing in Fusion.

[BwrJim!]

"Oh joy, a forced 1st person shooting gauntlet without any chance to heal at any time right after a major boss fight in a game where you can't move in 1st person.  Sakamoto, YOU SUCK!  " -broodwars

would that be later in the game?

[broodwars]

"Oh joy, a forced 1st person shooting gauntlet without any chance to heal at any time right after a major boss fight in a game where you can't move in 1st person.  Sakamoto, YOU SUCK!  " -broodwars

would that be later in the game?

Considering I posted that after posting about a major near-final boss encounter, well...yeah.

[NWR_Neal]

I think the one thing that was mentioned in the game that makes the Galactic Federation seem less retarded is that the stuff that went down in Other M was done by a renegade group of the GF. It's still dumb, but I think that's their tiny story conceit.

[BwrJim!]

heh, thought so but wading through tiers of censored content tends to distract the eye  ^.^


oh whats peoples average times through the main game?


edit:: the above mentioned gauntlet..   I was wondering if I was going to get to play a section where no saves, no energy and so on would happen.. Its happened in every metroid that I can think of.. usually only one, but its always after the heat levels.

[Chozo Ghost]

Amazon STILL hasn't shipped my order. God damn it! And I'm further pissed off by how they dropped the price to $45.99 even though I must still pay $49.99 when it still hasn't shipped. Pre-ordering stuff from Amazon sucks!

But on the bright side, I am supposed to get a $20 credit towards a future game, and that better happen or else I'll send it back and get it again at the lower price. Geez, what a bunch of crap!

[bustin98]

Oops, misread what you wrote there...

I'm sure you'll get your credit. When I did a pre-order it was pretty simple how it was handled. There isn't even a spot in your Account details that says you have the credit, but when you check out, there it is.

[Caliban]

I'm fucking stuck on a pixel hunt. GREAT! This is just retarded.

I'm past the point where Samus has to defend herself from the creature that has you pinned down and attacks you with its stinger, and now I have to watch the 4 bozos looking at a dead body on the floor.

[broodwars]

I'm ****ing stuck on a pixel hunt. GREAT! This is just retarded.

I'm past the point where Samus has to defend herself from the creature that has you pinned down and attacks you with its stinger, and now I have to watch the 4 bozos looking at a dead body on the floor.

Turn around.  What you're looking for is behind you, away from the troopers.

[BwrJim!]

Check your PM caliban,

Flashing back to Metoid on the NES, did anyone ever consider the chozo holding the power ups alive or just statues?   I always considered them statues, but then in one of the games, one walks you across an area.  If they were alive, they move like turtles.

[broodwars]

Flashing back to Metoid on the NES, did anyone ever consider the chozo holding the power ups alive or just statues?   I always considered them statues, but then in one of the games, one walks you across an area.  If they were alive, they move like turtles.

Most are statues, some are robots.  None of them make any sense (seriously, the Chozo must have amazing precognition to know to place so many duplicates of so much of their equipment in so many locations on so many planets just on the off-chance that Samus would need them).

[Caliban]

Check your PM caliban

I did. Thank you.

[Ian Sane]

Flashing back to Metoid on the NES, did anyone ever consider the chozo holding the power ups alive or just statues?   I always considered them statues, but then in one of the games, one walks you across an area.  If they were alive, they move like turtles.

I assumed they were statues left by an ancient civilization.  The handful that move in Super Metroid appear to be robots.
 
I imagine the "Adam authorizes this" method of power-ups in this game comes from a desire to have a plausible reason for Samus to not have her abilities at the start of every game.  Ever since Metroid returned with Prime and Fusion there has been some sort of explanation for that.  But there was no explanation for Metroid II or Super Metroid and I honestly didn't care.  How come Mario doesn't bring a backpack of fire flowers with him everywhere he goes?  I just saw it as a videogame convention.  In every videogame you die again and again and no real explanation is usually given but who cares?  Why do all these enemies I'm facing just absorbs blast after blast until they suddenly die?  It's a game.  It's how it works and no one questions it.  Seriously, they could just start the next Metroid game with no mention of why Samus is without her abilities and she just finds them and I don't think anyone would have a problem with it.  Once you start really questioning some of the barebones videogame conventions then you're going to ruin the fun for yourself anyway.
 
I think it all stems from this idea, that usually western devs talk endlessly about, that games should be immersive.  The thing is no jackass is stupid enough to think a game is reality.  It is always incredibly obvious that it is a game.  So having a health meter and save points and in-game instructions and power-ups and constantly dying and being resurrected with no explanation really doesn't matter.
 
Other M's attempt to justify Samus regaining abilities crossed the line in that by not having me seek out the power-ups it has hurt my enjoyment of the game.  The desire to provide an explanation has interfered with the gameplay.  Next time they should not care and just let the game be a game.  I never cared about why the Chozo put statues on seemingly every planet - it was just a cool way to get power-ups.

[BwrJim!]

I agree with the convention of the slow powerup.. I actually liked the prime way of destroying her abilities in the crash, I thought that was a fun idea.  I understand, being with the galatic feds and following their orders (less the varia suit option in the game) and so on.  An adventure that deals with samus actually growing up with the chozo would be a great game.  I really want to see that relationship and her training.   Then, of course with that adventure we would have full out determination to discover the power ups for the first time.  There is an overwhelming sense that Samus is ment for more that the Chozo "forsee" but what that is we dont know.   

Ahh wishes.  Maybe one day they will visit such ideas of past and future.

great input everyone.

[Halbred]

For the curious, Hard mode (unlocked after getting 100%) is genuinely challenging.

You know all those nice Missile and Energy Tanks and Accel Charges you found the first time through? They're all gone here. You're playing the entire game with 10 missiles and 99 health. I started it yesterday and got quite far into Sector 1, past both Treeosaurs. It's all about dodging, jumping-on-the-headshots, and those finishing moves.

It's quite fun.

[broodwars]

For the curious, Hard mode (unlocked after getting 100%) is genuinely challenging.

You know all those nice Missile and Energy Tanks and Accel Charges you found the first time through? They're all gone here. You're playing the entire game with 10 missiles and 99 health. I started it yesterday and got quite far into Sector 1, past both Treeosaurs. It's all about dodging, jumping-on-the-headshots, and those finishing moves.

It's quite fun.

Is it even possible to get through that first section of the Lava "sector" without the Varia suit and with only 99 Health?      I had something like 2-3 Energy Tanks at the point and still had less than 1 just running through that one Lava section my first time in that area.

[NWR_Neal]

For the curious, Hard mode (unlocked after getting 100%) is genuinely challenging.

You know all those nice Missile and Energy Tanks and Accel Charges you found the first time through? They're all gone here. You're playing the entire game with 10 missiles and 99 health. I started it yesterday and got quite far into Sector 1, past both Treeosaurs. It's all about dodging, jumping-on-the-headshots, and those finishing moves.

It's quite fun.

Wait, so is the game actually more difficult, or is it just difficult because of the low health/missiles?

Either way, I could see myself playing this through Hard mode (a first for any Metroid game for me) after I get 100%, though that might be a slow burn. I'm just missing two items in Sector 2 right now, but everything else is relatively untouched since I got to the post-game.

[Halbred]

For the curious, Hard mode (unlocked after getting 100%) is genuinely challenging.

You know all those nice Missile and Energy Tanks and Accel Charges you found the first time through? They're all gone here. You're playing the entire game with 10 missiles and 99 health. I started it yesterday and got quite far into Sector 1, past both Treeosaurs. It's all about dodging, jumping-on-the-headshots, and those finishing moves.

It's quite fun.

Is it even possible to get through that first section of the Lava "sector" without the Varia suit and with only 99 Health?      I had something like 2-3 Energy Tanks at the point and still had less than 1 just running through that one Lava section my first time in that area.

Good question. I imagine you'll be stopping to Concentrate a lot.

Neal, I'm not finding the game itself more difficult, but Samus obviously can't take many hits, and you'll have to be more careful with Super Missiles during boss fights.

[Sarail]

Holy moly. Was that Phantoon I just fought in the post game? That was freaking awesome.

So. Just finished the game with 100% completion and a time of 12:54. I like to explore a lot.

That was a phenomenal game. Those G4 dolts should be fired. Did I say fired? I meant fired upon. There, that's better. That was some sick SICK gameplay from beginning to end -- quite possibly my second favorite Metroid next to Super Metroid now. It was incredible.

[Halbred]

Holy moly. Was that Phantoon I just fought in the post game? That was freaking awesome.

I KNOW RIGHT?

[gbuell]

Well, I bit. I'm playing through Sector 1 now. I like the big tree dinosaur boss.

[broodwars]

Wow, that's a new one. I was showing a friend of mine Other M's cinematics earlier today through Play Now and I noticed something odd: Team Ninja spliced gameplay footage into the cinematics to make the cinematics flow together better.      That's the first time I've ever seen a company take a Theater Mode that seriously.