Topic: Star Trek

[bustin98]

It was an awesome movie. Go see it.

All of the reviews had been so quiet about the spoilers, I had no idea what was going to happen. It was so neat.

That said, I don't like the new kid as Kirk. And I'm not really fond of the new Checkov and Scotty. Everyone else is alright. I kept picturing seeing them in a weekly TV series, and I just can't do it.

[BlackNMild2k1]

I'm not a Trek fan & yet I really want to see this movie. So I hope its more awesome than this: Star Trek Pad

[EasyCure]

ive never EVER seen a sngle episode of any Star Trek, and i really liked this movie. i knew enough about it though to catch all the fanservice, but i wasnt one of the nerds that clapped or chuckled everytime they popped up.

i actually liked this movie better than xmen origins: wolverine, which i saw 2 days ago. This was the kinda fun movie i wouldnt mind seeing twice.

the only part i didnt like?
when leanord nemoy tells Kirk he learned cheating "from an old friend" only a few scenes after explaining that they were currently in an alternate reality. if the Romulans or whatever didnt go back in time and attack the ship Kirks father was on, the movies young Kirk (probably) wouldnt of cheated on that simulation test in Star Fleet. Of all characters, youd think Mr Logical would be the LAST one to ruin the movie ;) haha im just nitpicking now

oh and too bad they didnt have whats his face, john cho?, immitate George Takais laugh.. oh well!

[ThePerm]

lost spoiler
watch other jj abrams projects for that sort of time travel continuity...i soo cant wait for next weeks lost!

[NWR_pap64]

I never seen the original TV series, but I did watch a few episodes of the 90s series as well as nearly all of the movies, so I can't wait to see this one. What struck me, however, is that this films seems to be more about the humor and action than about science and exploring other universes. This especially contrasts the first movie which I thought took itself too seriously. But I heard a lot of good things about this one!

[ThePerm]

one of the key differences i noticed between whats happened before and this new movie

before
there were scenes mostly on a set which just consisted of hallways and corridors and the bridge, these were broken up by space ship scenes. The most special effects were mostly lazor shots and prosthetic makeup.

In this movie it looks like theres an interaction with the characters and the creatures and the environments

[NWR_insanolord]

the only part i didnt like?
when leanord nemoy tells Kirk he learned cheating "from an old friend" only a few scenes after explaining that they were currently in an alternate reality. if the Romulans or whatever didnt go back in time and attack the ship Kirks father was on, the movies young Kirk (probably) wouldnt of cheated on that simulation test in Star Fleet. Of all characters, youd think Mr Logical would be the LAST one to ruin the movie ;) haha im just nitpicking now

oh and too bad they didnt have whats his face, john cho?, immitate George Takais laugh.. oh well!

It was established in Wrath of Khan that Kirk was the only cadet to ever beat the no-win scenario and that he did so by cheating by reprogramming the simulator.

I absolutely loved the movie. They managed to reboot the franchise in the most Star Trekkish way possible, with an alternate timeline, and threw in so many great old-school Trek references. I thought Spock and McCoy were perfect, both in their characters and in their interactions with each other. I liked the rest of the cast too and can't wait to see what they do with the next one, though it'll be hard to wait years for it.

[TJ Spyke]

I will see the movie, but I don't like the whole idea of it. At least I am happy that the movie is NOT canon (I had heard about some of the crap the movie did that would have conflicted with the established canon). I hope the next movie gets out of the lame Kirk era and gets back to the Enterprise era (meaning TNG/DS9/VOY and beyond).

Abrams is a mixed bag with me. I love Fringe, but Lost is one of the most boring shows I have ever seen.

[Plugabugz]

Is this film really a reboot? It seems be more of a retcon, and squeeze into the existing setup between Enterprise and TOS.

I hope the next movie gets out of the lame Kirk era and gets back to the Enterprise era (meaning TNG/DS9/VOY and beyond).

A friend of mine had said that following the series finale of Voyager - specifically the final two episodes - that it was extremely unlikely we'd see anything happen in Star Trek timeline after that point. Nemesis skipped it entirely. So i wouldn't expect anything.

[TJ Spyke]

The film is not a retcon, it's set in an alternate reality (meaning it doesn't touch the canon).

There is plenty left after Voyager. Everything that happened in Nemesis was a result of the Romulan government being weakened by the Dominion War (which let Shinzon and the Remans rise to power since there wasn't much opposition). For example, Voyager ended with the Borg Unicomplex being destroyed. It is unknown if the Borg are completly gone though, and a film could show them rising back up. Not to mention that a movie could be farther in the future. Enterprise showed that by the 26th century (about 200 years after the end of Voyager) the Klingons and Xindi join the Federation.

You can also do a new prequel (one that actually counts as canon) and set it right after the end of Enterprise and have it be about the Earth-Romulan war, although this is less likely due to the fact that the Romulans are the focus of the current one; there is also the fact that established canon states that Humans and Romulans never actually saw each other in the war (they only communicated via audio) and that could make it boring.

[Plugabugz]

I agree with you, there is still lots of potential. What happened after the end of DS9 is one point i want to see.

Story wise however the writers will have a hard time trying to "write away" the significance of Voyager with all of the future-upgrades. People would expect to see it integrated into the fleet, which would (in theory) mean they become superior to everyone else. And that's sorta boring..

[bosshogx]

I saw it on Saturday.  Great flick.  If you haven't seen it, go check it out.  It'll probably be the best movie of the summer.



 ;D

[bustin98]

Tom Baker is my favorite Doctor.

when leanord nemoy tells Kirk he learned cheating "from an old friend" only a few scenes after explaining that they were currently in an alternate reality. if the Romulans or whatever didnt go back in time and attack the ship Kirks father was on, the movies young Kirk (probably) wouldnt of cheated on that simulation test in Star Fleet. Of all characters, youd think Mr Logical would be the LAST one to ruin the movie ;) haha im just nitpicking now

Must . . . repress . . . inner . . . nerd . . . rant

[Halbred]

I thought it was a great movie. Star Trek all the way, but it certainly did its own thing. Bones was perfect, so was Scotty, so was Spock. I really liked Kirk, too. Wasn't too sure about Uhura or Chekov, though. The only cast member I simply disagreed with was Sulu. But maybe I'll get used to him.

I'd like to see a "wrap-up" Voyager movie, about what the crew did after they got home. How'd Seven integrate into society? How did Janeway get that plushy Admiral position?

[ThePerm]

canon can always be reset, Superman used to be raised by the government in a foster home, now he is always raised by the kents

[UncleBob]

I'd like to see a "wrap-up" Voyager movie, about what the crew did after they got home. How'd Seven integrate into society? How did Janeway get that plushy Admiral position?

For what it's worth, there's a series of Post-Endgame books.  Homecoming is the only one I've read that was really worth reading though...

Story wise however the writers will have a hard time trying to "write away" the significance of Voyager with all of the future-upgrades. People would expect to see it integrated into the fleet, which would (in theory) mean they become superior to everyone else. And that's sorta boring..

That's easy.  Wesley gets aboard Voyager.  Wonders what the big, red button that says "Do not touch" does.  He touches it.  Ship go boom.  No more future tech. ;)

[Spak-Spang]

Well the Voyager story is simple. 

1)The Federation welcomes the crew home but realizes they have future technology on the ship this sparks a huge debate on what to do.  It brings up prime directive debate and whether or not it is safe to allow the federation to have this technology before it is developed.

2)They rule against it.  But before the ship could be dismantled a zealous Federation Captain takes the ship and decides to eliminate the Federation's enemies first.  This creates a race with Janeway leading the battle against her ship to stop them before they do irreparable  damage to the Federation.

3)Seven of Nine does some great stuff to upgrade existing Tech, Huge Space Battle and Away Team battle on Voyager, and 7 of 9 eventually is killed in battle, and Voyager is blown up. 

4)The End.

[Sundoulos]

I grew up watching several of the Star Trek series' with my dad, so you could say that I'm a long-time fan, as long as I don't think to hard about it. 

I saw it; and I enjoyed it because I refuse to let myself over-analyze it.  Having seen it, I'd say it's definitely a reboot rather than a retcon.

Anyway, the movie did seem like it borrowed elements from other popular sci-fi series, but it was a better action flick for having done so. 

[NWR_insanolord]

The film is not a retcon, it's set in an alternate reality (meaning it doesn't touch the canon).

Actually, since the alternate timeline started in the early 23rd century Enterprise should still be canon in this new timeline.

You can also do a new prequel (one that actually counts as canon) and set it right after the end of Enterprise and have it be about the Earth-Romulan war, although this is less likely due to the fact that the Romulans are the focus of the current one; there is also the fact that established canon states that Humans and Romulans never actually saw each other in the war (they only communicated via audio) and that could make it boring.

If you want a story set in the Earth-Romulan War I recommend the Enterprise novel The Romulan War coming out this fall. I'd also recommend the Enterprise novels The Good That Men Do and Kobayashi Maru that explain how the awful Enterprise series finale isn't exactly what happened (in a way that makes sense within canon) and are great novels in their own right.

[EasyCure]

the only part i didnt like?
when leanord nemoy tells Kirk he learned cheating "from an old friend" only a few scenes after explaining that they were currently in an alternate reality. if the Romulans or whatever didnt go back in time and attack the ship Kirks father was on, the movies young Kirk (probably) wouldnt of cheated on that simulation test in Star Fleet. Of all characters, youd think Mr Logical would be the LAST one to ruin the movie ;) haha im just nitpicking now

oh and too bad they didnt have whats his face, john cho?, immitate George Takais laugh.. oh well!

It was established in Wrath of Khan that Kirk was the only cadet to ever beat the no-win scenario and that he did so by cheating by reprogramming the simulator.

Ahem..

ive never EVER seen a sngle episode of any Star Trek, and i really liked this movie. i Knew enough about it though to catch all the fanservice, but i wasnt one of the nerds that clapped or chuckled everytime they popped up.

Tom Baker is my favorite Doctor.

when leanord nemoy tells Kirk he learned cheating "from an old friend" only a few scenes after explaining that they were currently in an alternate reality. if the Romulans or whatever didnt go back in time and attack the ship Kirks father was on, the movies young Kirk (probably) wouldnt of cheated on that simulation test in Star Fleet. Of all characters, youd think Mr Logical would be the LAST one to ruin the movie ;) haha im just nitpicking now

Must . . . repress . . . inner . . . nerd . . . rant

See above.

[NWR_insanolord]

I knew you didn't know, I'm just saying that that's not a plot hole or error and it totally made sense for him to say that.

[EasyCure]

I knew you didn't know, I'm just saying that that's not a plot hole or error and it totally made sense for him to say that.

Well it didn't ruin the movie for me, it was still enjoyable and it washed the bad taste X-Men Origins: Wolverine left in my mouth. I'm glad you pointed that out though, cuz now i won't let it bug me if/when i do see this again. It'll just make it even more enjoyable.

[oohhboy]

I really enjoy this movie. I put it right next to First Contact in the Star Trek awesome scale.

I had my doubts when I first saw the trailers. My greatest concern was Kirk. That kid isn't Kirk. Kirk wasn't a self destructive asshole. First opening scene my nerd alarm went nuts. This isn't Trek History WTF. But by the end of the opening, I understood.

This isn't a reboot. This is alternate. The last scene between Spock and Spock lamp shades it. By not hitting the reset button took balls and it pays off. The Star Trek was all know and love remains untouched and it allows them to tell new stories unburdened by hundreds of years of future and real history.

I still have a couple of nags. The choreography on most of the fight scenes were found wanting. Who the hell designed the lights on that bridge? Sulu, he tried, but not good enough.

Now some of the good. Nice Phaser pistols with great effects to go long with them. That new transport effects looks real expensive. Borrowed a little something from video games by quadrupling at the very least the number of weapons the starships pack and now with visible hard-points.

This is worth money to go to the theater to see.

[Plugabugz]

I watched this film. WOW. Amazing. My friend i went with has never watched star trek and now he wants to. JJ Abrams did in 3 hours what nintendo hasn't in 3 years. I have one nitpick. Transporting objects at warp? In the original timeline that's not possible, because in "our spocks future" about 30 years that puts it in DS9/Voyager era and it weren't possible then either.

So if this is alternate, does this mean the events of Enterprise still took place?

[NWR_insanolord]

So if this is alternate, does this mean the events of Enterprise still took place?
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Well, logically, based on the way they did it, it should mean that, but I don't know if they'll stick to it in the future.