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Originally posted by: Gem of Forest
why is it so hard to believewhen Miyamoto-san and Kojima-san, creators of these games, say something. They say "tere´s hundred years between OoT and WW" or that there are several differebt Links". You guys just knock these words down like they would mean nothing. Come on guys! These are the creators of whole legend, and somehow I their words are much more trustwothy than our own spculations.
I don't mean to be rude, but you are wrong here. First of all, they are only human, and humans make mistakes. It's impossible for one person to remember every tidbit of Zelda knowledge in their heads at one time. Over matters of speculation, their word is considered final, but the true resource for Zelda lore is not Miyamoto or any one other person. The source for all set-in-stone Zelda knowledge we have is the games themselves. They override all other sources (though even that information can change in later games).
I once had a great English teacher who made us write in huge letters all across a single page of notebook paper, "The Text Is All." If the 'text' of the game does not support your argument, then your argument doesn't hold water and is thus utterly useless. The beginning text of Wind Waker makes the 100 years argument baseless. Here it is in full (emphasis is mine):
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This is but one of the legends of which the people speak... Long ago, there existed a kingdom where a golden power lay hidden. It was a prosperous land blessed with green forests, tall mountains, and peace. But one day, a man of great evil found the golden power and took it for himself. With its strength at his command, he spread darkness across the kingdom. But then, when all hope had died, and the hour of doom seemed at hand, a young boy clothed in green appeared as if from nowhere. Wielding the blade of evil's bane, he sealed the dark one away and gave the land light. This boy, who traveled through time to save the land, was known as the Hero of Time. The boy's tale was passed down through generations until it became legend. But then, a day came when a fell wind began to blow across the kingdom. The great evil that all thought had been forever sealed away by the hero once again crept forth from the depths of the earth, eager to resume its dark designs. The people believed that the Hero of Time would again come to save them. But the hero did not appear. Faced by an onslaught of evil, the people could do nothing but appeal to the gods. In their last hour, as doom drew near, they left their future in the hands of fate. What became of that kingdom? None remain who know. The memory of the kingdom vanished, but its legend survived on the wind's breath. On a certain island, it is costumary to garb boys in green when they came of age. Clothed in the green of fields, they aspired to find heroic blades and cast down evil. The elders wished only for the youths to know courage like the hero of legend.
The Hero of Time can be none other than the Adult Link from Ocarina of Time (at least, as of right now) and
that story became "legend" after "generations." This is before Ganon returned and Hyrule was submerged under the sea to stop him. And now so much time has passed that the people themselves have forgotten that Hyrule existed. It takes more than 100 years before a story becomes legend and it takes a hell of a lot longer for a legend of a past kingdom to be completely lost among the population.
And do not forget that these people DO have written language. And so much time has now passed that the entire language has changed so that the current inhabitants of the 'Wind Waker' world can no longer read or understand (when spoken) the ancient tongue. 100 years does not hold water: it's false.
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I don't believe Majora's Mask would be sequel of any kind to OoT. Yes. Link was returned to his original time in OoT, but I don't think this game explains what Link did after that. It was left for gamers imagination to decide what happned after that. Link just became the hero of Termina, and he doesn't have to have any connection to the Hero of Time.
Well, as far as what we have to go on (because the games don't tell us anything here... though text from MM may clear this up), they are sequels. The storyline from OoT flows directly into Majora's Mask because the child Link is _not_ the Hero of Time and he _never_ was. When Link was sent back, Ganon was no longer a threat during his time and so he never did become the Hero of Time (remember, he was sealed away for seven years because only an adult could become the Hero of Time). His connection with the Hero of Time is that in an alternate future HE DID become the Hero of Time. That's confusing at first, but it makes logical sense.
I don't see why the "multiple dimensions in time" thing is hard to put into the Zelda universe considering "A Link to the Past." There we had two worlds existing at the same time in different dimensions--one "dark" world corrupted by Ganon, the other kept safe from him through the power of the Triforce. It makes perfect sense for Adult Link in OoT to exist in the "dark" world corrupted by Ganon while child Link in MM to exist in the "light" world because of the actions of Adult Link. Again confusing, but logical and _STILL_ fitting in what we already know about the Hylian world.
For those who are trying to place story lines, the second Zelda game flows DIRECTLY from the first. It is the exact same Link, except now he is 16 years old. Though it's a bit confusing, two Zeldas actually existed in this era at once. It's explained that all women in the bloodline are named Zelda at birth... which also makes it clear why Ganondorf and King call Tetra "Princess Zelda" right away even though Tetra was confused about it. From the text of the game's manual:
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At the end of a fierce fight, Link overthrew Ganon, took back the Triforce and rescued Princess Zelda. However, is it all really finished? Many seasons have passed since then. Hyrule was on the road to ruin. The power that the vile heart of Ganon has left behind was causing chaos and disorder in Hyrule. What's more, even after the fall of Ganon, some of his underlings remained waiting for Ganon's return. The Key to Ganon's return was the blood of Link - the valiant lad who overthrew the King of Evil. Ganon would be revived by sacrificing Link and sprinkling his blood on the ashes of Ganon.
Meanwhile, Link remained in the little kingdom of Hyrule and lent his hand to its restoration. But circumstances did not look very good. One day, a strange mark, exactly like the crest of the kingdom, appeared on the back of Link's hand as he approached his 16th birthday. The worried Link, went to Impa, Princess Zelda's nursemaid who was shocked and frightened when she saw the birthmark. When she regained her composure, she took Link to the North Castle.
There was a door in North Castle called "the door that does not open." Only the descendants of the Impa family who served the king knew how to open the door. Impa took Link's left hand and pressed the back of it against the door. There was a sound of a locking falling open, the door slowly creaked open and there on an alter in the middle of the room lay a beautiful woman. "Here lies Princess Zelda." Impa began to speak calmly.
"Link, the time has come when I must tell you the legend of Zelda handed down in Hyrule. It is said that a long ago, when Hyrule was one country, a great ruler maintained the peace in Hyrule using the Triforce. However, the king too was a child of man and he died. Then, the prince of the kingdom should have become the king and inherited everything, but he could inherit the Triforce only in part. The Prince searched everywhere for the missing parts, but could not find them. Then, a magician close to the king brought him some unexpected news. Before he died, the king had said something about the Triforce to only the younger sister of the prince, Princess Zelda. The prince immediately questioned the princess, but she wouldn't tell him anything. After the prince, the magician threatened to put the princess into an eternal sleep if she did not talk, but still, she said nothing."
"In his anger, the magician tried to cast a magic spell on the princess. The surprised prince tried to stop him, but the magician fought off the prince and went on chanting the spell. Then, when the spell was finally cast, Princess Zelda fell on that spot and entered a sleep from which she might never awake. At the same time, the magician also fell down and breathed his last."
"In his grief, the prince placed the princess in this room. He hoped that someday she would come back to life. So that this tragedy would never be forgotten, he ordered that every female child born into the royal household shall be given the name Zelda."
From the stand next to the alter where Princess Zelda lay in a deep sleep, Impa took six crystals and a scroll with the same crest and handed them to Link. "For generations, my family has been handed down these things which have been set aside for a time when a great king will come. They are written in an ancient script that no-one can read now. But you who have the crest may be able to read it. It is said that the key to uniting the Triforce is hidden there. Now it is time for you to read it."
Link glanced at the scroll half in doubt, but what do you know? Although he had never seen the letters before, he found that he could read them as if they were talking to him.
This was written on the scroll. "You who'll control the Triforce of the future. I shall hand down to you the secrets of the Triforce. There are three kinds of Triforce - Power, Wisdom, and Courage. When these three are brought together, the Triforce will show its maximum power. Of the three, I left Power and Wisdom in the kingdom. But the Triforce Courage I have hidden for a reason."
"Not everybody can use the Triforce. It requires a strong character with no evil thoughts. But an inborn special quality is also necessary. Unfortunately, I have not found such a person during my lifetime."
"Therefore, I have decided to cast a spell on all of Hyrule. A crest will appear on a young man with the character who has been brought up correctly, has gained many kinds of experiences and reached a certain age. But, what will happen if someone else uses the Triforce before then? If it misused, it will produce many evils."
"The Triforce of Courage is hidden in the Great Palace in the Valley of Death on the largest island in Hyrule. However, to enter there you must first fight the guardians and undo the "binding force." When you have defeated the guardians, which I made to prevent enemies from invading the six palaces in Hyrule, set a crystal in the forehead of the statue you find. When you have set crystals in all of the statues in the six palaces, the "binding force" places on the Valley of Death will be removed and you will be able to enter the great palace. There, you must fight the last guardian. And you can obtain the Triforce only by defeating the guardian."
"There's nothing to fear. You are the one to get the Triforce. You are the beacon of hope for Hyrule."
Impa implored Link, who raised his head slowly after reading the scroll.
"The magic spell cast upon Princess Zelda will sure to be broken if the Triforce is used."
"Please, Link. Unite the Triforce and save the princess. And bring back peace to Hyrule."
Link nodded silently in approval, and left the room after taking a long glance at the altar.
Then, with a magical sword in his left hand and a shield in his right, he set off alone on his long travels. At that time, Ganon's underlings were calling up new allies from the Underworld, and were beginning to work devilishly toward the revival of Ganon.
It's kind of interesting, because, from this, two things become reasonably clear: first of all, the original Legend of Zelda has to take place after the Ocarina of Time (because the kingdom has split) and second that the Wind Waker must take place _after_ the Legend of Zelda (unless sleeping Zelda's don't drown like the rest of Hyrule). The sleeping Zelda could not be revived, of course, because Link was sent back in time (and in A Link to the Past he is not an adult). It would be interesting to see how Nintendo would fit in a Zelda game after OoT but before the original Zelda that involves an adult Link and Impa.
(Link, of course, is not considered to be the same during all of this. We just know that all Links arise from the bloodlines of the Hylian Guards. Though I think it's safe to say most of the Link's are in the same bloodline, though probably distantly in some cases. For instance, the family shield in Wind Waker... it is said to be _the_ shield of the Hero of Time.)
Edit: Lots and lots for clarity.
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