Topic: Rock Band Wii DLC to be Distributed on Discs

[vudu]

Oh, and we'll have to switch discs in and out to play what we want? [sarcasm]Great idea.[/sarcasm]

Where are you getting your info from?

[Jonnyboy117]

There are a lot of points that I am surprised haven't been made yet in this thread.

- This content could easily be included with the Wii version of Rock Band as an apology for the six month delay, lack of online play and DLC, and $10 surcharge over the identical PS2 version.  Selling these songs separately on a disc isn't a truce offer to Wii owners, it's just an attempt to take more money from you.  There's nothing wrong with capitalism, but don't pretend it's charity.

- It's only a good deal if you would have bought all twenty of these songs a la carte through DLC.  Let's say the average person is only interested in half of this song list.  They could have downloaded just the ten songs they want for about $18 through DLC, but this package forces them to spend extra money for songs they don't want.  That's the whole point of Rock Band DLC -- you only have to buy the songs you want.

- Judging by the song list in Volume 1, there are a good many DLC songs that we'll never have access to anyway.  For instance, only one of the Grateful Dead songs is on the list, and I don't see them putting the rest on Volume 2.  This delivery method also precludes full album downloads, which are starting soon on the DLC service.

[GoldenPhoenix]

There are a lot of points that I am surprised haven't been made yet in this thread.

- This content could easily be included with the Wii version of Rock Band as an apology for the six month delay, lack of online play and DLC, and $10 surcharge over the identical PS2 version.  Selling these songs separately on a disc isn't a truce offer to Wii owners, it's just an attempt to take more money from you.  There's nothing wrong with capitalism, but don't pretend it's charity.

- It's only a good deal if you would have bought all twenty of these songs a la carte through DLC.  Let's say the average person is only interested in half of this song list.  They could have downloaded just the ten songs they want for about $18 through DLC, but this package forces them to spent extra money for songs they don't want.  That's the whole point of Rock Band DLC -- you only have to buy the songs you want.

- Judging by the song list in Volume 1, there are a good many DLC songs that we'll never have access to anyway.  For instance, only one of the Grateful Dead songs is on the list, and I don't see them putting the rest on Volume 2.  This delivery method also precludes full album downloads, which are starting soon on the DLC service.

All good points, thankfully I have a 360 with Rock Band so I don't need to worry.

[DAaaMan64]

There are a lot of points that I am surprised haven't been made yet in this thread.

- This content could easily be included with the Wii version of Rock Band as an apology for the six month delay, lack of online play and DLC, and $10 surcharge over the identical PS2 version.  Selling these songs separately on a disc isn't a truce offer to Wii owners, it's just an attempt to take more money from you.  There's nothing wrong with capitalism, but don't pretend it's charity.

- It's only a good deal if you would have bought all twenty of these songs a la carte through DLC.  Let's say the average person is only interested in half of this song list.  They could have downloaded just the ten songs they want for about $18 through DLC, but this package forces them to spent extra money for songs they don't want.  That's the whole point of Rock Band DLC -- you only have to buy the songs you want.

- Judging by the song list in Volume 1, there are a good many DLC songs that we'll never have access to anyway.  For instance, only one of the Grateful Dead songs is on the list, and I don't see them putting the rest on Volume 2.  This delivery method also precludes full album downloads, which are starting soon on the DLC service.

All good points, thankfully I play real guitar so I don't need to worry.

[ATimson]

Also very user-corruptible.

Since SD cards can be made read-only with the switches on the side, I would assume that they could simply be constructed to always be read-only.

[Jonnyboy117]

Selling pre-loaded content on SD cards is not at all cost-effective.  Flash memory costs far more to manufacture than does printing a DVD.  It also doesn't fix any of the problems with this whole situation except that you could avoid switching discs... but if you could load songs directly from an SD card, Harmonix should just be able to deliver the songs online and let you save them to your own SD card, which is the totally obvious solution that is for some reason being ignored or thwarted.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Selling pre-loaded content on SD cards is not at all cost-effective.  Flash memory costs far more to manufacture than does printing a DVD.  It also doesn't fix any of the problems with this whole situation except that you could avoid switching discs... but if you could load songs directly from an SD card, Harmonix should just be able to deliver the songs online and let you save them to your own SD card, which is the totally obvious solution that is for some reason being ignored or thwarted.

I wonder if what I've heard may be the case. Maybe hardware wise the SD Cards are way behind the times when it comes to reading them. Look at how long it takes to copy something to an SD Card, that is NOT normal, leading me to believe this may be a hardware issue.

[NWR_insanolord]

Selling pre-loaded content on SD cards is not at all cost-effective.  Flash memory costs far more to manufacture than does printing a DVD.  It also doesn't fix any of the problems with this whole situation except that you could avoid switching discs... but if you could load songs directly from an SD card, Harmonix should just be able to deliver the songs online and let you save them to your own SD card, which is the totally obvious solution that is for some reason being ignored or thwarted.

I wonder if what I've heard may be the case. Maybe hardware wise the SD Cards are way behind the times when it comes to reading them. Look at how long it takes to copy something to an SD Card, that is NOT normal, leading me to believe this may be a hardware issue.

I'm pretty sure the reason it takes so long to copy a VC game to an SD card is the process of encrypting the file and not because of a hardware problem. It takes a couple seconds for Excite Truck to start playing an MP3 that  you have it load from the SD card, that would be a lot longer if there were a problem with the card reader.

[DAaaMan64]

Lol flash/SD is 100 times faster than hard drives or CDs.  Just that its slow on the Wii, not much else.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Selling pre-loaded content on SD cards is not at all cost-effective.  Flash memory costs far more to manufacture than does printing a DVD.  It also doesn't fix any of the problems with this whole situation except that you could avoid switching discs... but if you could load songs directly from an SD card, Harmonix should just be able to deliver the songs online and let you save them to your own SD card, which is the totally obvious solution that is for some reason being ignored or thwarted.

I wonder if what I've heard may be the case. Maybe hardware wise the SD Cards are way behind the times when it comes to reading them. Look at how long it takes to copy something to an SD Card, that is NOT normal, leading me to believe this may be a hardware issue.

I'm pretty sure the reason it takes so long to copy a VC game to an SD card is the process of encrypting the file and not because of a hardware problem. It takes a couple seconds for Excite Truck to start playing an MP3 that  you have it load from the SD card, that would be a lot longer if there were a problem with the card reader.

Well hopefully you are right. I think I'd actually be really mad at Nintendo if it turns out they put gimped SD Card reader hardware in the Wii.

[Shift Key]

lolling so hard

PS: Rock Band is still not released in Aus on the other platforms. TBA 2008 actually. God knows when the Wii version will get here. This news just makes me even more bitter. I'd be happy with "No DLC" because I'd already have to fork out AU$300 (estimate) for the parts.

Plus, I can't wait for them to turn around and charge $50-$70 for the 20 songs on here, which is about as appealing as a punch in the face.

No thanks.

[UncleBob]

http://kotaku.com/387447/samba-de-amigo-to-get-paid-dlc

Oh look, Samba de Amigo will have downloadable content.  I wonder how they figured it out when glorious Harminox was unable to...

[planetidiot]

I'm glad they are at least they are doing something, which is more than you can say for Activision.  I won't be buying it due to all the reasons mentioned though.

[Jonnyboy117]

I'm glad they are at least they are doing something, which is more than you can say for Activision.  I won't be buying it due to all the reasons mentioned though.

Activision's game was released day and date with other versions, has online play, isn't needlessly overpriced, and the Wii version actually has the best controller.  The lack of DLC is far more understandable given when GH3 was released; it makes no sense for Rock Band, which is coming out after WiiWare and the announcement of Pay to Play.

[EasyCure]

There are a lot of points that I am surprised haven't been made yet in this thread.

- This content could easily be included with the Wii version of Rock Band as an apology for the six month delay, lack of online play and DLC, and $10 surcharge over the identical PS2 version.  Selling these songs separately on a disc isn't a truce offer to Wii owners, it's just an attempt to take more money from you.  There's nothing wrong with capitalism, but don't pretend it's charity.

- It's only a good deal if you would have bought all twenty of these songs a la carte through DLC.  Let's say the average person is only interested in half of this song list.  They could have downloaded just the ten songs they want for about $18 through DLC, but this package forces them to spent extra money for songs they don't want.  That's the whole point of Rock Band DLC -- you only have to buy the songs you want.

- Judging by the song list in Volume 1, there are a good many DLC songs that we'll never have access to anyway.  For instance, only one of the Grateful Dead songs is on the list, and I don't see them putting the rest on Volume 2.  This delivery method also precludes full album downloads, which are starting soon on the DLC service.

All good points, thankfully I play real guitar so I don't need to worry.

Ahmen brother, ahmen!

[vudu]

Oh, and we'll have to switch discs in and out to play what we want? [sarcasm]Great idea.[/sarcasm]

Where are you getting your info from?

WHY DOES EVERYONE KEEP IGNORING MY POST?

[GoldenPhoenix]

Oh, and we'll have to switch discs in and out to play what we want? [sarcasm]Great idea.[/sarcasm]

Where are you getting your info from?

WHY DOES EVERYONE KEEP IGNORING MY POST?

Because your avatar is of an ugly character in Double Dragon.

[UltimatePartyBear]

Oh, and we'll have to switch discs in and out to play what we want? [sarcasm]Great idea.[/sarcasm]

Where are you getting your info from?

WHY DOES EVERYONE KEEP IGNORING MY POST?

Because it doesn't really add anything to the discussion.  I think everybody assumed it would be a standalone game, which is all that link says.  You'll still have to swap discs if you feel like playing a song that's on the other one.

[ShyGuy]

I don't play music games but I like this idea better than DLC songs. I'm going to have to make a post about how hard drives for consoles do more harm than good.

[Morari]

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[Nick DiMola]

I wouldn't call Rock Band a glorified Guitar Hero. The inclusion of all the other instruments and the group dynamic it creates when playing all of them together is really something else. In my opinion they both satisfy different urges. GH doesn't really make for a great multiplayer game, it is alright, but nothing better than that. Rock Band's main focus is the multiplayer mode, and it succeeds in creating the experience of feeling like a band.

[Morari]

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[vudu]

Because it doesn't really add anything to the discussion.  I think everybody assumed it would be a standalone game, which is all that link says.  You'll still have to swap discs if you feel like playing a song that's on the other one.

Oh, in that case I completely misunderstood what everyone was complaining about.  I thought your fears were you would have to load the game using the regular disc and then switch to the Track Pack Vol. 1 disc.

Also, your complaints are completely stupid.  Do you plan to complain when playing Guitar Hero 4 and then you suddenly want to play something from Guitar Hero 3, so you have to switch discs?  Then why are complaining about this?  Why not just complain that you have to switch discs when you want to play a different game?

Oh no!  I'm playing Mario Kart and now I want to play Brawl!  Why do I have to switch discs?!  This is stupid.

[UltimatePartyBear]

Not as stupid as whining that no one's paying attention to you. 

Anyway, it's a valid complaint in that it's yet another feature missing from the Wii version of the game.

[vudu]

You're just mad because my bear is scarier than yours.