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RE: Okami Coming to Wii
« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2007, 06:50:58 AM »
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« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2007, 06:55:04 AM »
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RE: Okami Coming to Wii
« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2007, 07:10:42 AM »
"If I recall PS2 had some pretty crappy support the first year as well from 3rd parties."

Yeah but really cool stuff had been annouced from day one and some of that was coming out already or would in a few weeks.  Plus it wasn't like the PS2 was getting tons of PS1, Saturn and N64 ports which would the equivalent of what's happening on the Wii.  On the PS2 at this point stuff like Metal Gear Solid 2, Devil May Cry, Final Fantasy X and GRAND THEFT AUTO III were right on the doorstep.  The Wii isn't even getting big annoucements yet.  We're still getting annoucements for ports so it will be even longer until relevent support shows up.  It should at least be showing up now.

"I swear, every one of y'all better buy Zack & Wiki, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF Y'ALL!!!"

Capcom's playing a rigged game.  Same with Konami.  The support is such that nothing we do can send the right message.  Buy the ports and they think we like ports.  Buy the kids games and they think we only want kids games.  Don't buy any of this stuff and they assume we won't buy ANYTHING and thus will give us nothing.  To tell them we want the good stuff they have to take a chance and give us a sample of it to see if we buy it or don't.  Right now it's all self-fulfilling prophecy crap where they decide ahead of time what will sell on the Wii and the support is such that it comes true.

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RE:Okami Coming to Wii
« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2007, 07:12:08 AM »
Ian you need to buy Escape from Bug Island it is uber mature and isn't for kids!
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« Reply #29 on: October 19, 2007, 07:28:56 AM »
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"I swear, every one of y'all better buy Zack & Wiki, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF Y'ALL!!!"

Capcom's playing a rigged game.  Same with Konami.  The support is such that nothing we do can send the right message.  Buy the ports and they think we like ports.  Buy the kids games and they think we only want kids games.  Don't buy any of this stuff and they assume we won't buy ANYTHING and thus will give us nothing.  To tell them we want the good stuff they have to take a chance and give us a sample of it to see if we buy it or don't.  Right now it's all self-fulfilling prophecy crap where they decide ahead of time what will sell on the Wii and the support is such that it comes true.

But Zack & Wiki isn't a port...and isn't a kid's game... >=|
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« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2007, 07:40:44 AM »
Yeah Ian, Zack & Wiki is a Point & Click adventure, which is, by definition, hardcore. To the max. Whut whut.  
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« Reply #31 on: October 19, 2007, 09:15:12 AM »
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Yeah Ian, Zack & Wiki is a Point & Click adventure, which is, by definition, hardcore. To the max. Whut whut.


Zack and Wiki supposedly has some innovative and complex puzzles, that to me indicates it is not a kids game. Dewy's adventure on the other IS a kids game because kids love tilting controllers and other objects and make stuff fall off a cliff.
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RE: Okami Coming to Wii
« Reply #32 on: October 19, 2007, 09:17:55 AM »
Zack & Wiki looks like the typical cartoony cutesy game third parties have released on Nintendo consoles for years under the assumption that Nintendo attracts the younger crowd and seemingly little else.  It might end up being a great and so might Dewy but those games are designed for kids.  Maybe they do what most Nintendo games do where even though they're family friendly everyone can enjoy them but with Konami and Capcom the kids games are designed for kids.  It's the same stuff we would get on the Gamecube.  It does not suggest any strong support and buying that game won't change Capcom's opinion of Wii owners.

Tons of kids games are unfairly labeled as such but from a demographics point of view that's what the game would be classified as.  Capcom is not going to give their real stuff because the cartoony game designed to cater to the "Nintendo audience" sells well with the Nintendo audience.  They'll just give us MORE cartoony stuff.  They release Resident Evil 5 on the Wii and it creams the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions in sales?  Now THAT would give them a message.

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« Reply #33 on: October 19, 2007, 09:40:24 AM »
But, you point is that they won't try it, or if they do, they put in an incentive to buy on another platform, and it is a valid one indeed.

Furthermore, when there is incentive to buy a multi-platform game on a Nintendo platform, the high number of sales that result are often dismissed.  Look at Soul Calibur II.  Look at NBA Street and SSX Tricky, the ones that had Mario and the gang.  These games sold pretty well in comparison to their counterparts, and said that Nintendo did have an audience for these other games, it's just that people normally prefer to play them on other consoles.  But now, with the Wii, the closest thing we've seen to that is Resident Evil 4: Wii.  And because of RE4:WE, Capcom posted some excellent sales numbers, and Monster Hunter 3 was moved over.  And now we're seeing an Okami port that's probably going to have intuitive controls.  We've got Harvey Birdman on the way, and other games, too, all from Capcom.  Sure, it isn't everything out there, but it seems right now, that if the trend continues, Capcom will play nicer with us Nintendo fans.  No, we don't have Dead Rising or Lost Planet, but we're on a path here.

The question is EA, Namco, and Konami right now.  I wanted NCAA Football '07 for the Wii.  Why wasn't it there?  I probably wouldn't play it, but I'm a college student at a major football school, so I wanted it anyways.  I don't want My Sims.  I don't want the Sims at all.  I don't want Miis in my Soccer games.  I want to see some FPSes and some Need For Speeds pumped out of their bland machines just as an acknowledgment to the world that adults are buying Wiis.

With Namco, we're seeing the worst.  The only big Namco games around are kids-geared games.  Dewey, Elebits, and Opoona look like fun games, and two of them have proven to be, but why aren't we also seeing SC4?  Is there something physics/control-wise that can't be done on the Wii, or can it not support enough polygons to push boob-jiggle or camel toe to the expected extreme for the series.  Are there any other big Namco series out there, anyways?

And what about that Castlevania series?  I'm pretty sure IGA has said that the Nintendo consoles are for kids, despite the evidence otherwise.  To test things out, why not port over all three of the previous MGS games.  One is basically done, and the other two shouldn't be too hard, but I bet there's cash to be made.  Why remain exclusive with a failing platform?  It makes no sense with a series that has a budget that big.


It just seems to me like developers think that the Wii is cheaper to produce for, so that means everything must be as low budget as possible, and they aren't getting desired results from this, so they blame Nintendo.  For once, Capcom didn't, and they're slating some extra stuff over here, but still, it seems like no one is listening.  Why?

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RE:Okami Coming to Wii
« Reply #34 on: October 19, 2007, 09:53:18 AM »
Um thatguy, I think Konami made Elebits and Dewy.
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« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2007, 11:05:05 AM »
Ugh, just because a game doesn't have a bald space marine with a scowl on his face killing aliens doesn't mean it's "designed for kids"...Zack & Wiki was clearly designed as a game for anyone who likes puzzles...
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« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2007, 11:22:43 AM »
"Ugh, just because a game doesn't have a bald space marine with a scowl on his face killing aliens doesn't mean it's 'designed for kids'...Zack & Wiki was clearly designed as a game for anyone who likes puzzles..."

I know that's not how it really works but that's how business interpret it when they decide what consoles to support.  We all knew Nintendo's N64 and Gamecube games weren't actually for kids.  Did us knowing better change everyone's mind?  No.  Nintendo was TEH K!DDIE.  Capcom will interpret Zack & Wiki sales to mean we want more "kids games".  Third party reps talk about this crap all the time with their "younger demographic" BS.  When Dewy was annouced some Konami guy was talking about how it fit the younger audience of the Wii.

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« Reply #37 on: October 19, 2007, 11:28:00 AM »
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"Ugh, just because a game doesn't have a bald space marine with a scowl on his face killing aliens doesn't mean it's 'designed for kids'...Zack & Wiki was clearly designed as a game for anyone who likes puzzles..."

I know that's not how it really works but that's how business interpret it when they decide what consoles to support.  We all knew Nintendo's N64 and Gamecube games weren't actually for kids.  Did us knowing better change everyone's mind?  No.  Nintendo was TEH K!DDIE.  Capcom will interpret Zack & Wiki sales to mean we want more "kids games".  Third party reps talk about this crap all the time with their "younger demographic" BS.  When Dewy was annouced some Konami guy was talking about how it fit the younger audience of the Wii.


Ian I really don't think Capcom thinks of Zack and Wiki as a kids game, the design and yes even the genre of game does not mesh with a traditional "Kid" title. Yeah it has cartooney visuals, but that may be more for artistic value then an indication if the product is for children. My guess is that IF Zack and Wiki is successful Capcom will see an opening to release more traditional games, but then again none of us will know that until it happens, at the moment all we have to go on is how it is designed and the difficulty curve from what I've heard is quite high.
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RE: Okami Coming to Wii
« Reply #38 on: October 19, 2007, 11:51:37 AM »
Zak and Wiki selling well would be a wonderful thing. It doesn't look like an early PS2 game, it's not a port, it uses the Wii functionality to its advantage, and it's not a mini-game collection. If the game sells well, maybe 3rd parties would think that we want more games that meet those four criteria and not simply think that we want kids games. Maybe. Depends on how much credit you want to give 3rd parties.

Okami selling well would also be a wonderful thing because, well, the game is awesome. Even if it is a port.  

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« Reply #39 on: October 19, 2007, 01:10:21 PM »
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Um thatguy, I think Konami made Elebits and Dewy.


Yeah, they did, it's just been one of those days.  I can't remember who has made what, at all.

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« Reply #40 on: October 19, 2007, 01:27:34 PM »
Game makers will make games they think they can market, if they can afford to market it.

Let's see Capcom try to market Zark and Wookie WITHOUT using the "for kids" angle... NEVER HAPPENING
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« Reply #41 on: October 19, 2007, 01:29:02 PM »
 Not to get all off topic from talking about Zack and Wiki, but nobody has answered my wolf question.

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« Reply #42 on: October 19, 2007, 06:58:53 PM »
Wow, it amazes me how people have money to throw away at games that they don't even open.. at least wait until you are able to play it, and by then the price could be lower, too.
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« Reply #43 on: October 19, 2007, 08:00:51 PM »
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Not to get all off topic from talking about Zack and Wiki, but nobody has answered my wolf question.


I did, you just didn't look hard enough.

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« Reply #44 on: October 19, 2007, 08:27:28 PM »
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Wow, it amazes me how people have money to throw away at games that they don't even open.. at least wait until you are able to play it, and by then the price could be lower, too.


What about those people who buy sealed action figures, are they wasting it as well? For some it is about collecting with the hopes of playing, I know I collect all kinds of games both old and new, but never play them.
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« Reply #45 on: October 19, 2007, 08:53:41 PM »
This is great news, especially for those that missed the PS2 version.

I had a small thought that there would be a bit of questioning here if Ready At Dawn would be up to that task. I'm glad that the worst of that thought wasn't realized. Best of luck to the studio to strutting their stuff for the Wii version.

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« Reply #46 on: October 20, 2007, 08:42:04 AM »
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Wow, it amazes me how people have money to throw away at games that they don't even open.. at least wait until you are able to play it, and by then the price could be lower, too.

Well, almost all of my unplayed games were purchased on some sort of sale... Buy 2 get 1 free at Toys R Us, Clearance sales at Circuit City, etc.

I'm not sure if that really changes your point at all, but still...
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« Reply #47 on: October 20, 2007, 09:40:37 AM »
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I had a small thought that there would be a bit of questioning here if Ready At Dawn would be up to that task.


Ditto. When I read the announcement, I was WTF? I'd figure Capcom would port it in-house but I guess they have other ports/titles to crank out and couldn't be bothered...

I guess asking for RE 5 while we're at it would be considered 'greedy'...

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« Reply #48 on: October 20, 2007, 12:19:30 PM »
Well, perhaps this would be a great project for RAD to cut their Wii teeth on, and they could do an original game for the Wii next? Someone needs to point a Wii hungry Publisher to this developer talent.
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« Reply #49 on: October 20, 2007, 11:32:50 PM »
To the people who are saying all Capcom gives us is cheap ports with nothing better to follow. I have two words and a number for you.
MONSTER HUNTER 3. Ok so it's not big in America but it's one of THE big games in Japan.
It's no surprise that third-parties are a little cautious with the Wii given Nintendo's history but the sales charts speak for themselves. The Wii is the leading console. I guarantee you over the next year we're going to see many, MANY big third-party titles announced for the Wii.
Though there's nothing wrong with a good port of a great game, especially if they nail the Wii-mote controls.