Topic: Pokemon Tournament Beta Testing

[WuTangTurtle]

well the way i see it is if a non EV'd Charizard is hit with say surf and dies, I'd bet a EV'd Charizard would still die too.  Personally I think EVing only helps the weak or mediocre to become either mediocre or decent.  Sure you can increase your Alakazam's SP Attack but chances are its SP Attack is high enough anyways that you are just wasting your time.

[Shecky]

It might give you that slight edge... so for example several of my pkmn in one of the last matches were left with 1HP... with a little extra EV it might have successfully OHKO it instead.  I'm sure some fanatics find that edge 'essential' to winning... I'd rather just enjoy the main game and have fun in these matchups.  Take it too seriously and it starts to become systematic, and where's the fun in that.

[Mashiro]

The most frustrating aspect was the speed EV'ed pkmn I had. Aerodactal being slower than well everyone he faced pretty much ruined the way my team worked, so I am going back through the game with a team w/ pkmn I will enjoy rather than just "statistically good" pkmn.

[WuTangTurtle]

I say what pokemon work for you and are most comfortable may be the best team for you.  For one you will know their weaknesses and strengths better.  That's why I've stuck my Lopunny in almost all my matches, and almost always knock out 1-2 pokemon with it.

[Mashiro]

Well I'm comfortable with all of them but stats are deceiving (example: shast's dragonite has way less speed than my aerodactile but it was still faster than my guy). Another example is my NON-EV trained Jolteon could one shot shast's Infernape, but with my EV trained Jolteon it would always fall short of one shoting him.

Numbers wise the EV trained Jolteon is leaps and bounds above the other Jolteon . . . so why is the non-ev trained one better?

Things like that confuse me.

[WuTangTurtle]

wtf?  maybe you should do an experiment on it, make sure you fight the exact same pokemon and use all the same attacks and log the results.  Remember to log critical hits and etc.

[Shecky]

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Originally posted by: Mashiro
Well I'm comfortable with all of them but stats are deceiving (example: shast's dragonite has way less speed than my aerodactile but it was still faster than my guy). Another example is my NON-EV trained Jolteon could one shot shast's Infernape, but with my EV trained Jolteon it would always fall short of one shoting him.

Numbers wise the EV trained Jolteon is leaps and bounds above the other Jolteon . . . so why is the non-ev trained one better?

Things like that confuse me.

You sure you have the two straight?  Also, it would be nice to do an experiment, in what really happens to those EV's for lvl50 matches (and lvl100).  We all assume that they just stick around, but what if the EV caps are different for lvl50/100 matches (ie: normalized)

Unfortunately, I don't care enough to figure it out, but since you already have EV'd pokemon you could ...

[Mashiro]

Yep even ask Shast, really bummed me out that all the effort really didn't do much.

Good question about the EVs sticking around, I assume they do (since all pokemon do have EVs as they level) but yeah they don't matter as much as I thought they would I guess.

I'm playing through the game again from the beginning (yep I restarted) to just have more fun with it this time around and to remake half my team and re-use some TMs and such that I already wasted previous. I did keep 3 of my EV guys though that I liked (Gallade, Arcanine and Ludicolo). So we'll see what happens next time around =).

[Caterkiller]

The EV's do make a difference, but its not always make or break. The EV's can result in a 30 point state difference, as long as the nature supports what your raising it in. And If you do the math, you see how great that can work out for you.

Dont forget you can only EV train in 2 stats to make any difference, with only about 3 extra points in a 3rd stat. You cant spread them out all over the place, or nothing makes a difference. because all pokemon are EV trained unless they are raised by the day care guys, or have nothing but rare candies from birth. So if all you do is battle every pokemon on the planet it wont make any difference at all. But if you battle nothing but marrils, as you grow a level you will see your HP get literaly a +17 HP increase(depending on how many were battled within that level)

As far as Dragonite out running Aerodactyl, you have to always consider crap items like quick claw, attacks like powder snow , snow slide, being paralyzed, or carrying that heavy ball around.

Did dragonite use Extreem Speed? Other wise it should have went slower.


I have been super busy lately, I mean amazingly busy, but soon enough I will be ready to battle you guys. I just about trained my 2 favorite pokemon up, and the rest will follow easily.  

[Mashiro]

Yeah I know everything there is needed to be known about EV's Caterkiller. That's why it makes no sense as to why a statistically weaker pokemon (my original Jolteon) hits HARDER than my EV'ed statistically higher Jolteon. Again the numbers all match up to what the EVs should be doing but the outcome didn't.

As for Dragonite, he just used normal moves (no items went off while he did the moves nor was the move an extreme speed or quick attack style move).

It's weird I know so like I said don't bother with EVs . . .lol.

[WuTangTurtle]

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Originally posted by: Mashiro
Yeah I know everything there is needed to be known about EV's Caterkiller. That's why it makes no sense as to why a statistically weaker pokemon (my original Jolteon) hits HARDER than my EV'ed statistically higher Jolteon. Again the numbers all match up to what the EVs should be doing but the outcome didn't.

As for Dragonite, he just used normal moves (no items went off while he did the moves nor was the move an extreme speed or quick attack style move).

It's weird I know so like I said don't bother with EVs . . .lol.

It's a trick!  He just doesn't want us to EV train, because he works for Peta!

[Mashiro]

Lol in the worlds of Admaral Akbar . . . IT'S A TRAP!

[that Baby guy]

Do you know how damage is calculated?  Did you know the IV or nature differences between the two Jolteons?  Do you know the stats of the opposing Pokemon?  Was it the same one each time, with the same hold item each time?  Did one Jolteon have a Magnet or Choice item?  There are plenty of things you might have overlooked, but keep in mind that some random numbers are generated into the damage formula for every hit, so there is some chance that a weaker pokemon could do more damage than the stronger one.

Also, are you sure you maxed out the EV's?  You might have made a counting mistake.  You can go to someone in the game that gives you a ribbon when EV's are maxed.

[Mashiro]

Lol the great EV discussion continues!

1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Yes
4) Yes
5) Each Jolteon used the same held item

and lastly: yeah I know it is random but literally every hit with the weaker Jolteon would one shot the opposing Infernape. Now on the same infernape with the EV Jolteon (again numbers higher than the other Jolteon) he would always fall short of one shoting the infernape by around 15 hitpoints.

and yes I'm positive it was maxed out.

It doesn't matter much anymore now though, it will forever boggle my mind. . . . the only EV trained guys I have kept are Arcanine, Gallade and Ludicolo. Upon restarting my game I decided to use 3 new guys in my final team and I'll see how that goes ^_^, onward to badge 4 . . . again!

[Mario]

Maybe their happiness level was different? Could be a new discovery.

EVs make twice as much difference at level 100 than they do at 50, because even if you've maxed them out earlier than 50, they aren't all added on until level 100. That's why you can see insane gains in just the one level if you put in heaps of EVs at level 80-90, since it'll be "catching up" to give you the appropriate EVs for the level. So what i'm trying to say is, the lower the level, the less EVs (and IVs) make a difference.

[WuTangTurtle]

Got some bad news....

I've come to a realization that I really don't have the time to really host/admin the NWR - Pokemon League Tournaments.  

1.  My QA Tester job is very taxing on my availability.
2.  I'll be doing a lot of overtime on multiple titles.
3.  At best I'll have maybe one whole free day to myself.
4.  I'm pursuing a 3D Modeler/Level Design job for the future and need to put priority on that over everything.

I'll be posting a Newsletter to inform everybody that may not come here.  It would be awesome if I could find one or two people that could just administer the tourneys.  If I can't then the tourneys would probably only be a once or twice occurrence a month, as my availability will be low.  Also me and Ty were gonna work out a forum section here for the tournaments, and now I'm not sure if I should give him the info and the go ahead.

For now expect a tourney this week, but next week I can't host one due to some overtime at work.  I'll keep everybody posted with my status as well as the Tournament League's status.