Topic: WOW, Super Mario Strikers Charged is shaping up quite well

[Mario]

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother

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Originally posted by: Mario
I added 20 codes in the time it took to read this post.

First of all, unless you have a reading speed of .05 words per minute, then no, not even close.

Second, the fact that leg-humping Nintendo fanbots will go through this anyway is irrelevant: those people are going to buy the games no matter what so their actions have no bearing on anything. It's ironic, but Nintendo's most dedicated fans are the ones they'll be trying the LEAST to please.

Third, as the console which floats its ENTIRE premise upon the idea of bringing accessible gaming experiences to the masses, the friend code system is a nigh-bottomless sh*t bucket of steaming failure.

How confused is grandma going to be when you try to explain to her that she needs to give you a 16 digit code which is somewhere on her Wii and that she'll need to enter in YOUR 16 digit code somewhere in hers before the two of you can even communicate? And THEN you'll need to do it again for any games you want to play with each other?

Nintendo talks about "ease of use" and "accessibility" all the time, yet their online system does everything it can to be as inaccessible as possible and needlessly difficult to use. I seriously hope they're revamping it for the future, maybe using a system similar to their current account database on their website where you can link the two together. Think of it: a universal ID you can use on your DS AND Wii games to go online with. Wouldn't that be great? The rule of "you have to cross email" would still exist, but it would still be better than a 16 digit code, especially if it could be updated to use the Wii address book instead.

Like I said, there's a difference between "I'll begrudging use this sh*tty system" and "this system is excellent!". The fanbots won't care because they lack the will to make decisions for themselves, but the rest of the gaming world is going to put the system under intense scrutiny and come to the conclusion that it sucks ass. By not competing with MS on this front, Nintendo only gives them more of a foothold in their climb to first. The Wii is guaranteed at least a 2nd place finish, but MS is looking like a stronger contender all the time with their holiday lineup. It's not like we're even asking Nintendo for a "live like service", just something that doesn't suck as hard as their current setup.

30 more.

Thanks for the personal attack though! I'll rebound that back by saying you obviously have a LOT of free time so it should concern you the least.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Reading forums posts instead of waggling the Remote is an obstacle which makes online Nintendo gaming even less accessible!

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: Mario 30 more.

My last post = 417 words.

Say it took 7 seconds to input every friend code (and considering you need to wait for the Wii to bring up THREE confirmation messages which you need to say "Ok" to AND enter the name and Mii of the person, I guarantee it has to take at least that long),

30 * 7 = 210 seconds / 60 seconds = 3.5 minutes

417 / 3.5 = 119.14 Words read per minute.

The average is 250 to 300 words per minute.

You're either lying or retarded. Which is it?

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I do understand your frustration and I do wish it was different, but I do understand and respect Nintendo's point of view. In the end, Friend Codes are just not that big of a deal to swap between mutually consenting people. Stick to the skill based auto-matchmaker if you just want to play online.

All I'm saying is that there's no reason to have a redundant friend code system for individual games, especially when Konami technically already showed Nintendo up with Elebits using the address book to send screenshots, meaning that software is NOT blocked off from utilizing the address book.

I can tolerate putting in the code for each person I intend to play with/against, but for every game?

Also, don't forget that, in a group of Nintendo fans, it's pretty likely to find 20 people who will all play the same 5 Nintendo games online.

I'd be fine if software used the address book. I still think they need to do better, but it would be livable.

I still don't understand why we can't just use our usernames from Nintendo's official site in the same manner as we currently use friend codes. If someone adds your account name to their list, they still won't be able to see you and you will have NO idea they've done it unless you register their username as well. Same system, just without the cumbersome 16 digit numbers.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Oh just email nintendo already.

And tell NP you're glad they're shutting down.

[Smash_Brother]

NoA isn't the problem. It's NCL.

And NP shutting down is irrelevant. Who needs magazines when you have the internet?

You can't read the internet in the bathroom without some remodeling, true, but still.

[NWR_pap64]

I see Mario and SB are getting on each other's nerves quite nicely. Wouldn't be a debate without it!

All kidding aside, I think the discussion is getting a little too personal.

[Smash_Brother]

If someone is going to pull information from their colon and try to pass it off as fact, they're going to get called out on it.

Everything I type here is subject to the same intense scrutiny. I expect nothing less.

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
If someone is going to pull information from their colon and try to pass it off as fact, they're going to get called out on it.

Everything I type here is subject to the same intense scrutiny. I expect nothing less.

Most grandma's probably don't even know how to get an internet connection, so I doubt she'll ever be trying to input friend codes in the first place! So take that, you are under intense scrutiny from me (Even if I agree with you here).

[Crimm]

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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Why don't you just email Nintendo?

"your online system sucks ass"

[Perrin] "Thank you for your interest in Nintendo and our Wi-Fi Connected service.  Rest assured we are working to make this the best experience it can be for our users.  We will continue to improve our services.  Thank you."

"go jump off a cliff"

[Perrin] "Thank you for your interest in Nintendo and our Wi-Fi Connected service.  Rest assured we are working to make this the best experience it can be for our users.  We will continue to improve our services.  Thank you."

Then at some point she acts like a lush around "Matty Boy."  I don't know where that goes in the whole exchange.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Most grandma's probably don't even know how to get an internet connection, so I doubt she'll ever be trying to input friend codes in the first place! So take that, you are under intense scrutiny from me (Even if I agree with you here).

Tell that to the Wii's setup manual, which includes a person named "Grandma" on the friend's list who is even demonstrated as having sent a picture. I pulled the reference directly from Nintendo's own literature.

i will, however, point out that it's not just grandmothers who won't do well with a 16 digit code swap, but that's not even my point. It's just that I can't understand why we need 2 friend codes for 1 person.

I don't think online will make or break Nintendo this gen, but why just stand down and let MS have the entire market segment who wants a solid online system?

[Kairon]

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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
If someone is going to pull information from their colon and try to pass it off as fact, they're going to get called out on it.

Everything I type here is subject to the same intense scrutiny. I expect nothing less.

Most grandma's probably don't even know how to get an internet connection, so I doubt she'll ever be trying to input friend codes in the first place! So take that, you are under intense scrutiny from me (Even if I agree with you here).

I can't DISPUTE this enough. The average age of an online casual gamer is around 41 years, meaning there are many grandmas playing online games. I still believe Friend Codes are a significant misstep for Nintendo, taken under the archaic pretense that they have to cater to the parents of children, when instead they actually have to cater to those parents and grandparents as well. These chat online over games like Bridge, they chat in side channels while playing word match games, and generally all around they want to socialize and communicate and be connected to other people.

I believe that non-gamers would like friendcodes actually... just as long as they were done easily and straightforward: one unified friendcode and friend list tied to the console, or two distinct friendlists and codes, one that exists only if parental lock is used.

[Adrock]

1. Nintendo Power shutting down only affects me because I'll have one less magazine to take from Game Crazy when I'm bored at work. At least I got my 3 free issues for registering some Nintendo products.

2. Friend Codes suck. They do. But we've seen this movie before. Nintendo has to fail before it learns anything.

Everyone: Cartridges suck.
Nintendo: No, they don't.
*5 years and 3865287678512 PS1's sold later*
Nintendo: Damn.

3. Isn't this the Mario Strikers Charged topic? I've read impressions stating that it's not that great. I didn't really like the original either. Regardless, it's been about 6 months after launch. Why the hell aren't I playing Super Mario Galaxy yet? Instead I'm posting about Mario Soccer. Stupid Miyamoto promises.........

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: Kairon

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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
If someone is going to pull information from their colon and try to pass it off as fact, they're going to get called out on it.

Everything I type here is subject to the same intense scrutiny. I expect nothing less.

Most grandma's probably don't even know how to get an internet connection, so I doubt she'll ever be trying to input friend codes in the first place! So take that, you are under intense scrutiny from me (Even if I agree with you here).

I can't DISPUTE this enough. The average age of an online casual gamer is around 41 years, meaning there are many grandmas playing online games. I still believe Friend Codes are a significant misstep for Nintendo, taken under the archaic pretense that they have to cater to the parents of children, when instead they actually have to cater to those parents and grandparents as well. These chat online over games like Bridge, they chat in side channels while playing word match games, and generally all around they want to socialize and communicate and be connected to other people.

I believe that non-gamers would like friendcodes actually... just as long as they were done easily and straightforward: one unified friendcode and friend list tied to the console, or two distinct friendlists and codes, one that exists only if parental lock is used.

So the average age of an online casual gamer is 41 years old, then they wouldn't have any trouble putting in friend codes then either, right? So either way Smash is wrong.

[Kairon]

Dude, Cartridges do NOT suck. It's because of cartridges that Nintendo was able to make some of the best games in existence. They suck compared to the market, but compared to the beauty that is Mario 64 and Zelda: OoT, and the fact that they still remained profitable, their deleterious effect on N's marketshare simply fades away.

Also, Mario Striker's Charged is worth it just for Peach and Daisy in tight pants and with attitudes to match.

[Kairon]

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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
So the average age of an online casual gamer is 41 years old, then they wouldn't have any trouble putting in friend codes then either, right? So either way Smash is wrong.

That's assuming that putting in friendcodes isn't a hassle to begin with.

[IceCold]

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My last post = 417 words.

Say it took 7 seconds to input every friend code (and considering you need to wait for the Wii to bring up THREE confirmation messages which you need to say "Ok" to AND enter the name and Mii of the person, I guarantee it has to take at least that long),

30 * 7 = 210 seconds / 60 seconds = 3.5 minutes

417 / 3.5 = 119.14 Words read per minute.

The average is 250 to 300 words per minute.

You're either lying or retarded. Which is it?

Hahahaha.. I can't believe how seriously you took Mario's comment there..

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: IceCold Hahahaha.. I can't believe how seriously you took Mario's comment there..

He took mine seriously enough to consider it a "personal attack", even though I didn't aim it at him.

It took 2 minutes of research and if he wants to keep attempting to dismiss my arguments, he has to find a legitimate argument.

[18 Days]

You claimed he couldn't read.

[Smash_Brother]

No, I just pointed out that, by his OWN logic, he either reads at 119.14 words per minute or is inventing numbers in an attempt to mock me.

I'm quite certain it's  the latter.

[Kairon]

So basically... you're saying "he started it?"

[Smash_Brother]

Correct.

[Dirk Temporo]

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Originally posted by: Kairon
Dude, Cartridges do NOT suck. It's because of cartridges that Nintendo was able to make some of the best games in existence. They suck compared to the market, but compared to the beauty that is Mario 64 and Zelda: OoT, and the fact that they still remained profitable, their deleterious effect on N's marketshare simply fades away.

Also, Mario Striker's Charged is worth it just for Peach and Daisy in tight pants and with attitudes to match.

Mario 64 and Zelda could have easily been made on discs. Cartridges didn't "allow" them to do anything.

[that Baby guy]

Well, you've to think, though.  If someone reads at only 119.14 wpm, it's going to take them even longer than seven seconds to put in a Friend Code, too, unless said person is a mechanical motion genius, who also has something similar to photographical memory for numbers, too.

I say we knock down his wpm to about 60, saying it takes 14 seconds per friend code.  That seems more fitting.

[Smash_Brother]

I was being intentionally generous about it when I made the assumption that any living human could drop a friend code in in 7 seconds (I don't think the pointer can even move that fast) just to make a point.

But I've derailed this thread long enough.

When is Strikers actually out in the US? I'm rolling it around in my head and I might wind up getting this, finding a good teammate and trying our best at the ranked matches.

I haven't done anything ranked since Myth: The Fallen Lords (I don't even count WoW's honor ranking system) but it might be fun to give this a try.

[NWR_pap64]

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I was being intentionally generous about it when I made the assumption that any living human could drop a friend code in in 7 seconds (I don't think the pointer can even move that fast) just to make a point.

But I've derailed this thread long enough.

When is Strikers actually out in the US? I'm rolling it around in my head and I might wind up getting this, finding a good teammate and trying our best at the ranked matches.

I haven't done anything ranked since Myth: The Fallen Lords (I don't even count WoW's honor ranking system) but it might be fun to give this a try.

I checked and they say the game will be released on July 2.

If its true, it might give us the chance to try it out together, since I missed the first one back when it was released.