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RE: Interview about MySims...uggg
« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2007, 01:21:49 PM »
People need to get over the fact that Nintendo is associated with kid friendly games.  Most Nintendo made games will always be kid friendly.  Nintendo makes the system.  It's not going to change.
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« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2007, 04:29:27 PM »
I actually agree with S_b.

I've personally never had a problem with the art style for Wii Sims. I mean, it's a Sims game, this seems to be a natural step (and it's obvious that EA is trying to counter Animal Crossing).

What I do have a problem with is EA claiming that they designed this game for the "Nintendo gamers", and this is something that Nintendo really needs to speak out against. They're not making this version of the Sims to be "creative" or they'd be making every console version of the Sims like this. They're making the game with this kiddie art style because they think that Nintendo gamers will just eat it up on the art-style alone, and Nintendo does nothing to dissuade that idea. Nintendo needs to emphasize that we Nintendo fans buy their games because they're GOOD, not just because they look like children's cartoons, and that the games they make with a more mature art style sell to us, too. Nintendo fans aren't just ONE type of gamer; we have a myriad of tastes just like every other console fan (and this is usually the reason many of us are forced to buy other consoles). Other developers shouldn't think we're the kiddie game crowd because Nintendo the Game Developer follows that art style in the majority of their games--and it's going to take Nintendo speaking out about that to convince them...but I don't think they ever will.

I mean, look at Sony and--to a lesser degree--Microsoft. Their consoles have plenty of "kiddie" games on them, but they're not known as kiddie consoles with fans that lean towards "kiddie" games, and why? Because they emphasize that their consoles are ACTUALLY for Everyone. Not "For Everyone but with a strong emphasis on kiddie" which is what Nintendo does, not just with their own games, but with the presentation of their products (until now, though...hopefully).    

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RE:Interview about MySims...uggg
« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2007, 06:58:19 PM »
Actually Pittbboi you are dead wrong, Sony and MS have both openly stated their consoles are for those in the upper teens to mid to late 20s. They don't claim their consoles are for everyone, heck even MS recently said when gamers get past their early teens they will want to buy an Xbox 360. What is sad about your ramble, is that Nintendo has openly talked with developers like Rockstar to get their games, to me that is speaking out when you are talking to one of the most controversial developers around WANTING their games.

What I find quite sad about this is that individuals, like Pittbboi, were praising the heck out of little big planet which is about as cartooney and "kiddie" as you can get in style, and when EA tries. it is reaffirming a stereotype and Nintendo is at fault (then again I have to realize some of these individuals looked right over Super Paper Mario at GDC, even though it is perhaps one of the most unique and innovative games to come out in awhile). We need to realize the Wii is going to be a console directed more on the mainstream and yes CASUAL market, along with a mixture of hardcore games, and that means game styles like this in addition to the Godfathers, Zeldas, and Red Steels.

Games sell well with this kind of art style on Wii, that is a FACT, and I think people are being a bit too harsh with EA. This is the same company that gave us a polished Wiiport of The Godfather, so obviously they don't consider the Wii base all "kids". In my opinion, I think EA was stating what they see as true through sales, and that is Wii's age diverse userbase can relate more to the "cartooney" visuals, as seen in Wii sports, especially in conjunction with the Mii feature. Personally I don't mind the cutesy visuals, because I've found they create a better enviroment to have FUN in when it comes to what can be done with emotions or actions (as can be seen in so many Nintendo games).

With that said, Nintendo has done alot to try and change the kiddie image, and frankly they are succeeding with the Wii which has one of the most diverse userbases around. No longer do you hear Wii is a kiddie console, and that shows me quite a bit. To say that Nintendo hasn't done anything to change that opinion is ridiculous, yes they have their own philosophy and most likely won't change much (though they are creating some new franchises are are more mature looking in style), but they are also trying to court "hardcore" and more mature game franchises from 3rd parties as well, it is up to the gamer, NOT NINTENDO to support games that are not of the "cartooney" style. If they don't sell then you won't as many mature style games, that is not Nintendo's fault but the fault of the market or consumer (if the game is a quality game of course).  Nintendo has done alot to get these mature looking games on Wii without completely changing who they are, and I think it is up to us now to take it to the next level.


 
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« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2007, 07:02:47 PM »
I've NEVER seen the XBox 360 or PS3 pushed as "for everyone" seriously.

And if you're gonna find a game to pick on for assuming that every Wii player is a 10-year old child or not at all concerned with maturity levels, pick on Sega and MONKEY BALL.

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« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2007, 07:04:07 PM »
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Actually Pittbboi you are dead wrong, Sony and MS have both openly stated their consoles are for those in the upper teens to mid to late 20s. They don't claim their consoles are for everyone, heck even MS recently said when gamers get past their early teens they will want to buy an Xbox 360. What is sad about your ramble, is that Nintendo has openly talked with developers like Rockstar to get their games, to me that is speaking out when you are talking to one of the most controversial developers around WANTING their games.

What I quite sad about this is that individuals, like Pittbboi, were praising the heck out of little big planet which is about as cartooney and "kiddie" as you can get in style, and when EA tries it is reaffirming a stereotype and Nintendo is at fault (then again I have to realize some of these individuals looked right over Super Paper Mario at GDC, even though it is perhaps one of the most unique and innovative games to come out in awhile). We need to realize the Wii is going to be a console directed more on the mainstream and yes CASUAL market, along with a mixture of hardcore games, and that means game styles like this in addition to the Godfathers, Zeldas, and Red Steels.

Nintendo has done alot to try and change the kiddie image, and frankly they are succeeding with the Wii which has one of the most diverse userbases around. No longer do you hear Wii is a kiddie console, and that shows me quite a bit. To say that Nintendo hasn't done anything to change that opinion is ridiculous, yes they have their own philosophy, but they are also trying to court "hardcore" and more mature game franchises as well, it is up to the gamer, NOT NINTENDO to support games that are not of the "cartooney" style. If they don't sell then you won't see them, that is not Nintendo's fault but the fault of the market or consumer (if the game is a quality game of course).


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« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2007, 07:48:12 PM »
Nintendo made the Miis. These sims look kinda like Miis. Claiming MySims doesn't look more Nintendo-ish than The Sims is silly.

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« Reply #31 on: March 29, 2007, 08:01:34 PM »
Great post VGRev.. I definitely agree with your points.
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« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2007, 08:13:06 PM »
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Actually Pittbboi you are dead wrong, Sony and MS have both openly stated their consoles are for those in the upper teens to mid to late 20s. They don't claim their consoles are for everyone, heck even MS recently said when gamers get past their early teens they will want to buy an Xbox 360. What is sad about your ramble, is that Nintendo has openly talked with developers like Rockstar to get their games, to me that is speaking out when you are talking to one of the most controversial developers around WANTING their games.


I'm not saying that Sony and Microsoft are actually verbally claiming their consoles to be for everyone. They don't have to, because their consoles already have the variety that Nintendo consoles, up until the Wii (hopefully), lacked. However, Nintendo definitely has an image to combat, and trying to persuade a company to bring one game to your system isn't going to do it. I personally think that Nintendo needs to actually speak up about, make it known that Nintendo wants people to look at their console in a different light.


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What I quite sad about this is that individuals, like Pittbboi, were praising the heck out of little big planet which is about as cartooney and "ki**ie" as you can get in style, and when EA tries it is reaffirming a stereotype and Nintendo is at fault (then again I have to realize some of these individuals looked right over Super Paper Mario at GDC, even though it is perhaps one of the most unique and innovative games to come out in awhile). We need to realize the Wii is going to be a console directed more on the mainstream and yes CASUAL market, along with a mixture of hardcore games, and that means game styles like this in addition to the Godfathers, Zeldas, and Red Steels.

Ummm...do NOT include me in this description. I said in my last post that I personally LIKE the art style of MySims. For the kind of game the Sims is I think it FITS. My gripe was with their reasoning, pure and simple.

And quite frankly, the art style of LittleBigPlanet fits too, which is why a lot of people like it. It's a fun game with a wistful, well thought out design and that fits the type of game LittleBigPlanet is more than any other style probably would have. I'd say LBP is a mature take on "ki**ie" as opposed to the ki**ie take on "mature" games that grace a lot of Nintendo's consoles. I could say the very same thing of Super Paper Mario, so I don't think the LBP comparison is very fair.

Again, my gripe was with EA insinuating that they made the Wii version of the Sims in this style because it's what Nintendo gamers want. No, Nintendo gamers just want good games.

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In my opinion, I think EA was stating what they see as true through sales, and that is Wii's age diverse userbase can relate more to the "cartooney" visuals, as seen in Wii sports, especially in conjunction with the Mii feature.

Well, I personally wouldn't call Wii Sports visuals "cartooney". They're more along the lines of simplistic.

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To say that Nintendo hasn't done anything to change that opinion is ridiculous, yes they have their own philosophy, but they are also trying to court "hardcore" and more mature game franchises as well, it is up to the gamer, NOT NINTENDO to support games that are not of the "cartooney" style. If they don't sell then you won't see them, that is not Nintendo's fault but the fault of the market or consumer (if the game is a quality game of course).


I don't think Nintendo has done NOTHING to change their image. I just think that when statements are starting to be made like this about their fanbase that they should be a little more vocal in their efforts and less behind-the-scenes. I mean, if EA believes that, what's to stop this mentality from spreading to other developers? And of course Nintendo gamers will support mature games, but what are we supposed to do under the threat of a climate in which the Wii doesn't get any good ones?  

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« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2007, 08:42:31 PM »
Nintendo's had more success with mature games on the Wii than MS has had with Viva Pinata and Fusion Frenzy. Keep that in mind.

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« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2007, 08:49:51 PM »
Of course. Doesn't mean Viva Pinata isn't a great game. Though I admit it could be selling a bit better, but it's really a niche title.

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« Reply #35 on: March 29, 2007, 08:59:58 PM »
Technically Pitt was right in that MS went the family route shortly after the success of the DS. an oldie but a goodie from Billy Berghammer at Game Informer (10-5-05):

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GI:  Is that your dark horse?

Moore:  I think it’s bigger than a dark horse.  You saw me pimping Kameo six months ago and the game is spectacular.  I love it because I can take it home and play it with my daughter.  There are not a lot of games I can sit at home and play with my 13 year old daughter and both of us can have fun.  The game is so rich and so deep.  [several sentences of kameo worship here]
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« Reply #36 on: March 29, 2007, 09:10:21 PM »
I agree that it's shocking to be characterized as someone who'll fall head over heels for cutesy (even though I have... eheh), but XBox 360 and PS3 gamers don't have it much better, being characterized as people who'll pretty much only buy HD graphics, $60+ games, and bald space marines.

It's in the areas of expanding beyond that stereotype that I think Nintendo is having more success right now than its competitors. Kameo and Viva Pinata are considered disappointments and first-party exceptions to the rule. In contrast, Godfather and maybe even Scar Face and ManHunt 2 (the latter 2 not showing up on X360 OR PS3) are looking very strong indeed, and are THIRD PARTY to boot.

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« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2007, 02:43:04 AM »
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Nintendo made the Miis. These sims look kinda like Miis. Claiming MySims doesn't look more Nintendo-ish than The Sims is silly.

The art style of MySims most resembles Harvest Moon: A Wonderful Life.  I'd say MySims looks more Japanese-ish than The Sims instead of just more Nintendo-ish.  

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« Reply #38 on: March 30, 2007, 04:01:39 AM »
Does no one remember the fact that EA stated at day One that MySims was created for specifically the Japanese market, I also remember a time when it was unclear if MySims was going to be Japan Only.

This style is very popular in Japan, and just because over here in the US some people see it as "k!ddy" doesn't mean it is. Would you all have rather not seen this game come over to the US? If people are so hung up with what looks childish and what doesn't we should just stop bring games over that are aimed at the Japanese market. That would fix everything.

For me MySims looks freaken amazing, I personally HATED all previous Sims games but for the first time ever I'm actually looking forward to this.
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« Reply #39 on: March 30, 2007, 04:49:06 AM »
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I'm not saying that Sony and Microsoft are actually verbally claiming their consoles to be for everyone. They don't have to, because their consoles already have the variety that Nintendo consoles, up until the Wii (hopefully), lacked. However, Nintendo definitely has an image to combat, and trying to persuade a company to bring one game to your system isn't going to do it. I personally think that Nintendo needs to actually speak up about, make it known that Nintendo wants people to look at their console in a different light.


I think Sony and MS (this gen) will have a hard time making their consoles look like anything but overpriced behemoths aimed at the lonely nerd type.

But I agree that Nintendo should make an effort to establish their image and they've largely done that. I'm sure they understand how important image is after the last console war was lost largely because their image allowed the other console makers to dismiss them as a console for children and it basically worked on males age 13-30.
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« Reply #40 on: March 30, 2007, 04:54:48 AM »
I wish Miis looked more like MySims (maybe a tad less cutesy). Maybe then they wouldn't be so downright ugly.

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« Reply #41 on: March 30, 2007, 05:14:49 AM »
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I think Sony and MS (this gen) will have a hard time making their consoles look like anything but overpriced behemoths aimed at the lonely nerd type.


I dunno. For a new console that launched not too long ago, the Xbox360 really isn't all that overpriced. It's still in the realm of affordable for a gamer that wants to buy it. I honestly see Xbox totally jacking Playstation's market this gen, something I never thought I'd say about a Microsoft console. Though whether or not this puts them in 1st place over the Wii is yet to be seen.

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I'm sure they understand how important image is after the last console war was lost largely because their image allowed the other console makers to dismiss them as a console for children and it basically worked on males age 13-30.


Yeah, Nintendo definitely "gets it" now. They are definitely working behind the scenes to make their console more appealing for developers to make a full range of games for. I would just like Nintendo, in the face of someone making such a generalized and mostly untrue statement about the preference of Nintendo fans, to speak up about it. Say something like, "Nintendo fans enjoy all sorts of games and are open to all types of graphical styles...*cough*aslongastheydon'tfuckingsuck*cough*".

I...I almost feel like the girl at the bar who some drunk dude gets mad at and calls a whore, and Nintendo's the boyfriend who doesn't defend me. I mean...so what I was a wearing a leather miniskirt and 4-inch pumps! I was only doing it to look good for my man in front of his friends! I usually wear jeans and a modest blouse!

...well, might have taken that analogy a bit far...but I hope someone gets my point.

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« Reply #42 on: March 30, 2007, 06:01:31 AM »
Okay, that was weird.

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« Reply #43 on: March 30, 2007, 06:56:01 AM »
The problem definitely is the attitude that a game has to look and play a certain way for the Nintendo audience.  That is not going to result in better games.  Games that are suitable for all ages can be great.  Nintendo is very good at making them.  Games designed specifically for kids usually SUCK NUTS.  There is a big difference.  With kids as the target audience everything gets dumbed down.  It's the same with everything.  Some animated films are designed to be suitable for all ages while some are designed for kids.  The kids ones SUCK.

The best way to make something for everyone is to make something for an adult audience and then make sure it doesn't have any swearing or nudity or graphic and viola.  The Princess Bride is a film that everyone likes but it's clear they didn't sit down and say "let's make a kids movie".

Regarding graphics Nintendo has to set the standard.  So far they haven't released a game that doesn't look like it could be done on the Cube.  Most of their games have intentionally simplistic designs.  Zelda probably has the best graphics and it is literally a Cube game.  The Cube version proves that the graphics in that game do not require the Wii hardware.  Super Paper Mario is coming up and it was originally a Cube game so again Nintendo will have not set the bar.  Once Nintendo releases something that actually has a jump in graphics that required the better hardware then the graphics will improve.  And Nintendo already has some games like that in the works.

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« Reply #44 on: March 30, 2007, 07:45:20 AM »
Once MP3 hits, it'll set the standard for certain.
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« Reply #45 on: March 30, 2007, 07:48:04 AM »
: MySims art style is interesting, fun, and unique on its own merits.
: EA saying it was designed for the Nintendo audience.
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« Reply #46 on: March 30, 2007, 08:35:55 AM »
I expect Umbrella Chronicles to surpass MP3.
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« Reply #47 on: March 30, 2007, 11:09:42 AM »
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I...I almost feel like the girl at the bar who some drunk dude gets mad at and calls a whore, and Nintendo's the boyfriend who doesn't defend me. I mean...so what I was a wearing a leather miniskirt and 4-inch pumps! I was only doing it to look good for my man in front of his friends! I usually wear jeans and a modest blouse!

...well, might have taken that analogy a bit far...but I hope someone gets my point.


Wait wait... Nintendo's your boyfriend?!?!?!?!?

Yeah... a little bit too far there, lol.

Besides, if fans put out more for other types of games, then maybe those companies would be more interested in courting us.

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RE: Interview about MySims...uggg
« Reply #48 on: March 30, 2007, 11:26:53 AM »
Piitboi is Nintendo's maid...

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« Reply #49 on: March 30, 2007, 02:31:26 PM »
I'm not worried about Nintendo being stereotyped as a system for kids. Quite the opposite actually. I'm worried about it being stereotyped as a system for OLD PEOPLE.

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