Topic: Whoa! Ouch...A little harsh there Chris...

[Pittbboi]

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Gee I seem to recall someone attacking me personally, oh wait that was you!

Unless I made I direct reference to you in my first post, I really wouldn't say the fault lies with me here.

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You haven't backed up ANY of your comments on why Warhawk, Home, and the sims wannabe are pimp slapping anyone.

Are you referring to LittleBigPlanet as the Sims wannabe? Or do you mean Home?

And, as I've already said. Sony definitely went into the GDC with everyone expecting them to fumble in a major way. But they didn't. Outside of the Warhawk issue (which is in major contention), pretty much everything they've done today has garnered positive press, which is a definitely turn-around for the PS3 since, well....since it was unveiled. Everyone was ready to count Sony out this gen...Now, not so much. That isn't just MY opinion, nor is it just an "Eh, maybe..." response. Granted, the purpose of this thread was not at all to praise Sony, but since you saw it fit to focus on this one and only minute aspect of what I said, well...I had to follow it up with something.

Granted, Nintendo's day to shine is tomorrow, and despite issue with the stock trade I definitely believe they still have a lot of interest things to present to the conference. But having devs come out and blast you in such a scathing, public AT the conference is not a good look, even considering how hot the Wii is right now. I'm hoping (and I believe) that Nintendo has something to counter that tomorrow, even if it can't be anything major.

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: Pittbboi

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Gee I seem to recall someone attacking me personally, oh wait that was you!

Unless I made I direct reference to you in my first post, I really wouldn't say the fault lies with me here.

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You haven't backed up ANY of your comments on why Warhawk, Home, and the sims wannabe are pimp slapping anyone.

Are you referring to LittleBigPlanet as the Sims wannabe? Or do you mean Home?

And, as I've already said. Sony definitely went into the GDC with everyone expecting them to fumble in a major way. But they didn't. Outside of the Warhawk issue (which is in major contention), pretty much everything they've done today has garnered positive press, which is a definitely turn-around for the PS3 since, well....since it was unveiled. Everyone was ready to count Sony out this gen...Now, not so much. That isn't just MY opinion, nor is it just an "Eh, maybe..." response. Granted, the purpose of this thread was not at all to praise Sony, but since you saw it fit to focus on this one and only minute aspect of what I said, well...I had to follow it up with something.

Granted, Nintendo's day to shine is tomorrow, and despite issue with the stock trade I definitely believe they still have a lot of interest things to present to the conference. But having devs come out and blast you in such a scathing, public AT the conference is not a good look, even considering how hot the Wii is right now. I'm hoping (and I believe) that Nintendo has something to counter that tomorrow, even if it can't be anything major.

Well when you say it like that, I agree, I was mainly referencing your "grow up" statement. The reason why I focused on your final comments is because the way you worded it made it sound like Sony is some incredible force decimating Nintendo and MS with its pimp slaps, when it seems you meant that Sony has been getting positive press. In regards to devs blasting Nintendo, isn't Chris the only one with such scathing remarks (and as someone pointed out he hasn't been consistent himself in the past!). I still want to know how much freedom Nintendo has in the way of already announced projects, I guess we'll find out tomorrow.  

[Ian Sane]

It's rather ironic for a guy designing a game published by Electronic Arts is accusing someone else of not caring about gaming as an artform.  Okay I'm taking a cheap shot since Maxis is somewhat of an exception to the "EA games are purely commercial and have no artistic merit" rule.  That is until the expansions show up.  The Sims, anyone?

Though Nintendo did gimp the Wii hardware so I think any criticism regarding that from developers is totally exceptable.  I'd argue that Nintendo's artistic credibility has been hurt since this whole "non-gamer" thing started.  An artist probably wouldn't dumb down their product to attract a wider audience.  But Nintendo has always had a bizarre balancing act between artist and businessman.  They'll release some of the greatest and most creative games one day and release Pokemon shovelware for a quick buck the next.  They're like Sega with business sense.  They create game art but do so in a way that remains profitable.

But there really aren't any game publishers that aren't in it for the money.  Nintendo at least will allow a game like Pikmin to be made.  Some publishers like THQ honestly don't give a crap if the games they released are good or not provided they sell.  Nintendo at least has a strong commitment to quality.  They might only do that because they feel making a good product is smart for business but that sort of attention to their product gives them artistic credibility.

Complaining about the console licencing system is silly.  Part of what contributed to the crash was the surge of unregulated crap that came out once Activision introduced the idea of third parties.  Nintendo saved the market partially by having some control.  Now they abused it and their main intention was likely money and the Nintendo Seal of Quality was no indication that the game was good but blantantly broken games were mostly kept out of stores.  Their are PC games that are literally unplayable.  I forget what it's called but there is some monster truck game where the AI racers don't even move off the starting line.  Crap like that doesn't end up in stores for consoles and that benefits everyone.

And if a company wants to avoid any restrictions put on by console makers then the PC is right there.  We've essentially got three countries with governments and one land of anarchy.  That's pretty flexible.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Ah the seal of quality, how I wish it truly meant that!

[Pittbboi]

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Hey for the heck of it, let's quote exactly what you said, to show my points are NOT off base of what you said....

Now, if he were complaining about Nintendo resting on that and not taking the Wii to the levels it could reach, I'd probably agree. But that's not what he said, and the comment just taints what could have been a pretty scathingly honest critique that Nintendo probably needs right now.

Keyword "probably" - as in that is the only conceivable issue I can see where someone could possibly form a substantial argument to say Nintendo isn't following through. As in, if he had said that, his comments wouldn't have been immediately written off as ridiculously stupid. People might have still disagreed, but they would have at least considered his words first.

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Nintendo better come with something tomorrow, because with this on top of the fact that Sony is laying down the pimp hand today, Nintendo's getting seriously shown up

Why would I say Sony's pimp slapping Nintendo when Nintendo's day to shine is tomorrow? Honestly, again, just because I said Sony's doing something right for once doesn't mean I was using that as a critique of Nintendo, especially when they haven't had a showing yet. Sony's pimp slapped the GDC, and having the most interesting showing at the conference isn't guaranteed to Nintendo. Basically, they have competition at the conference. For crying out loud that's ALL I meant.    

[GoldenPhoenix]

Probably the game I am most intrigued by is the new Star Wars game, but then again that series has some major ups and downs.

Oh Yeah:

No Afrika news or gameplay demo=fail

[Flames_of_chaos]

I think that this thing about pittboi is hillarious. And Spoiler Alert! Pittboi is a Sony fanboy hiding in the closet

[Pittbboi]

Oh ha ha ha. Say anything good about anyone other than Nintendo and you can just forget it...

[BigJim]

I just watched the 4 minute IGN video of LittleBigPlanet. It looks incredible. That's the next generation of 2.5D side scrollers. Very impressive.

FWIW

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: Pittbboi
Oh ha ha ha. Say anything good about anyone other than Nintendo and you can just forget it...

No just Sony. :-P

[GoldenPhoenix]

In regards to littlebigplanet, is that actually gameplay footage? Not sure about the gameplay but the visuals look stunning.

[Pittbboi]

I believe that's actually gameplay footage. I don't see why it wouldn't be.

Getting back to Nintendo, though. I don't see why they can't expand on things the public doesn't already know about, tomorrow. Or is that prohibited, too?

[Mario]

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But having devs come out and blast you in such a scathing, public AT the conference is not a good look, even considering how hot the Wii is right now.

It's more embarassing for the person who actually made those comments.

[Flames_of_chaos]

Well paper mario is looking great and we have a solid date for the first online Wii title in America. The Q2 for Wii and DS look healthy.  

[The Omen]

The problem with Heckers ridiculous high school rant is this:  He not only has no idea what art entails, he actually implies indirectly that he is the artless one, not Nintendo.  Artists don't let a lower grade of delivery hinder them.  Art is imagination.  If he truly believes he has been hamstrung because of tech, then it is he that is misinterpreting what art really is.  Hell, there was art on cave walls thousands of years ago, yet he can't fathom art on the Wii?  Preposterous.  

Or he was really drunk and trying to be satiric.  Either way, he's a dope, that much is true.  

I do believe Nintendo has dropped the ball somewhat with the Mii channel.  I never worried that the Mii channel hadn't been expanded or at the very least updated because I didn't expect Sony/MS to attempt something this grandiose.  Now it just seems plain stupid that Nintendo have basically offered us the appetizer without the main course.  Not being able to mention a peep about anything at this GDC has certainly killed them.  All the press is Sony dominated, and yes it will effect sales since people have been waiting for good news on the PS3.  The Wii still has the momentum, but this could have been the knee on the neck of Sony, instead, the playing field is back to level, and it's Nintendo shooting themselves in the foot once again.  I don't give a rat's ass about company stocks/shares.  I mean, this whole thing just stinks, and frankly I'm pretty much aggravated by it.  We should have been hearing about the online titles coming, Mii channel V.2...and now it appears we'll hear nothing.

[Dirk Temporo]

This just in: Will Wright bitchslaps Chris Hecker for insubordination.

[capamerica]

Did anyone let this asshat know that The Sims and Spore is coming to NINTENDO systems.
I don't think we'll be seeing Mr. Hecker speaking again for a long time... at least not as a memeber of Maxis or EA.

EA must be really pissed at what he said since they are now a huge suporter of Nintendo. This guy is a real idiot, He's about as bad as the retard over at Epic Games.

It wouldn't surprize me if he's looking for a new job come Monday.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Do these shows really dictate game sales? I seem to recall GC getting tons of good publicity then tanking, so I wouldn't call it a huge deal breaker for Nintendo. By watching the footage of LittleBigPlanet, I get the awful feeling the game will play like a tech demo, it seems shallow but has neat little visual effects and physics.

[NWR_pap64]

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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Do these shows really dictate game sales? I seem to recall GC getting tons of good publicity then tanking, so I wouldn't call it a huge deal breaker for Nintendo.

If there's one thing I learned throughout the years is that sometimes fan/industry rabble does NOT always determine the outcome of a game or console.

Take for example, the PSP and DS. EVERYONE in the industry and even the fans said that the DS would tank and that the PSP would destroy Nintendo's handheld dominance, mainly because it was the thing gamers wanted in a next gen handheld. 3 years later and the DS is a worldwide phenomenon.

Another example is the Wii itself. When the final name was revealed EVERYONE said that Nintendo was doomed because no one would take seriously a console with a name like "The Wii", all playing Chicken Little and predicting doom. Now its outselling the 360 and the PS3 and the support is coming in like never before.

Once again, fan and industry hype will not determine the future.

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By watching the footage of LittleBigPlanet, I get the awful feeling the game will play like a tech demo, it seems shallow but has neat little visual effects and physics.

Just like Elebits!

BA-DUM, TSSSHHH!

[UncleBob]

Just wondering, besides the unproven-on-the-market Spore, what has Chris Hecker created?

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: pap64

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By watching the footage of LittleBigPlanet, I get the awful feeling the game will play like a tech demo, it seems shallow but has neat little visual effects and physics.

Just like Elebits!

BA-DUM, TSSSHHH!

NOOOO, you did not just say that. Well Sonic SR is basically a tech demo from the GBA Tilt N Tumble era! Zing!

[The Omen]

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Do these shows really dictate game sales? I seem to recall GC getting tons of good publicity then tanking, so I wouldn't call it a huge deal breaker for Nintendo. By watching the footage of LittleBigPlanet, I get the awful feeling the game will play like a tech demo, it seems shallow but has neat little visual effects and physics.

Actually, the GC tanked later on in it's cycle.  It started strong though.  The sales were very good, outselling the Xbox, which it ended up getting spanked by later on.

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: The Omen

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Do these shows really dictate game sales? I seem to recall GC getting tons of good publicity then tanking, so I wouldn't call it a huge deal breaker for Nintendo. By watching the footage of LittleBigPlanet, I get the awful feeling the game will play like a tech demo, it seems shallow but has neat little visual effects and physics.

Actually, the GC tanked later on in it's cycle.  It started strong though.  The sales were very good, outselling the Xbox, which it ended up getting spanked by later on.

True, but PSP never really had a big start and it probably had some of the strongest positive feedback and showing a system could get. Really I don't think many people pay attention to these trade shows besides the "Hardcore" gamer, most wouldn't know an E3 or GDC if they heard about them, instead they will look at what is on the shelf and advice they get!

[Deguello]

Nintendo has commercial flop art-cred. They published Electroplankton and Chibi-Robo.   The first is, by Nintendo's own admission, a piece of visual art, and the second is a quite obtuse platformer.  Hell imagine this.  Ouendan is getting a sequel.  It flopped in Japan.  Any other company would cut it off at the knee.  Nintendo says "no, there must be more."

[NWR_pap64]

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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix

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Originally posted by: The Omen

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Do these shows really dictate game sales? I seem to recall GC getting tons of good publicity then tanking, so I wouldn't call it a huge deal breaker for Nintendo. By watching the footage of LittleBigPlanet, I get the awful feeling the game will play like a tech demo, it seems shallow but has neat little visual effects and physics.

Actually, the GC tanked later on in it's cycle.  It started strong though.  The sales were very good, outselling the Xbox, which it ended up getting spanked by later on.

True, but PSP never really had a big start and it probably had some of the strongest positive feedback and showing a system could get. Really I don't think many people pay attention to these trade shows besides the "Hardcore" gamer, most wouldn't know an E3 or GDC if they heard about them, instead they will look at what is on the shelf and advice they get!

Yeah, like I said, people praised the PSP like it was the true next gen handheld while many dismissed the DS as being the next Virtual Boy.

I think it was because:
- The PSP was seen as the first true competitor. Yeah there was the Wonderswan and the Ngage, but this was a worthy competitor, one that had destroyed Nintendo on the N64 and GC era.

- The PSP sounded like the logical step in gaming while the DS seemed like one big gimmick. This was strengthened by a really poor launch and gimmick games.

It wasn't till the right games hits that word was spread about the DS. That and the final 300 price point for the PSP hurt it.