Topic: Are We Sure Metroid Prime 3 Will Have Online? Reggie's At It Again....

[Smash_Brother]

Compared to what the Wii WILL have shortly, this IS a drought.

But no, I don't mean to imply that what's happening now is unacceptable: it's the typical post launch release  schedule.

[UltimatePartyBear]

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In fact, it has been pointed out a number of times that the Metroid, F-Zero and StarFox universes could EASILY be the same universe: F-Zero is rife with bounty hunters and anthropomorphic animals, Metroid deals with all manners of alien life and SF focuses on interplanetary combat with between anthropomorphic animals (not to mention "James McCloud" being an F-Zero racer...).

James McCloud is just a cameo/reference.  It's similar to Mr. EAD looking like Mario, wearing a StarMan belt buckle, and driving a machine made by a man named Shiggs with the performance ratings EAD.  The only relationship it implies is that the games were made by the same people.  It may be possible to combine them, but it would be pretty silly.

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But how would a Metroid RTS be any different from, say, how Mario Party, Kart, etc. are spinoffs from the original Mario franchise?

The Mario franchise is already outrageously silly.  Anyway, like I said, we all have different places where we draw the line.  How would you like it if the next official Metroid sequel had Samus fending off amorous space pirates with seltzer water while dancing to pop music in a bumblebee costume, controlled entirely by voice input?  I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you'd think that was really dumb.  That's about how I feel about the idea of any Metroid game that isn't about Samus on a lonely crusade against all thing Space Pirate.  If Nintendo made up something new for that bumblebee seltzer water dancing game, it might be a hit.

For an example of expanding a setting the bad way, take Star Fox.  Dinosaur Planet was originally going to be an all new setting, but Star Fox got crammed into it just because.  Then what should have been the game to redeem the series saw Fox spending most of his time on foot, as if anyone every played the original Star Fox and thought, "You know, this is neat and all, but I'd much rather get rid of all this flying nonsense and be totally ineffective."  After two screwups in a row, I gave up on the series.  Command might be fantastic for all I know, but the series is dead to me until it returns to the straightforward, violent mayhem of the titles I liked.  I do not want to see Metroid or any other franchise suffer Star Fox's fate.  If Nintendo wants to try new things, they should find new characters to do it with.  It worked for Pikmin.  That could have been a game about Mario chunking Toads at Goombas, but I don't think I would remember it as fondly if it had been.  

[Smash_Brother]

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James McCloud is just a cameo/reference.  It's similar to Mr. EAD looking like Mario, wearing a StarMan belt buckle, and driving a machine made by a man named Shiggs with the performance ratings EAD.  The only relationship it implies is that the games were made by the same people.  It may be possible to combine them, but it would be pretty silly.

Yeah, I know it's just silly cameos for the hell of it, but I have to disagree about the universes combining being silly. F-Zero would be more friendly to combine with since it has both bounty hunters and anthropomorphic animals at the same time, but yeah, if Fox McCloud suddenly showed up in a Metroid game, I'd cry "WTF!?!" as well.

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The Mario franchise is already outrageously silly.  Anyway, like I said, we all have different places where we draw the line.  How would you like it if the next official Metroid sequel had Samus fending off amorous space pirates with seltzer water while dancing to pop music in a bumblebee costume, controlled entirely by voice input?  I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you'd think that was really dumb.  That's about how I feel about the idea of any Metroid game that isn't about Samus on a lonely crusade against all thing Space Pirate.  If Nintendo made up something new for that bumblebee seltzer water dancing game, it might be a hit.

So, uh, what did you think of Metroid Pinball?

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For an example of expanding a setting the bad way, take Star Fox.  Dinosaur Planet was originally going to be an all new setting, but Star Fox got crammed into it just because.  Then what should have been the game to redeem the series saw Fox spending most of his time on foot, as if anyone every played the original Star Fox and thought, "You know, this is neat and all, but I'd much rather get rid of all this flying nonsense and be totally ineffective."  After two screwups in a row, I gave up on the series.  Command might be fantastic for all I know, but the series is dead to me until it returns to the straightforward, violent mayhem of the titles I liked.  I do not want to see Metroid or any other franchise suffer Star Fox's fate.  If Nintendo wants to try new things, they should find new characters to do it with.  It worked for Pikmin.  That could have been a game about Mario chunking Toads at Goombas, but I don't think I would remember it as fondly if it had been.

What if Metroid Prime 4 (or the next 3D Metroid) launched with Metroid Wars a month after it? The games are two separate entities, clearly aimed at different audiences and yet share the same franchise.

What's the worst that could happen in that case? Someone gets confused and buys Metroid Wars when they meant to buy Metroid? On the plus side, you might wind up enticing many Metroid fans into trying RTSs and drawing in RTS fans and possibly convincing them to try the canon Metroid games.

Like I said, it'll never happen, but I don't think a Metroid spinoff would compromise the integrity of the main series. Hell, if Metroid PINBALL didn't, how could a well-crafted RTS?

[Caterkiller]

The next Metroid will be 3rd Person due to the remote, and tiny corridores will be worked around some way. Nah, I doubt it.

Man, you guys and these huge discussions! I don't want multiplayer at all. But you know what, if it is in the game and its good I will be glad its there. I just want this game now.  

[Kairon]

God... to be a Galactic Federation marine...

FPS, TPS, RTS, I don't care. Just get me in that universe...

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[UltimatePartyBear]

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So, uh, what did you think of Metroid Pinball?

I found it lacking as a pinball game.  As a Metroid game, it has about as much impact on the actual setting as Smash Bros. does.  It's a nonissue.

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What if Metroid Prime 4 (or the next 3D Metroid) launched with Metroid Wars a month after it? The games are two separate entities, clearly aimed at different audiences and yet share the same franchise.

What's the worst that could happen in that case? Someone gets confused and buys Metroid Wars when they meant to buy Metroid? On the plus side, you might wind up enticing many Metroid fans into trying RTSs and drawing in RTS fans and possibly convincing them to try the canon Metroid games.

Like I said, it'll never happen, but I don't think a Metroid spinoff would compromise the integrity of the main series. Hell, if Metroid PINBALL didn't, how could a well-crafted RTS?

I'm not worried about people getting confused.  In the case of an RTS, it's not really so much about ruining the Metroid series, either.  It's about the game being better served by a new setting.  Getting back to my original point, just because Metroid is a fairly serious scifi series doesn't mean that it's a good setting for any genres that are typically set in a scifi setting.  That said, a Metroid RTS could be an avenue for bad things to enter the franchise.  For example, most of the big RTS games these days have more than two playable sides.  While I wouldn't be overly bothered by a game about the Space Pirates and the Galactic Federation, if they decided to make the Chozo a playable race, I'd think ill thoughts.  It's possible to expand a franchise well, like Four Swords, and it's possible to do it badly, like Dinosaur Planet.  Either way, I'd still rather see new settings for new games.

I'm not totally opposed to expanding franchises.  You may not recall, but my first post here was about how I'd like to see a free-roaming game in the F-Zero setting starring Captain Falcon.  I seem to recall you liked the idea.  If I remember right, I mentioned F-Zero as a counter to another setting....

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I wouldn't see it as a bad thing if the Metroid games evolved to include more of what happens off of these deserted planets. Samus receives contracts, goes to planets to accomplish them, and like any contract, you have no idea what to expect. Some could be rescue missions, some are assassination missions (don't even try to argue that Samus has something against killing things), others could be a "bring 'em back alive" mission where Samus could actually apprehend a bounty, throw them into stasis and return them to the contractor.

The concept of exploration would still be readily available, but the Metroid universe could come to life in a way it never has before.

I'm not opposed to expanding Metroid, but I'd really rather see that concept done with Captain Falcon.  There's already a good foundation for that gameplay in the F-Zero setting (and F-Zero fans would probably be less militant about such a spin-off than Metroid fans).  Yeah, I know a new IP would be preferable in many ways, but Nintendo already has at least three franchises starring bounty hunters/mercenaries in a scifi setting, and of those (Metroid, F-Zero, and Star Fox) F-Zero is the one best suited to expanding in this way.  A lot of people would probably mock the game as Grand Theft Auto: Mute City, but I think it would be interesting to see what Nintendo could do with that style of open-ended play.

Okay, sorry for interrupting.  Go back to talking about MP:Hunters now.

[NWR_pap64]

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The main game was pretty weak but the multiplayer was definitely worth it, especially against friends and not just random people from the internet (though I did those too).

I'm almost ashamed to admit that I won a bunch of online games against random opponents from the...bathroom.

At the time I borrowed the game I didn't have Wifi or friends with DSs and copies of the game, so all I had was the one play campaign, which was boring as hell.

Again, I wish I had gotten the game when the release hype was there. I hate missing out on hot online games due to lack of fund or not being able to buy it.

[segagamer12]

>>how would a Metroid RTS be any different from, say, how Mario Party, Kart, etc. are spinoffs from the original Mario franchise?<<


It exactly the same thing. I hated mario Party, Kart, sports etc because they took away form the magical kingdom and ruined the whoel mario Universe. BUT they turned out to be rpetty fun games and after  while i adjusted and now I like mario pary and kart a lot.


Some fans will be so offened by the change they will give up all hope and not play the new games (liekI had for a long time) others will welcome the change and others still will resit for a while but get won over once they see how fun it is.


Metroid isn't as big of a name as people think, and a lot of people bought a GC for MP and found out they didn't like it hence why MP2 didnt sell as much.

I am all for Online in MP3 but I also see where guys like Ian are coming from as I know that as a franchise dear to him he doesnt want to see it ruined. Its like how I hated sunshine toa point where I almost gave up on Nintendo altogether. I am an old school gamer and very much like my games to stay within thier original boundries while still changin with the times only where necesary.

[Dirk Temporo]

Uh... Wasn't it already like, confirmed by Nintendo that MP3 wouldn't have online?

[Kairon]

I'm pretty sure it was. But fanbois like to dream don't we? We even like to have nightmares.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[NWR_pap64]

Hey, blame it on the secrecy and delay of the game.

And what issue of Nintendo Power are you talking about, Dirk? Like I said, Nintendo has said NOTHING about the game's progress since it was delayed back in September.

[Artimus]

Metroid RTS makes no sense because Metroid has almost no units. It's a game of individuals, mostly.

I say make a brand new franchise. If it's good then you have the added bonus of a NEW franchise to exploit.  

[ShreddersDojo]

I don't know why, but Regginator sounded like Donald Trump in that sentance.... especailly the 'fabulous' comment .

[blackfootsteps]

Metroid FPS online...meh, but Metroid Morph Ball racing online... I'd like to see that!

[Maverick]

PartyBear:  I actually think your free roam bounty hunting game idea would work WAY better for Metroid than F-Zero.  

[Smash_Brother]

A Metroid MMORPG would probably make PB explode.

But I CAN see your point: watching the canon of a series be undone just downright sucks.

[GoldenPhoenix]

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A Metroid MMORPG would probably make PB explode.

But I CAN see your point: watching the canon of a series be undone just downright sucks.

Which is why it would be wise for Nintendo (or Retro) to create a new IP to use with these things.

[Smash_Brother]

Like I've said, I don't care what they use for a franchise, I just want a Nintendo-made online FPS.

[IceCold]

I'll say this; if they add online in the game, I don't think they'll have enough time to do it properly. Nintendo probably wants this out to be their big summer title, and I think they'd need a few more months at least to polish off the online portion. My prediction is Galaxy for Christmas and SSBB next year, and it goes with the whole "strategically placing" first party titles that Reggie was talking about.

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I would really rather see Retro develop a new IP for online multiplayer, perhaps being the Wii's answer to Halo which Metroid Prime will NEVER be because they are two dfferent types of FPSs. If Retro is given free reign with a new IP, I'd much rather see them utilize that to create the "Benchmark" for Wii FPSs when it pertains to online since they do not have to be restricted by the Metroid License.

Exactly.

[Kairon]

Thankfully, MP3 will finish off the Prime trilogy and Retro can probably turn its focus to a new IP. The same goes for NST hopefully.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[Smoke39]

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Thankfully, MP3 will finish off the Prime trilogy and Retro can probably turn its focus to a new IP. The same goes for NST hopefully.

Does that mean we'll have to wait another fifteen billion years for a new Metroid game again, like we did after Super Metroid? D:

[MaryJane]

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Thankfully, MP3 will finish off the Prime trilogy and Retro can probably turn its focus to a new IP. The same goes for NST hopefully.

Does that mean we'll have to wait another fifteen billion years for a new Metroid game again, like we did after Super Metroid? D:

If everyone keeps bitching about online play and forgets to buy this game, then probably.

Who gives a sh!t if you don't like online play? It isn't a mandatory part of the game. "I feel it ruins the solitude of the game which is it's main feature", o.k so then don't play it, why is that so hard? I'm all for online play, but you know what if they don't include it, I'm not going to cry about it either.

It's a two way option, it's an option for Nintendo to put it into the game, and it's option for the consumers to play it or not.

[denjet78]

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Who gives a sh!t if you don't like online play? It isn't a mandatory part of the game. "I feel it ruins the solitude of the game which is it's main feature", o.k so then don't play it, why is that so hard? I'm all for online play, but you know what if they don't include it, I'm not going to cry about it either.

It's a two way option, it's an option for Nintendo to put it into the game, and it's option for the consumers to play it or not.

Actually, there is a third option to keep in mind: Should they waste time, energy, and resources just to throw a "me too" online feature into the game because a bunch of hardcore whinny babies seem to think that online multiplayer FPS, which is practically all there IS to online right now, is the future?

Come on here people. Let's be honest. No one is doing anything worthwhile with online. Since it's inception it's been used for almost nothing but straight up competitive "deathmatch" play. And 99% of the titles that employ it are... you guessed it: FPS. And it's not even being used to compliment the single player experience! Basically they're writing two completely different titles: A single player game and the online multiplayer. Why can no one come up with any other BETTER ideas for online? The whole situation is a total and complete crock.

How many people here would buy an online only game? Considering how crappy the single player mode is in Halo, why isn't it an online only game? If they stopped wasting resources on building the single player game wouldn't the online game be that much better? So why isn't it online only? Because as much as developers may play online up, and as much as hardcore gamers may eat it up, everyone knows for a FACT that online cannot stand on it's own. Hell, this is MS, the internet KINGS and they don't even believe that an online only game will sell.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Until online can stand on it's own two feet it is a GIMMICK plain and simple. It can never reach it's full potential being tethered to an offline play mode. There needs to be a MAJOR paradigm shift before developers are actually going to be able to do anything with it.

In the mean time, why in the world do so many people seem to think it's the second coming? It could be, yes. But as of right now, and into the foreseeable future, it is anything but. And until that distant future gets here I don't understand why anyone would want to blow money on what is essentially nothing but wasted potential.

[Maverick]

Am I the only one who loves Halo single player? (MUCH more than multi-player I might add.)

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: denjet78 How many people here would buy an online only game? Considering how crappy the single player mode is in Halo, why isn't it an online only game? If they stopped wasting resources on building the single player game wouldn't the online game be that much better? So why isn't it online only? Because as much as developers may play online up, and as much as hardcore gamers may eat it up, everyone knows for a FACT that online cannot stand on it's own. Hell, this is MS, the internet KINGS and they don't even believe that an online only game will sell.

I would: I'm completely for the idea of games which are built from the ground up to be multiplayer experiences.

I was pissed as hell about the fact that HAL Labs poured so much time and effort into the single player experience on SSBM when the multiplayer suffered as a result through a total lack of balance and clones.

I would have traded every last trophy and single player level for Ganondorf to have at least one more original move that wasn't shared with Falcon.

SSBM is ABOUT multiplayer: focusing on anything else is just bullsh*t.

...Hence why I'd be fine if there's no multiplayer mode in MP3. Like I said, my main concern is that Nintendo is holding back the online progress of the Wii by not implementing it themselves. They need to get it out there, or stop being pigheaded and just let Ubisoft do it instead.