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« on: March 14, 2003, 05:28:44 AM »
When R/B came out, Yellow followed after some time.  When G/S came out, Crystal followed after some time.  Do you think we can expect a 3rd Pokemon game in the Ruby/Sapphire series?  

I'm not really that into Pokemon (used to own Blue), but I remember it being fun and pretty addicting, and I never tried to be really good in it.  I figure if a 3rd Pokemon game comes out, I'll just wait.  Also, will the game be a lot different from RBY?  I hope I won't be lost in it, as I never owned GSC.

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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2003, 05:34:20 AM »
I've only managed to play a little of Sapphire so far, but I'm loving it so far.  It's pure Pokemon, plus a lot of neat enhancements that are making it new enough where I don't feel it's too similar to the older games.

As for a third game, it's entirely possible ... the obvious jump would be Pokemon Diamond.  Maybe Pokemon Emerald, to go with the new Emerald colored controllers in Japan?
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2003, 06:41:16 AM »
Actually, I'd recommend getting Ruby or Sapphire over any upcoming variant.  If you have one of those, you'll only need to find someone with the other to catch them all.  If you get "Emerald" or whatever comes out in the future, you'll have to trade with both Ruby and Sapphire owners.
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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2003, 09:06:07 AM »
Here's my question...

I have never played a single Pokemon handheld game (though I did rent the N64 ones and didn't like them, but those don't count).  I also did not like traditional RPGs up until about 2 or 3 years ago, but now I love them.  Would you recommend that a non-Pokemon fan pick up one of these?  and which one would you recommend getting (though it probably doesn't matter too much)?
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2003, 09:35:10 AM »
Well, I'm not sure how you could expect to be a Pokemon fan if you've never played them, but they're basically standard RPG fair that's focused on collecting and growing your Pokemon.  Story isn't as emphasized as much as most console RPGs these days so keep in mind that the majority of the games involve battling and raising EXP levels. Hope that helps.
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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2003, 11:31:16 AM »
"Actually, I'd recommend getting Ruby or Sapphire over any upcoming variant. If you have one of those, you'll only need to find someone with the other to catch them all. If you get "Emerald" or whatever comes out in the future, you'll have to trade with both Ruby and Sapphire owners."

That's not how it worked with R/B/Y (I'm not exactly sure about G/S/C, but I thought it was the same). Yellow had all of the "rare" Pokemon that were missing from either Red or Blue, but was missing it's own Pokemon that were previously thought to be common, because they had been in both Red and Blue.

So all you needed was access to two colors in the series, any two colors, and you had a chance to get all of the Pokemon.

If you're buying only one version, then I don't think it really matters much which one you get. If you're buying two, because you have friends willing to play Pokemon, but not willing to buy Pokemon, then I think it's a good idea to get one of the first two, and then hold out for the third one, because you tend to get a bit more "variety" in the gameplay and storyline that way.


"I have never played a single Pokemon handheld game (though I did rent the N64 ones and didn't like them, but those don't count). I also did not like traditional RPGs up until about 2 or 3 years ago, but now I love them. Would you recommend that a non-Pokemon fan pick up one of these? and which one would you recommend getting (though it probably doesn't matter too much)?"

Red and Blue are the originals. They started (so they predate and weren't "affected" by) "The Pokemon Craze". They're simply GameBoy RPGs (from the original black and green "GameBoy" days) that can be judged like any other RPGs. IMO, they're a bit dry, but extremely unique, which makes it easy to see how they kicked off their own "craze".

Yellow has more of an anime feel. Which either helps offset the dryness of the first two, or makes you run away screaming, and cursing the name of Pikachu. Considering that you were able to rent the N64 games, I'd guess you can handle it.

Gold and Silver have a very cool 7-day-a-week 24-hour clock thing. The early bird gets the worm, so if you want to catch one you're going to have to actually drag yourself out of bed at 6:00 AM on a Sunday morning and get out there to hunt one. And then there's the coolness factor of the "shiny" Pokemon that you have a 1-in-100,000 chance of finding.

Crystal is just G/S with the chance of playing as a girl (or so I've heard).
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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2003, 11:40:09 AM »
hehe, i just noticed that i didn't mention ANYWHERE in my original post that I was really only considering either Ruby or Sapphire.  So, if that changes what anyone has to say about my Pokemon-stance, please do.
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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2003, 03:26:40 PM »
I have some questions about pokemon ruby and sapphire.
I know this game is supposed to be a lot better than gold and silver, but I have some doubts.

First, will it take longer to beat than G & S? I know those versions had a lot more gyms. Ruby and Sapphire only have 8.

I'm pretty mad about not getting 100 pokemon you would normally get? Why weren't they included as being catchable? Not enough space?  Can you catch pikachu?

Does the E-reader have any functions in this game?

Why don't they have the day and night features? I heard they're not in it.

Everyone is saying this game is so great, but i see more downgrades than upgrades. I preordered this game already, i'm just a little disapointed about some of the things I read about it.

How long will it take in this game to get to a trading center? I wanna get all 3 starting pokemon with the help of my brother's gameboy. (U know, my brother gets a new pokemon, trades it to me, restarts the game, gets another new one, gives it to me...and so on...

Know if there will be any cool code that duplicates your pokemon or items like in the gold and silver versions?

Are there any small features that are new, or have been taken away?

Do we still have breeding?

Can the pokemon still hold items?

Hope you can answer all this.

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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2003, 04:47:34 PM »
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First, will it take longer to beat than G & S? I know those versions had a lot more gyms. Ruby and Sapphire only have 8.


Can't tell ... not far enough into it yet.  Still, I don't think you can consider the game "beaten" until you've "caught them all".

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I'm pretty mad about not getting 100 pokemon you would normally get? Why weren't they included as being catchable? Not enough space? Can you catch pikachu?


Changing the Pokemon around keeps the game fresh and new.  But yes, Pikachu is in the game.

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Does the E-reader have any functions in this game?


Yes, and it's pretty frickin' cool, too.  Once you've reached a certain point, there are challenges you can do by scanning cards that came with the game.  You'll need a friend and a link cable to do them, though.

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Why don't they have the day and night features? I heard they're not in it.


Uh, because there wasn't enough room in the cart for the real-time clock and battery?  Dunno.  I do know that I had to set the clock in the beginning though, and it appears to keep time.  So while the graphics might not change for day and night, it does appear to be keeping time.   I might be mistaken, though.  I'm not too far into it.

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Everyone is saying this game is so great, but i see more downgrades than upgrades. I preordered this game already, i'm just a little disapointed about some of the things I read about it.


You will likely not be disappointed once you get it.

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How long will it take in this game to get to a trading center? I wanna get all 3 starting pokemon with the help of my brother's gameboy. (U know, my brother gets a new pokemon, trades it to me, restarts the game, gets another new one, gives it to me...and so on...


You get to your first Pokemon Center within 10 minutes.

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Know if there will be any cool code that duplicates your pokemon or items like in the gold and silver versions?


Don't know yet.

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Are there any small features that are new, or have been taken away?


Yes.  But I'm not telling yet.  

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Do we still have breeding?


Yes.

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Can the pokemon still hold items?


Yes.
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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2003, 08:18:36 PM »
Hey, thanks for the impressions Rick, i cant wait for this game. But i have some questions, are any of the following Pokemon in the game, Luigia, Ho-oh, Raiku, Entei, Suicune. Just say yes, no or i dont no if ANY of those pokemon are present in Ruby/Sapphire. And can you trade pokemon from Gold/Silver to Ruby/Sapphire. Thanks in advance

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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2003, 10:28:31 PM »
Actually, all the Pokemon are in Ruby and Sapphire. Their data, sprites, info, everything. They can be caught with Gameshark or Action Replay, but if you don't want to cheat, you'll wait for the official way to get them from Gamefreak and Nintendo. If you want to check out their hidden sprites for now, go here: http://user.yagb.de/meowth346/index.php?menu=sozai

All 386 sprites are there. There's a Pokedex there, too, having the information for all 386 (even the "unobtainable" Pokemon have new moves). They most likely will be unlocked by the new Gamecube game coming out in the summer in Japan, or by those e-reader features added in the English version.

Me, though, I am buying a Gameshark on Monday. A hardcore fan like me has to have access to all 386 Pokemon. Don't worry, though, I don't use cheating deviced to raise my stats or add illegal moves or anything, I just use them to catch all the unobtainable Pokemon at level 5. After doing that, I may as well sell the cheat device, since I'll have what I needed...ALL THE POKEMON TO TRAIN AND BREED! MWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Anyways, don't worry, people, they're all in there, ya just gotta wait. Or, if you don't wanna wait, get a cheat device and unlock 'em all! 386 Pokemon!
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« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2003, 03:17:24 AM »
I'm really interested in some of the new changes they made.

At first I was a bit worried on two-on-two battles being more of a slap-on thing, but as I read more it seems that Nintendo really put an effort into modifying the moves for it. I'm sure that'll be fine.

Aside from that the new "Pokémon natural abilities" that I've read about sound really nice as well.

I'm not worried about not having the previous lands to go to, I'm happy enough with one land and of course being able to battle my friends .

I am curious about the GCN game... since PGC reported that it may require the GBA game to connect to it.

I do wish that Nintendo would drop the "Yellow" and "Crystal" type of thing... and just keep it Ruby and Sapphire.. I really don't wish for an "Emerald", "Diamond", "Topaz", or whatever gemstone they wish to place...

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« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2003, 04:53:48 AM »
Actually, from what I've heard, there WILL be an offical way to catch the "hidden" Pokemon.  It may even involve the eReader.
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« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2003, 07:11:31 AM »
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It may even involve the eReader.

I was actually thinking about that possibility... a "killer app" for the E-reader I guess you can say...

I am still very curious to the GCN Pokémon still. Hopefully we'll see something this E3, I'm hoping it won't be a Stadium either.

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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2003, 03:16:36 AM »
"And then there's the coolness factor of the 'shiny' Pokemon that you have a 1-in-100,000 chance of finding."

The first time my brother played Pokemon Silver the very first Pokemon he encountered was a shiny one.  At that point in the game he didn't have Pokeballs yet and thus couldn't catch it.  As you would expect he was quite pissed off.

My brother and I are greatly anticipating these games.  Unfortunately because we're Canadian when they'll be released here is kind of unknown.  Games usually come out here a few days later ranging from 1 day to sometimes 3 or 4.  My brother's on spring break right now and naturally wants to get the game while he doesn't have school.

"Everyone is saying this game is so great, but i see more downgrades than upgrades. I preordered this game already, i'm just a little disapointed about some of the things I read about it."

I agree.  G/S had the night/day thing and the ability to explore the world from R/B.  According to any reports I've read neither of those features are available in R/S (though the other world thing might be a secret).  Plus you can't trade with the previous games like you could with Gold/Silver.  Naturally because they're on different consoles I don't expect that to be a feature but it's still a key feature of Gold/Silver missing in Ruby/Saffire.  The amount of new stuff in R/S seems rather small judging by any previews I've read.  

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« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2003, 07:14:36 AM »
Anyone that thinks these games "aren't long enough" is off their rocker.  I was hoping to have my review done for today, but I'm not even close.
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« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2003, 03:00:38 PM »
I'm a very happy person in my ruby version my version exclusive legendary turn out to be a shiny Pokemon. (Unless of course all of them end out to be shinny) And tomorrow I can accually understand what I have been playing all that time. I will be one happy gamer tomorrow.
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« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2003, 10:20:18 PM »
I know there are 4 player multiplayer things in the game, but can you play a 2 on 2 game with only three players?
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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2003, 09:57:45 AM »
I recently beat Sapphire. It felt too short for me. I mean the loss of  184 of the old pokemon. Not including Johto and Kanto and no side quest after the Elite 4.(Not including catching Rayquaza and the regis I caught those too) It just felt so short. Although i could understand nintendo's reason for not wanting to add those in. I guess they wanted a fresh start for pokemon and this is what ruby and sapphire is. I mean a lot of posts i saw on message boards people were saying that they didn't even want to use any of the new pokemon and just wanted mewtwo. I'm not like that i actually have a new favorite pokemon and thats blaziken. But i would have liked to be able to catch a cubone and a dratini. And i would have liked to be able to travel to Johto and Kanto. Anyway I decided to shark some of the old pokemon. Also there is a gameshark code that enables the Natoinal Pokedex. That version of the pokedex have the old pokemon dex entries starting with bulbasaur being #001 Chikroita #152 Treeko being #252 and Rayqaza being #384. There are 386 pokemon in total. There have been talk over at the gamefaqs board that Johto and Kanto will be able to be played by the gamecube version. Johto and Kanto can be made into the gamecube version and you upload your data from R/S on the gba and play Johto and Kanto in full 3d on the gamecube. I do believe that some kind of way Johto and Kanto will be able to be played because Johto and Kanto are mentioned in Ruby And Shappire. But there have to be someway that you can get the old pokemon as there are pokedex entries there and there is someway you get the national pokedex upgrade Legally. I don't see a nintendo event for  184 pokemon and i don't think the e-reader is the answer either i don't see nintendo making us buy  184 trading cards for the pokemon. And to prove my point that the old pokemon will be able to be caught later on is that there are 2 new unowns a ! one and a ? one but unowns are one of the 184 pokemon that can't be caught. I am almost certain that the Gamecube Game will have some part in it. I just hate how nintendo is doing this and taking our money. All well Until then i will be playing with my current team. Blaziken Maraowak Dragonite Medicham Absol and Kyrgoue    
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« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2003, 12:33:09 PM »
I agree...but i think nintendo cut some pokemon out was because there'd be too many pokemon to catch...of course its an easy game so catching those many pokemon will be a snap...but keep in mind this game is geared for a younger audience

I still do agree...nintendo should have added the other pokemon in...it be interesting to see Mewtwo in 2 vs 2 action

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« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2003, 03:02:09 PM »
Yes it has a day/night function one of the first Pokemon you capture evolves different depending on the time. If its day it goes to a Butterfree type Pokemon, if its night it goes to a more moth like creature. And their are different Rarer Pokemon that come out at different times. They even made it dependent on early morning, morning afternoon, evening and night. I went through the Japanese games and didn't get most of the 203 Pokemon you can get between the two because I play on a pretty regular schedual (mostly in the night and the morning.)
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« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2003, 05:59:48 AM »
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If its day it goes to a Butterfree type Pokemon, if its night it goes to a more moth like creature.


Umm...That's not the way it seemed to me. I originally caught a Wurmple and a Cascoon.  The Wurmple changed into a Silcoon and then a Beautifly.  The Cascoon turned into a Dustox.  If it is time sensitive, it certainly doesn't show any visible signs of it.
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« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2003, 06:20:35 AM »
My brother, who is further in the game than I am, thinks that the Wurmple evolves into a different form depending on whether it's a male or female.

I got Ruby last night but unfortunately I didn't get home until late so I only ended up playing for 25 minutes or so.  So far I really like the game.  The best part is that I don't know about any of the Pokemon in the game so it really feels like I'm discovering new Pokemon instead of just seeing characters from the TV show.  Red/Blue was never quite as interesting because from the Pokerap I knew about all 151 at the time already.

Too bad Zelda's coming out so soon and will likely pull me away from this great title.  What's with that?  Nintendo will go for months without releasing anything and then releases two of their biggest games within a week of each other.  Interesting fact: In North America each new Pokemon game (as in not Yellow or Crystal) has come out the same year as a 3D Zelda game.

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« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2003, 06:45:53 AM »
By the way, I finally got to the popularity contests last night, and they are a great addition.  

In other news, a reporter asked me to tell her about my Makuhita, and in response I said, "FIGHTS LIKE A GIRL."  :-D
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« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2003, 01:00:16 PM »
I have a question... is the move deleter back so I can delete those HM moves later on?

So far I beat the first gym and... well... the rest might be spoilers.

Anyways, it's really interesting to start up fresh and have all these unfamiliar Pokemons around me, as of this point I have yet to see a Pokemon from the old game.