Author Topic: Halo 3 wants to rape you. (Read 18106 times)

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #25 on:** November 02, 2006, 05:55:49 AM »

I bought the theatrical and extended versions of each of the LOTR movies, but I did so knowing the releases would come out like that from the beginning. It was widely known before the first DVD even came out. The boxed sets of the complete trilogy were obviously coming, too, but I already had everything I wanted by then, so it didn't matter to me.

The first collector's edition of a game I ever bought was Warcraft III. I consider it a mixed bag. The art book was nice, but smaller than I'd hoped. The soundtrack CD would have been nice if the soundtrack itself hadn't turned out to be absolutely horrid. The DVD is kind of neat since it also has the cutscenes from the earlier Warcraft games on it. Overall, though, if I had to do it again, I wouldn't buy the collector's edition. Because of that, the only other collector's edition I've bought was for Empire at War, and only because the cheaper version wasn't available anywhere. Talk about a ripoff. It has a screensaver and a couple desktop backgrounds, and a handful of extra maps. Oh, and the box the game came in is all shiny and holographic or something.

So, yeah, I'm pretty turned off of collector's editions.

vudu · « **Reply #26 on:** November 02, 2006, 07:46:03 AM »

Nevermind; sorry.

Ceric · « **Reply #27 on:** November 02, 2006, 09:20:33 AM »

I bought the Collector Edition of Warcraft III as well. I was GREATLY disappointed by the game itself and the Art Book. I thought the Art Book would be better considering the masterpiece that was the Warcraft II manual.

Artimus · « **Reply #28 on:** November 02, 2006, 09:37:33 AM »

The LOTR example is a good one. The first two editions were perfectly fine. New Line announced both long before the Theatricals were released, and the two versions contain two very different films. It makes perfect sense.

But releasing these new sets, without the option of just buying the new documentaries, is disgusting. They purposely withheld the docs and refused to tell anyone, then they released expensive 2-disc sets to get more money. They should have released the new docs on 1 or 2 discs seperately, as well as with the films. But they didn't, and they deserve to rot in hell. Thankfully that was all New Line, and not Jackson.

This Halo thing I don't see the problem with. They're releasing three versions at the same time and you can choose any. It's not like you're being forced to buy things you don't want. I think a lot of people will love buying the collector's set. To use LOTR again, I own the collectors sets of all the Extended Editions (the ones that came with statues). Those cost a lot more but they were worth it to me, personal. To someone who doesn't care about statues, the option to just buy the films is there. Same with this Halo thing.

hudsonhawk · « **Reply #29 on:** November 02, 2006, 10:39:38 AM »

Seriously what's the big deal here?

If Nintendo was offering a Metroid Prime: Corruption special edition that shipped in a Samus helmet with a ton of extras, you'd be all over it.

I completely disagree that if a bunch of people are willing to pay extra for a special edition of one of the most popular games on the market that ships in a giant plastic head will lead to game inflation.

Consumers have the option of buying this. That's not rape, it's just a dumn overpriced special edition for the rabid fans. You're brazenly trivializing the meaning of the word.

Spiraling development costs and inflation drove up game prices this generation, not little plastic heads.

Kairon · « **Reply #30 on:** November 02, 2006, 09:17:41 PM »

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Originally posted by: Ceric
I bought the Collector Edition of Warcraft III as well. I was GREATLY disappointed by the game itself and the Art Book. I thought the Art Book would be better considering the masterpiece that was the Warcraft II manual.

QFT.

The WarCraft II Manual was a collector's edition in and of itself. Sorta like the LTTP Player's Guide.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

KDR_11k · « **Reply #31 on:** November 02, 2006, 10:00:18 PM »

It's optional, why are people complaining?

Magik · « **Reply #32 on:** November 03, 2006, 02:56:25 AM »

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
It's optional, why are people complaining?

Because everybody loves to complain about something.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #33 on:** November 03, 2006, 05:37:53 AM »

I think there was some scare about "Oh what if these aren't optional one day?" but I think that's unfounded. People love cheap games, and for every uber-nerd that will actually pay $100 for Halo 3, I'm sure there's at least one person who will buy the cheap version. Probably two or three.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #34 on:** November 03, 2006, 06:51:06 AM »

Collector's Editions have been commonplace for quite some time now.

Shecky · « **Reply #35 on:** November 03, 2006, 05:29:51 PM »

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Originally posted by: TrueNerd
What I am upset about is that game prices for Sony and Microsoft have just gone up $10 and just about every game also has a "special" edition for an additional $10. On top of that, companies like EA are nickling and diming gamers for downloadable content that they used to include in their games for free, and don't even get me started on the sh*t Sony is pulling with Gran Turismo. The cost to play video games has gone up a lot in the last year, and will continue to do so.

Also, this is the exact same thing Microsoft did with Halo 2. Halo 2 was one of the first games to have a special edition for $10 more and when they sold a f*ckton of those, they said, "Hey! We can charge these suckers $60 for all games!" And that's exactly what they did. If the Legendary Edition is a wild success, who's to say that $100 games aren't the norm in five years? An extreme possiblity, I know, but it sets a precedent that consumers will do this. I do not want that precedent set, and I would think most people would agree on that one.

If Nintendo really did release an uber edition of Twilight Princess, yeah, you bet I would want it. However, I would do my best to fight that urge knowing that if I and a whole lot of other people bought it, I would likely be paying more for Twilight Princess 2, and that is why this upsets me.

Well, when I gave the TP example, it's not exactly apples to apples. We'll likely never see a TP bundle (GCN and Wii) even though a Zelda collector would probably buy it. Reason is that the games are technically still for two different platforms. It'd be like seeing the same game for PC and Mac bundled together.

I agree with the discouragement of current trends. Micropayments above all are *evil*. Seriously, I'm sad that I don't see more people upset with the concept. Microsoft has outright embarrassed the idea. Nintendo hasn't shown any desire to push the idea in their games, but that doesn't mean they wont if it takes off. After all they do have the right system in place to make it happen (Wii points).

What's the "Gran Turismo thing"?

TrueNerd · « **Reply #36 on:** November 04, 2006, 11:53:38 AM »

The Gran Turismo thing is that with the next Gran Turismo, you will get a disc with some bare essentials on it and then you can download all the other tracks and cars from there. I don't remember the exact amount, but if one were to download everything, it would cost around $600 or so. And it was only two years ago when that stuff would cost you $50.

I don't think the idea of microtransactions is inherently a bad one, but no one's done it right yet. I'm not really sure how one does it right, but it certainly isn't THAT. ^

KDR_11k · « **Reply #37 on:** November 05, 2006, 02:59:47 AM »

.50 to 1$ for cars, 2-5$ for racetracks, zero cars or tracks in the base game, 30 cars and two tracks in the deluxe version.

wandering · « **Reply #38 on:** November 05, 2006, 04:07:06 AM »

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It'd be like seeing the same game for PC and Mac bundled together.

Hey, it happens. I specifically remember the special edition Starship Titanic box set coming with cds for both pc and mac.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #39 on:** November 05, 2006, 04:40:00 AM »

Some games come with both versions on the same disc even.

capamerica · « **Reply #40 on:** November 05, 2006, 08:05:54 AM »

Warcraft 3, Diablo 2, StarCraft and World of Warcraft had both versions on the same disc.
Myth 1 & 2, Duke Nukem 3-D, Mechwarrior 2, Shadow Warrior, Riven, Myst 3: Exile, StarTrek Games (minus Elite Force 1 & 2), Railroad Tycoon 3, You Don't Know Jack, Sim Series (minus The Sims) and most of the Educational and Board games.

If the game wasn't published by MacSoft or Aspyr it was then normally pubished with both versions on the same disc.

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #41 on:** November 06, 2006, 11:12:54 AM »

I was just reading some impressions of Halo 3, and I really don't get why everyone gushes over this series. Is there something so great about Halo I am just missing? I hate the weapons, I hate the maps, and I hate the floaty controls. Can someone fill me in on why this game is great (Besides vehicles, I agree those are fun)?

hudsonhawk · « **Reply #42 on:** November 06, 2006, 11:37:39 AM »

I love the story, the atmosphere, and huge sense of scale. It has great set pieces, something you don't see in many games. The music is great, and gives it a real sense of levity. Halo 2's multiplayer is great - matchmaking, playlists, and virtual couches make it the most painless online interface for quickmatching on a console.

I know it's "cool" to hate on Halo but it does a lot of things really really well.

wandering · « **Reply #43 on:** November 06, 2006, 11:39:06 AM »

GET OUT.

j/k

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #44 on:** November 06, 2006, 12:20:16 PM »

Trust me, I am the last person to think it's cool to hate on Halo. I really just don't like the game. I owned Halo 1 and I even played through the whole game, and I honestly thought it sucked. Hell I even gave Halo 2 a shot and it felt the same to me. The levels were bland, I spent more time running around than doing a damn thing and I barely could stay awake playing it.

I agree that the Halo 2 online interface is beautiful but the weapons always seemed to ruin the gameplay experience for me. The n00b combo is just irritating to deal with not to mention that goddamned sword. Everytime I ask this question I always hear how easy it is to get an online game going, how does that make the game(play) good?

"It has great set pieces, something you don't see in many games."

hudson can you clarify this for me? I'm not sure what you mean by that.

hudsonhawk · « **Reply #45 on:** November 06, 2006, 03:05:35 PM »

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Originally posted by: Mr. Jack
I agree that the Halo 2 online interface is beautiful but the weapons always seemed to ruin the gameplay experience for me. The n00b combo is just irritating to deal with not to mention that goddamned sword. Everytime I ask this question I always hear how easy it is to get an online game going, how does that make the game(play) good?

Well two things. One, it reduced the barrier of entry into the game. Did you ever try to play the online multiplayer in Conker? Or GRAW? That's exactly how NOT to do it - you can't set up a game without wading through a sea of options. You have to manually pick which game to choose. It's overwhelming to the casual gamer.

With Halo2 it was so much easier to get your friends to get online and play with you. All of my friends would be on for 4-5 hours a week. There was always a virtual couch for me to join. Clans were a breeze.

Second, it was quick. Just hit Quickmatch and 30 seconds later you were in a match that was no longer than 5 minutes. I play online casually, usually in short bursts, so I don't want to accidently end up in a 30 minute CTF match, or have to fiddle around with finding opponents.

The DS games ape this really really well in theory - but the gameplay types don't vary (no CTF with strangers in MP:Hunters for example - deathmatch only) and waiting to find a match can be an exercise in frustration. Maybe it's by virtue of popularity but even now you don't have to wait for opponents.

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"It has great set pieces, something you don't see in many games."

hudson can you clarify this for me? I'm not sure what you mean by that.

Here's a better definition, courtesy of screenwriter John August:

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A scene or sequence with escalated stakes and production values, as appropriate to the genre. For instance, in an action film, a set-piece might be a helicopter chase amid skyscrapers. In a musical, a set-piece might be a roller-blade dance number. In a high-concept comedy, a set piece might find the claustrophobic hero on an increasingly crowded bus, until he can’t take it anymore. Done right, set-pieces are moments you remember weeks after seeing a movie.

The Halos have lots of moments like this. I remember scenes from it. The bridge crossing in Halo 2... the Silent Cartographer from Halo 1. The production and presentation are very cinematic and very involving.

S-U-P-E-R · « **Reply #46 on:** November 06, 2006, 09:00:29 PM »

Some games ARE worth over a hundred dollars. Like IIDX.

Can we get a list of what this Halo 3 super duper edition has packed in? Something like a special edition controller plus whatever the regular special edition has would totally make it worth it.

edit: I read the link (hurrrr) and it's a bunch of bonus discs and a toy or something. Mmmmmeh.

Shecky · « **Reply #47 on:** March 16, 2007, 04:41:12 PM »

Confirmed

segagamer12 · « **Reply #48 on:** March 16, 2007, 05:48:21 PM »

my 360 owning halo obsessed friend still wants to get the ultra edition with the helmet.

TrueNerd · « **Reply #49 on:** March 17, 2007, 09:06:10 AM »

See? You thought you were only paying $100 for this uber edition and now it's a $130. RAPE TIME CONFIRMED.

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