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Offline epiphany

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« on: March 06, 2003, 12:57:10 PM »
Ok, I don't mind the ads that load up before the webpage does.  Sure they're annoying, but oh well, such is life.  -->BUT<-- having an ad for a PS2 exclusive game on a website about Nintendo is insane...  The Xenosaga ad should seriously be replaced with something Nintendo.

Better judgement in ad selection would be a great idea, IMO.
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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2003, 01:05:16 PM »
There's no reason for us to discriminate game ads.  If they want to advertise the game here, that's fine with me.  Plenty of people on these boards have PS2.
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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2003, 02:34:26 PM »
Actually, I think Planet GameCube should do nothing but advertise GameCube software!  I mean, there's no other software out there, right?  Right?

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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2003, 03:26:05 PM »
Sure, and why don't we just get rid of the "Other Systems" area of the Forum while we're at it.  After all, this is a Nintendo forum ...
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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2003, 03:40:23 PM »
The PS2 ads have always kind of disturbed me too.  I think that it would be a lot better if we at least had ads for Nintendo games on a Nintendo Forum, but hey, I'm not the boss.
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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2003, 03:43:52 PM »
Rick is right, while Nintendo is by far the more intelligent choice, we must not forget there are other game worth experiencing.  If Xenosaga is anything like we have heard, i believe it more than deserves the comercial space.  An i myself own an Xbox, which i enjoy as my "other" system.  The gaming community has many options, it is important to, even if you have a prefrence, still play the field.
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2003, 04:35:44 PM »
I am not debating that Xenosaga is a truly great game.  It's killing me right now to know that I can't afford to rent a PS2 just to play it.  It's just that this IS a Nintendo forum.  It's kind of strange that they would be advertising PS2 games here, since we are GameCube owners, and a lot of us are quite militant about that.
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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2003, 05:13:19 PM »
I think that perhaps that what's possibly the mistake here is the concept that WE are advertising these games.  Ads are ads and the companies and their marketing structures are the ones that decide where they want to advertise.  How effective PS2 ads would be on a GameCube forum is their concern, not ours.
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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2003, 06:07:25 PM »
Exactly, if the ad agencies want to waste their money by not targeting the right demographic (In this case, I think they are targeting the right demographic, game players are game players no matter what, and lots of us probably have a second system, I have Xbox).  But it would just be a poor business decision by Rick and those at PGC to refuse an ad because it is not Nintendo.
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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2003, 08:44:15 AM »
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Originally posted by: Bloodworth
I think that perhaps that what's possibly the mistake here is the concept that WE are advertising these games.  Ads are ads and the companies and their marketing structures are the ones that decide where they want to advertise.  How effective PS2 ads would be on a GameCube forum is their concern, not ours.


So then you have no choice in the matter if a company wants to advertise a PS2 exclusive game on your website dedicated to the news and events of Nintendo?  Has Nintendo ever approached you about advertising, or have you approached them about it?

It's bad enough that when you visit other sites you are bombarded with "hold on for this ad before you can view the next page" stuff that's 90% PS2, but to come here, to find that last bit of sanity in the internet you are again, being the Nintendo fanboy that you most likely are, being forced to view more ads regarding PS2 exclusive stuff.

It just seems counter-productive and immoral IMHO.  I would hope there are Nintendo ads out there that could be used instead of PS2 ones.

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Sure, and why don't we just get rid of the "Other Systems" area of the Forum while we're at it. After all, this is a Nintendo forum ...


Not sure if that was in response to my complaint, but if so...

That was not the focus of my statement.  Having OT forums is a good thing, but advertising in a counter productive manner, in regards to the company you promote, well, that's goofy to me. :/
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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2003, 08:52:47 AM »
I'm with epiphany.  It's a little unbelievable to me to expect that no Nintendo game developers are coming forward and asking to advertise here.  To think that only PS2 developers want to advertise here is a little silly to me.  I just think that some selection should be applied to the ads, rather than just making them first come first serve.  Kind of like Penny Arcade does.  They don't advertise games they don't like, and I don't think that PlanetGameCube should advertise non-Nintendo games.
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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2003, 03:33:33 PM »
I would have to say, why advertise when you already have the market.  They don't need to show us commercials, we are true nintendo fans.  Nintendo should focus on other cites, like any that isn't souly nintendo.  And that is why we see PS2 games here.  They are trying to grab players from the other markets.  While i do understand what you are saying, i believe advertising at PGC is like fixing the clock that isn't broken.  
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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2003, 04:23:48 PM »
People are acting like some taboo's being committed. They're just video game ads. We could certainly do a lot worse. To be offended by them is a bit melodramatic, don't you think?  I don't think there are many movie buff forums out there whose users are going, "Eek! A Time Warner ad! I only want to see Miramax!" or whatever.

I see ads all over the place online and off that I have no interest in. Annoying?  Yes. Does that mean they're demon spawn for making me see it? No. That's just the way it is. Advertising's rarely an exact science and I highly doubt there's enough interest in GameCube-only products from an ad network standpoint, and even less the funding from those specific advertisers, for them to filter it down even further to Nintendo platforms only.

One of the main complaints about Nintendo/GameCube is lack of marketing. Don't think that doesn't directly or indirectly affect us also. We and the ad servers need to get revenue from somewhere. The argument needs to be directed at Nintendo if anyone's unsatisfied with their advertising.

Write to them by snail mail and tell them to support sites like PGC by communicating directly with their readers.

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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2003, 05:43:19 AM »
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It just seems counter-productive and immoral IMHO. I would hope there are Nintendo ads out there that could be used instead of PS2 ones.


This statement is just hilarious... I am currently taking business at university and I just had my second midterm last night (ya... a Friday night )and half of it was on Morality and Business Ethics (Its becoming a big deal right now in the business world because of so many scandals).  Anyways, to say that a videogame site advertising for other videogames is immoral is such a false statement.  Have you looked up the definition of morality?  Maybe if they were advertising porn or something that is seen as offensive by the community as a whole then it would be immoral, but since we as a videogame community don't find videogames offensive, it is really a moot point.

One more question for you... What is counter-productive about PGC making money off of stupid advertisers who aren't hitting their target market?  It isn't counter-productive for PGC to take money for them, it is only counter-productive for the ad-agency because they are just throwing away their money which could be better spent on mabe even an Xbox (since PS2 and Xbox are said to be in the same demographic, but that is strictly from a business perspective, not saying GC is kiddy).  Anyways, to say that PGC is immoral for having PS2 ads on a Gamecube site is JUST a little ridiculous.
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« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2003, 07:26:23 AM »
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It just seems counter-productive and immoral IMHO. I would hope there are Nintendo ads out there that could be used instead of PS2 ones.


This statement is just hilarious... I am currently taking business at university and I just had my second midterm last night (ya... a Friday night )and half of it was on Morality and Business Ethics (Its becoming a big deal right now in the business world because of so many scandals).  Anyways, to say that a videogame site advertising for other videogames is immoral is such a false statement.  Have you looked up the definition of morality?  Maybe if they were advertising porn or something that is seen as offensive by the community as a whole then it would be immoral, but since we as a videogame community don't find videogames offensive, it is really a moot point.


Well, business genius, since you feel the need to attack my opinion (which is why I put the "IMHO" at the end of my post), I'll shoot your flame down.

immoraladj
one of the variations of def: 5: marked by immorality; deviating from what is considered right or proper or good; "depraved criminals"; "a perverted sense of loyalty"; "the reprobate conduct of a gambling aristocrat"

There you go, the part in bold.  A perverted sense of loyalty.  I'll justify my opinion to you so you don't have to waste the time to response telling me to do so.  This is a Nintendo fan site, hence loyalty should be towards Nintendo.  But, there is no need for me to explain any of this to you, as I am obviously wrong in my opinion, as your massive knowledge in your "second midterm" easily shoots down what I believe to be counter-productive and immoral advertising on this fansite.

But, as it has been said, Nintendo apparently just doesn't have the ads or the desire to promote more products on this site, which is why it's forced to run PS2 exclusives.  Oh well, shame on everyone then I guess.

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One more question for you... What is counter-productive about PGC making money off of stupid advertisers who aren't hitting their target market?  It isn't counter-productive for PGC to take money for them, it is only counter-productive for the ad-agency because they are just throwing away their money which could be better spent on mabe even an Xbox (since PS2 and Xbox are said to be in the same demographic, but that is strictly from a business perspective, not saying GC is kiddy).  Anyways, to say that PGC is immoral for having PS2 ads on a Gamecube site is JUST a little ridiculous.


I believe, your excelled knowledge has caused you to see more into what I said than humanly possible.  "It just seems" does not equal "YOU ALL AT PGC!!~~$@! RAWR!"
Unfortunatly, it was followed by another statement of; "I would hope", referring to the hope that there would have been Nintendo ads to run rather than the PS2 ones.  Sadly, you took a dive bomb on the comment and somehow managed to put together the idea that I didn't want PGC to run ads at all, nor make any money from ads.

But, again arguing my humble opinion versus your vast wisdom in the only possible mindset of internet advertising is moot.
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« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2003, 06:31:40 PM »
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immoraladj - one of the variations of def: 5: marked by immorality; deviating from what is considered right or proper or good; "depraved criminals"; "a perverted sense of loyalty"; "the reprobate conduct of a gambling aristocrat"


What is perversely unloyal about PGC advertising videogames on a videogame site.  

A perverted sense of loyalty is an example of being immoral.  You are the one being immoral by having this "perveted sense of loyalty" not PGC.  Just because they cover Nintendo, doesn't give them a perverted sense of loyalty.  I know for a fact that some writers at PGC have other systems, they sometimes mention it in the purple boxes where they reply to articles.  Just because you think that the members of PGC should have a perverted sense of loyalty, doesn't mean that they do.

Do you ever hear fanboyish comments from any of the editors at PGC?  No, because although they are loyal, their loyalty is not perverted or blind.  They are good respectable journalists, and what is the first rule of good jounralism everyone?  Being unbiased.

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I believe, your excelled knowledge has caused you to see more into what I said than humanly possible. "It just seems" does not equal "YOU ALL AT PGC!!~~$@! RAWR!"


I won't even reply to this since you are just putting words into my mouth.  "YOU ALL AT PGC!!~~$@! RAWR!" what is that supposed to mean?  I gather that you are assuming that when you said "it just seems" that I interpreted it as you saying that PGC is counter-productive and immoral.  Please, choose you battle, because you just defended your views of PGC being immoral and now you are saying that you weren't talking about them when you say that it is counter-productive?  You used both words in the same sentence referring to the same entity!  So make up your mind, were you talking about PGC or not?

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as your massive knowledge in your "second midterm" easily shoots down what I believe to be counter-productive and immoral advertising on this fansite.


Not to sound rude, but my knowledge does shoot down your opinion, because I am educated in the field, and (unless you are majoring in business or have a major in business) my knowledge is superior to you in this field, it doesn't make me better than you, just better educated in this particular field.  

I wouldn't argue about physics with a physics major because I am not educated in physics, so really, you shouldn't argue business with a business major because you aren't educated in business.  Simple as that.
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« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2003, 06:41:31 PM »
It's actually a great deal simpler than that.  You are a gamer.  You buy games.  They want to sell you games.  If the game is very, very good, you might even buy the system to play the game on.  The ad is as targetted as is necessary.  They are hitting the exact right group of people.  It may not be a NINTENDO ad, but quite frankly, our website is ONE GIANT NINTENDO AD, and while it would be nice for the advertising to be more Nintendo-oriented, many of our readers are multi-console gamers (or would like to be), so these ads are perfectly acceptable and not at all out of place.
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« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2003, 01:26:28 AM »
This is my last response to you (Cru_Jones), simply because you have no understanding on the subject at hand.  It's going to do nothing but give me headaches trying to figure out what you mean while dancing around what is being discussed and spewing around claims that your opinion is better than mine.

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What is perversely unloyal about PGC advertising videogames on a videogame site.


Here, we have a question asked, that was answered previously, yet you choose to not read what was said.

This is a Nintendo fan site, hence loyalty should be towards Nintendo.

Since you don't understand the usage of perverted:

To cause to turn away from what is right, proper, or good; corrupt.  
To put to a wrong or improper use; misuse.


Since the entire subject has been about the ads...
Using ads not related to Nintendo can be taken as perverted...  They can "turn away from that which is Nintendo" or they can be viewed as, "Ads should be Nintendo, any other game system ads are viewed as being used improperly".

You don't go to IGN.com and see ads for Gamespot.  You don't go to Ford's website and see ads for Chevy products.  You don't go to Blizzard's website and see them promoting Bioware's Neverwinter Nights.

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Just because they cover Nintendo, doesn't give them a perverted sense of loyalty. I know for a fact that some writers at PGC have other systems, they sometimes mention it in the purple boxes where they reply to articles. Just because you think that the members of PGC should have a perverted sense of loyalty, doesn't mean that they do.


You made no sense.  The subject is about the ads, not reviews, purple boxes, PGC members, or what systems they own.  They have a fansite for Nintendo, namely focused at the Gamecube and GBA.  I (there is that word again, that you don't understand), feel that ads talking about games/systems other than Nintendo are immoral.  That is why I made this thread, to express my dislike for their choice of ad selection.  The powers that be have said, in a round about way, that Nintendo doesn't really give them ads to use, which is why they use the other ones.  Fine, discussion handled, not by you though, since your opinion is moot.

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Please, choose you battle, because you just defended your views of PGC being immoral and now you are saying that you weren't talking about them when you say that it is counter-productive? You used both words in the same sentence referring to the same entity! So make up your mind, were you talking about PGC or not?


No I didn't, you're the one that has broadsided this entire thread into a PGC attack.  It has always been about the ad in question: Xenosaga, which is PS2 exclusive.  If you would kindly look back, you will see that I originally asked if the ad could be replaced with something Nintendo.  My second post, again, stated that I wished the ad could be replaced by something Nintendo.  Then I called the ad counter-productive because it advertised something that, most people would consider, a rival for Nintendo.  My third post, was in response to your babbling on about how I didn't understand the definition of "immoral" while you hinted to the fact that I could only use "immoral" if the site were running something that offended the community.  You asked me if I looked up the definition, I did, proved you wrong, showed how it was used, tied it together with my opinion, to justify it in the hopes that you would go away and try to inane tactics on someone else.  It didn't, you reponded, and here we are, again, with you on a pedestal, on a subject you don't appear to fully grasp.

I'm going to stop here, rather than respond to the rest, because I'm hoping, again, that you'll go away.  I'll leave you with some final words.

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It's actually a great deal simpler than that. You are a gamer. You buy games. They want to sell you games. If the game is very, very good, you might even buy the system to play the game on. The ad is as targetted as is necessary. They are hitting the exact right group of people. It may not be a NINTENDO ad, but quite frankly, our website is ONE GIANT NINTENDO AD, and while it would be nice for the advertising to be more Nintendo-oriented, many of our readers are multi-console gamers (or would like to be), so these ads are perfectly acceptable and not at all out of place.


I don't see it that way, but it doesn't matter.  I just wanted to express my distaste for this ad.  
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« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2003, 02:10:03 AM »
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This is a Nintendo fan site, hence loyalty should be towards Nintendo.


This statement, as interpreted by people who understand the English language and it's uses is saying that the Nintendo fansite (In this case PGC) should be loyal to Nintendo.  When using immoral, you are saying that they should be perversely loyal to Nintendo, you don't seem to understand the difference between loyal and perversely loyal, but since you are a stubborn person, I will not try and explain this to you, as well, I will not commit any personal attacks in your direction.  I am an adult, correct me if I am wrong, but I am assuming you are not, and their isn't anything wrong with it.

Just one question... What do you believe Nintendo advertising on a Nintendo site would accomplish.  If you visit this site, you know about LOZ: WW... moreso than any ad could ever inform.  You know as well as I do that Nintendo doesn't have the biggest advertising budget, so why do you WANT them to WASTE their small advertising budget advertising to an informed community?

If you sit back and look at the big picture, would this honestly make sense to you?  Honestly, what person who visits this site doesn't know about all of the big games that deserve to have advertising.  It may be Nintendo's target market, but if your this market (PGC Site) is informed, it is a waste of money to cater your advertisements to that crowd.
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« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2003, 04:15:15 AM »
If an ad for a rival system bothers you this much I strongly advise seeing a shrink.
This is borderline insanity for christs sake.
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« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2003, 06:48:20 AM »
This has gone far enough.  You guys can take your flame-war somewhere else.
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