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« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2006, 02:32:33 AM »
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To Shecky: making a couple more bucks off a single string of sales is not as beneficial maintaining a strong reputation for your current console.


They are orthagonal.  They made the versions 'different enough' to ensure that for general consumption.  If Zelda:TP(Wii) turns out to be the best title at launch and a perfect 10 type game, then how does the existence of a Zelda:TP(GCN) version hurt that?  It doesn't.

Now the userbase of these boards != the userbase of the Gamecube.  Believe it or not there are people and kids out there that will only have a GCN when these holidays are over and they like (or just want) Zelda.  Even if everyone who owned a GCN wanted to buy a Wii on 11/19, they can't.  There aren't enough to go around.  Nintendo has a completed Gamecube game called Zelda:TP.  They already spent real money developing it.  There is real demand for it.  It will garner more than a couple of bucks.

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« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2006, 04:10:17 AM »
You know, you can't really blame Nintendo for the stores that took pre-orders on the game.  Personally, I think it's really crappy of stores to take preorders months (or years) in advance on product that they don't have solid shipping infomation on.  I like eBay's pre-order policy that the item must be guaranteed to be in the hands of the seller 30 days from the end of auction.
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« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2006, 04:30:28 AM »
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I agree with Ian 100% on this. There's a point of principle here, and Nintendo's credibility (already stretched to the limit as far as I'm concerned) is on the line. Even if they lose money on the Cube version (which they naturally won't), they've been taking pre-orders for it for years, they've explicitly promised it for years, they have it, and they absolutely have to release it.

I'm not even willing to mess around with an import version, this is absolute nonsense. If they scrap the Gamecube version I'm not going to buy a Wii under any circumstances. They're not "forcing me to play the Wii version" for my own good, they're telling me they don't value me as a customer, and as there are plenty of alternatives that do, I see no need to allow a company that's become conceited and disreputable to dictate terms to me, nor to take their word on anything ever again.

Nintendo's biggest enemy is fans like you then.  If you followed through with this with every other company that has donen something similar, you would not be buying many games.  The long and short of the situation is...  A game got moved from one console to the next.  This is NOT the first time this has happened.  Why does everyone let the Nintendo/Zelda mistique cloud their judgement?  I really do think part of the reason Nintendo decided to go for a new audience is because they were sick of trying to do the impossible; please their hardcore fans.
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« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2006, 04:33:28 AM »
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Also the change of platforms here is completly different, we are talking about a whole new control method with the new console, in the past slipping into the next generation only made the graphics the biggest difference, the control method was practically identical. A better analogy is a game that went from the SNES to the N64, but I dont think there are many examples of that, and if it happened Im sure the game had to be rehauled completly.

(I apologize for multip posting, as I'm going through the thread)

So why does new control method automatically mean worse?  You haven't played it.  You obviously only agree with people who have played it if their opinion is the same as your baseless one.  This is why they should cancel the Cube version.  Because people like you won't even try the Wii version and there is no reason for that mindset.
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« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2006, 04:35:15 AM »
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Also in the past slipping was a function of a game being incomplete... in this case the game was reported to be "essentially finished" over a year ago. Not releasing an in-hand Cube version seems to have little purpose other than spiting it's loyal customers who bought pre-orders for the game over two years ago.

Nintendo's denying this rumor, thank God... but given the recent track record I'm sweating this until the day I have the game in my hand.

Again, twisting facts for your own arguments sake.  More changed than just the control scheme.  The Twilight world is completely different since the Cube version.  Also, Nintendo has been incredibly tight lipped about other aspects of the game.  Who knows what they've done.  For all we know we could be getting 2-3 more dungeons that we wouldn't have gotten if it launched a year ago.  I know there are no facts to back this up, but you know just as much as I do and you are spouting baseless things.
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« Reply #30 on: October 20, 2006, 04:37:09 AM »
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To Shecky: making a couple more bucks off a single string of sales is not as beneficial maintaining a strong reputation for your current console.


They are orthagonal.  They made the versions 'different enough' to ensure that for general consumption.  If Zelda:TP(Wii) turns out to be the best title at launch and a perfect 10 type game, then how does the existence of a Zelda:TP(GCN) version hurt that?  It doesn't.

Now the userbase of these boards != the userbase of the Gamecube.  Believe it or not there are people and kids out there that will only have a GCN when these holidays are over and they like (or just want) Zelda.  Even if everyone who owned a GCN wanted to buy a Wii on 11/19, they can't.  There aren't enough to go around.  Nintendo has a completed Gamecube game called Zelda:TP.  They already spent real money developing it.  There is real demand for it.  It will garner more than a couple of bucks.

Not to say the same thing again, but it DOES hurt the Wii version because people like the people in this thread won't even buy the game.  And who cares if the people that can't get a Wii don't get the game this holiday season?  Every Zelda game EVER has sold well throughout an entire systems life.  Those people will play it as long as they eventually get a Wii.

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« Reply #31 on: October 20, 2006, 04:59:29 AM »
I definitely agree with Pale here. The Cube version does split it's userbase, and Nintendo is trying to forget the Gamecube. Look at the Wii then look at the Gamecube, do you really think they want to tarnish the ultra sleek Wii image by being associated with the purple lunchbox? I will be buying both versions of the game because I am a total Zelda whore, but I want the Wii version exponentially more. I really don't understand the opinions of some of you guys. If you can't afford a Wii, I understand the frustration if the game was to be cancelled, otherwise, I see no reason why you are getting so pissed. Nintendo purposely moved this game to the Wii and put an ENORMOUS amount of time into it to make the game BETTER. Why in god's name would you want to settle for the version that has remained untouched for a year and received none of the love that the Wii version has? If Miyamoto says it's better, I tend to trust him, after all who would know better than the grand master himself?
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« Reply #32 on: October 20, 2006, 05:32:37 AM »
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« Reply #33 on: October 20, 2006, 06:23:21 AM »
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I agree with Ian 100% on this. There's a point of principle here, and Nintendo's credibility (already stretched to the limit as far as I'm concerned) is on the line. Even if they lose money on the Cube version (which they naturally won't), they've been taking pre-orders for it for years, they've explicitly promised it for years, they have it, and they absolutely have to release it.

I'm not even willing to mess around with an import version, this is absolute nonsense. If they scrap the Gamecube version I'm not going to buy a Wii under any circumstances. They're not "forcing me to play the Wii version" for my own good, they're telling me they don't value me as a customer, and as there are plenty of alternatives that do, I see no need to allow a company that's become conceited and disreputable to dictate terms to me, nor to take their word on anything ever again.

Nintendo's biggest enemy is fans like you then.  If you followed through with this with every other company that has donen something similar, you would not be buying many games.  The long and short of the situation is...  A game got moved from one console to the next.  This is NOT the first time this has happened.  Why does everyone let the Nintendo/Zelda mistique cloud their judgement?  I really do think part of the reason Nintendo decided to go for a new audience is because they were sick of trying to do the impossible; please their hardcore fans.


Yeah, Nintendo's biggest enemy is fans that bought 90+ Gamecube titles. They're much better off catering to little old ladies who bought a DS and Brain Age because CNN Headline News said it would keep them from going senile.

I think Nintendo, and fans like you that are willing to self-lubricate before penetration, are learning entirely the wrong lesson from this generation. The DS got it's big break on the basis of non-games and Sony incompetence. It's still a completely unproven assertion that non-games can work in the same way on a home console, and Sony's incompetence is going to happen at any rate.

The reason I would never buy another Nintendo console if they pulled Zelda from the Cube is quite simple: there's no reason to trust them not doing the same damned thing to the Wii. Look at the past year what we've gotten (Post Fire Emblem, which came out just over a year ago today)... the answer is damn little. The forgettable Odama and a Chibi Robo game you can beat in a single sitting. That's the entire year's first party offering. In fact, we can go back further.

Metroid Prime 2 came out less than 3 years after launch... and you can count the number of worthwhile first party games that came after that on one hand. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not willing to shell out launch prices for a console that's liable to be left to rot on the vine 3 years in.

At E3 this year, Reggie talked about sending the Gamecube out in style. He was, of course, speaking of Super Paper Mario, which has since been cancelled. I'm willing to overlook that fact for now because the better half of what Reggie's said at E3's have been flat out lies... but going out in style would've been a good idea.

Going out in style may be a pipedream at this point, but going out with a shred of class is still attainable. Look, whatever they did in the past year to TP is beside the point. This game is going out in less than two months some places, which means that it's out of the development stage now. It's done. Right now... they're playtesting, maybe getting the bugs out, but it's a finished game.

People keep talking about this having happened many times in the past, has it? Has a company ever thrown a finished, high profile last-gen title into the garbage just to try to drum up sales for the next generation? Because frankly I can't think of a time that's been the case.  

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« Reply #34 on: October 20, 2006, 06:27:26 AM »
I don't think Nintendo in America would does this, if only NOT to piss off Gamestop.
I am one of those few people who refuse to spend money on the Wii version of Zelda.

If Nintendo did do this, it would be a cold day hell before I bought a Wii.
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« Reply #35 on: October 20, 2006, 06:42:52 AM »
Jason, getting past your stupidly graphic metaphor, you still don't site the fact that you are over reacting about a practice that has happened in the industry for years, the fact that games get pushed to next gen consoles.  Maybe this is just the first one that you were looking forward to, who knows.

You then end your statement saying that Nintendo threw a finished title into the garbage.  Again, you have no idea how finished the game was.  You have no idea how much they may have added since the Wii port.  You are making baseless assumptions to try and prove your point.  If you don't plan on buying a Wii, I'm sorry that my suggestion to Nintendo (which most likely isn't going to happen) would keep you from playing the game.  If you are going to buy a Wii, which I'm sure you probably will, you need to stop sitting on your silly 'principles'.

Besides all of this, the GameCube died.  The marketing itself of a game like Super Paper Mario or Zelda is not worth the effort.  Many stores have already pulled their GameCube shelf space.  It would be like throwing money away in order to please supposed hardcore fans who will just go back to being pissed off about something else two days later.  
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« Reply #36 on: October 20, 2006, 07:03:50 AM »
And again, games get pushed to next gen consoles, but completed games? Completed games that were announced to be multiplatform? I go back through the years and I just don't see it. If you've got this big long list, perhaps you'd share a couple with me. Hell, I'd take one.

I don't know if you're totally ignorant of the development process and think Miyamoto just walks out into his garden to harvest full press runs of completed games or what, but in the past couple weeks Nintendo has said that the Gamecube version is coming out in Japan and Australia in the next couple months. That means we're talking about a completed game.

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« Reply #37 on: October 20, 2006, 07:07:44 AM »
I guess I was speaking more in the hypothetical there saying "Nintendo should have just cancelled this version from the beginning"

You are right, at this current moment, it is pretty close to gold.  I don't know why I continue to talk to you about it though, as you get stupidly personal with everything you say...  This is on the Internet I guess.

Anyway.  My main point of the last post is that, in my humble business opinion, the game, completed or not, will not be worth the money in marketing and manufacturing to release.
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« Reply #38 on: October 20, 2006, 07:23:45 AM »
Alright, it's like this. Nintendo goes to work figuring out the best possible marketing strategy for both Zelda TP and Wii, two of their biggest upcoming products (GC is dead, it's not going to sell anymore systems no matter WHAT, RE4 is solid proof).

This is what they come up with, the Wii version of Zelda. THEN they realise, the fans might still want it on GameCube! SO they keep that version JUST FOR US! The GameCube version still exists. Do you think they'd release it in Australia and not America? That's just WANTING bad news, and makes me question some peoples agenda here.

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« Reply #39 on: October 20, 2006, 07:41:25 AM »
That was exactly the rumor, that Australia was getting it but not America... and when some people pointed out that made no sense, others jumped on the Nintendo-can-do-no-wrong bandwagon and started defending the idea of throwing a completed game in the garbage seemingly just to spite Cube owners.

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« Reply #40 on: October 20, 2006, 07:46:40 AM »
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Not to say the same thing again, but it DOES hurt the Wii version because people like the people in this thread won't even buy the game.  And who cares if the people that can't get a Wii don't get the game this holiday season?  Every Zelda game EVER has sold well throughout an entire systems life.  Those people will play it as long as they eventually get a Wii.


Tell me what's the problem with someone picking up the GCN version of TP this winter and a Wii next winter, without ever picking up the Wii version of Zelda:TP?  Is the Wii launch so weak that Zelda as an exclusive is required to justify it's purchase?

The costs have already been spent.  Both versions are go, and a Zelda sale is a Zelda sale.  Dropping the GCN version doesn't force people to buy a Wii, it negates a potential sale.  Money now is better than money later.  That's why it's not smart business.  That's all I'm saying.  

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« Reply #41 on: October 20, 2006, 07:47:19 AM »
"The long and short of the situation is... A game got moved from one console to the next. This is NOT the first time this has happened. Why does everyone let the Nintendo/Zelda mistique cloud their judgement?"

This is the first time THIS has happened.  This is different.  Dinosaur Planet moved but the second it was revealed for the Cube it was annouced as being moved to the Cube.  They didn't tell us for over a year that there was to be two versions.  They didn't wait until less than two months before the scheduled release to cancel it.  They didn't release an N64 version of Dinosaur Planet in Japan and Australia.

If Nintendo just merely moved Zelda to the Wii way back when then it would be the same thing.  But they didn't do that.  They annouced two versions and have allowed us to believe there will be two versions until now which is pretty damn close to release.  To cancel now would be intentionally deceiving their fans and that's bullsh!t and no one should support that or suggest it as a good idea.  I dont care if it even makes sense from a business perspective.  Unless you have stock in Nintendo, Nintendo treating their customers fairly should be all that matters to you.

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« Reply #42 on: October 20, 2006, 09:35:01 AM »
Sure is a lot of heat in this thread about this thing it's for sure Nintendo's done and isn't an unsubstantiated rumor that's already been directly denied with said denial having already been pointed out in this very thread.  Oh look, what's this?
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« Reply #43 on: October 20, 2006, 12:01:08 PM »
I love how joystiq handled causing this maelstrom.  "Oh okay, it is coming out."  No "our bad for causing panic without any significant evidence."
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« Reply #44 on: October 20, 2006, 12:19:43 PM »
Some people mildly irked?  Ian and mantidor outraged for basically no reason whatsoever?  Most people don't care?

Yeah, that's about the reaction I expected from this "news".
Great job getting pissed off Nintendo for nothing.  This isn't even news.  This is joystiq being jerk-offs.
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« Reply #45 on: October 20, 2006, 01:25:45 PM »
"Some people mildly irked? Ian and mantidor outraged for basically no reason whatsoever? Most people don't care?"

See I don't get the part about most people not caring.  Why do a lot of people on this forum not care?  Yeah you get the Wii version but isn't it kind of selfish to be totally apathetic to other people being denied the version they want?  Either way you get what you want so it's not like you gain anything by the Cube version being cancelled.  If Nintendo cancelled it at this point then it would mean they lied to their fans.  Even if it doesn't actually affect you doesn't the very idea of them intentionally deceiving us bother you?  I saw the same thing when Cube didn't go online despite Nintendo promising vague online plans would be revealed at a later date.  They strung us along yet those unaffected didn't seem to care.  I don't get that at all.

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« Reply #46 on: October 20, 2006, 01:31:41 PM »
And it's not cancelled.  So no more boo-hoo ha-ha.

It's just another story blown out of proportion by readers who submit the slightest of information that ends up being posted on a popular website that people ACTUALLY TAKE FOR NEWS.

And Nintendo has a long history of lies anyway.  Just deal with things when the real release times actually come around.
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« Reply #47 on: October 20, 2006, 03:07:08 PM »
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See I don't get the part about most people not caring. Why do a lot of people on this forum not care? Yeah you get the Wii version but isn't it kind of selfish to be totally apathetic to other people being denied the version they want?

The thing is, we love Nintendo more than we love you. If Nintendo decided certain people were unworthy of life, and started rounding them up and killing them, we'd be cheering them on.

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« Reply #48 on: October 20, 2006, 04:32:15 PM »
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See I don't get the part about most people not caring. Why do a lot of people on this forum not care? Yeah you get the Wii version but isn't it kind of selfish to be totally apathetic to other people being denied the version they want?

People care, but they aren't declaring Nintendo evil and insulting those with the opposing views over it. I want the GC version (that i'll play on Wii) and i'm going to get it, no big deal. The only people who want the GC version will be able to get it. The thread title and rumor were incredibly misleading, but hey you can pretend the GC version wont be released if that makes you feel better.

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« Reply #49 on: October 21, 2006, 09:56:49 PM »
it better not get canceled....i have like something going into this

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