Author Topic: Is this a glimpse of the future? Blu-Ray Disc ... (Read 46712 times)

RickPowers · « **on:** March 03, 2003, 09:26:40 AM »

Sony is preparing to release the first-to-market Blu-Ray Disc DVD Recorder. At $4000, it certainly ain't cheap. But a single-layer Blu-Ray disc holds 23GB.

Everyone is wondering if this is the technology we'll see in the next PlayStation, and possibly the next GameCube as well.

So, what's this thing look like? Glad you asked.

http://www.avland.co.uk/sony/bdzs77/index.htm

Talk amongst yourselves ...

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #1 on:** March 03, 2003, 09:34:07 AM »

And how much are the actual players?

What could you possibly do with a 23 GB game?

GokuSSJ2 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 03, 2003, 09:49:03 AM »

23GB! That'd be awesome to have on one disc. If the next gen consoles did use that, well, no more worrying about disc space. I can't even fathom what a game would be like that took up 23GB.

kennyb27 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 03, 2003, 09:50:11 AM »

I sure hope this is a glimpse of the future. I was in heaven while looking at it.

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What could you possibly do with a 23 GB game?

Answer: Anything you want. This size gives you alot of freedom to compile old games create multi game discs, extremely large games, or just short change the consumer and fill up 2GB. Obviously they need to cut the price tag, even though it wouldn't be as high as $4,000 for a console, because it wouldn't need all the specialties of that player, but it will be pricey.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #4 on:** March 03, 2003, 09:51:43 AM »

"What could you possibly do with a 23 GB game?"

Have lots and lots of FMV of course!

Nobody has to use all 23GB but developers would at least now have the freedom to put whatever they want in a game without worrying about disc size. No more mulitple disc games and no more compressed video.

Personally I don't really care about how much space game discs have in the next generation as long as it's not smaller than today's games and all three consoles have the same amount of storage space so that developers can't use the "Gamecube has a smaller disc" excuse.

It says in the article Rick linked to that blank discs are £20 each. Ouch. Those have to come down in price before they get used in videogame consoles. I sure as hell wouldn't want to pay higher prices for games where developers don't even use all of the space paid for.

Hemmorrhoid · « **Reply #5 on:** March 03, 2003, 09:59:09 AM »

Ohh im sure developers will find ways to use 23GB.
Also considering that this new DVD disc has 4times higher bandwith than standard DVDs expect to just see way more info/graphics/textures/physics to be pumped through the system and on the screen.

And im sure Nintendos new console will have it too. Knowing Nintendo they will definetely try to have an even more powerful console than the PS3 and Xbox Next. Which leads to my question.

Do you believe that it even matters to the human eye which next gen system you will have?
The system power now already is closer than ever, and in the next gen I believe that the eye will no longer
be able to see the differences in graphics quality.
I think the next Gen will be the last because the already amazing graphics we have now, and then expecting 500times more polygons
and 20texture layers and all new fancy techniques applied.

So how would you be able to tell the difference between 1billion or 1.2billion polygons?

kennyb27 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 03, 2003, 10:10:14 AM »

Hemmorrhoid, I think this is why Nintendo will shine and Microsoft will fall. With all the systems specs so close, it seems very unlikely that the hardware will "matter" anymore. And thats where Nintendo comes in and Microsoft loses. Nintendo has some of the most amazing franchises, i.e. Mario, Zelda, Pikmin, MarioKart, Animal Crossing, we all know that (except those few blind Xbox followers). And this is why I believe Nintendo will stay in the video game market for a while. However, I do not see the next Gen being the last one because, well, it's a business, it's profitable. It will be stretched even past its height as a market.

Hemmorrhoid · « **Reply #7 on:** March 03, 2003, 10:21:59 AM »

Yes thats excactly what I was thinking. In a generation where graphics wont matter, or atleast not be a real issue for the developer anymore (which we already notice a little in this GEN) I hope to see gameplay driven to a maximum, and thats where Nintendo wins.
I guess PS3 and Xbox Next will be more than gamestations anyway, more like Multimedia devices also for gaming.

I want the next Nintendo to be extremely powerful (ideally the most powerful, it wont matter anyway, but just for the fanboys sake

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and have good online support but other than that just a raw gaming machine.

You guys thoughts about the next gen?

Don'tHate742 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 03, 2003, 10:34:46 AM »

With that much space you wouldn't have to compress ANYTHING! No more compressed textures, sound bytes, FMV.....NOTHING! That means the game would run alot faster, no choppyness(I think), since it wouldn't have to extract the information first before using it.

Also I don't think the next generation will be the last, I mean there will be new techniques applied to games like Cel-shading is applied to games today. As we go along the history more and more techniques will be invented that require the next-gen technology.

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 03, 2003, 10:37:12 AM »

Keep dreaming... Even DVD-A still has compression, and I don't see it being feasible for 1/5 of the game to be dedicated sound. There will still be compression, just a lot less.

Tsunekazu · « **Reply #10 on:** March 03, 2003, 10:54:26 AM »

I am questioning whether Blu-Ray will actually take off. Blu-Ray is one of the formats being considered for HD-DVD. The problem with Blu-Ray is that it's not backwards compatiable with red-laser formats.

Toshiba and NEC are developing their own blue laser format, but it will be backwards compatiable with red laser discs, so anyone who buys their DVD player will be able to watch both DVD and HD-DVD movies. This would also make more sense for a gaming console. If Nintendo choose to use this format, not only could the games take advantage of the space, but they could also include both a DVD and HD-DVD player.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #11 on:** March 03, 2003, 11:08:10 AM »

"Toshiba and NEC are developing their own blue laser format, but it will be backwards compatiable with red laser discs."

This brings up another issue. If these new formats are used in the next generation of consoles how will this relate to backwards compatibility? That's kind of an expected feature now.

Hemmorrhoid · « **Reply #12 on:** March 03, 2003, 11:10:53 AM »

Well I guess that Issue will get solved too.
Imagine Blu Ray GODS, with like 12GB

Infernal Monkey · « **Reply #13 on:** March 03, 2003, 11:17:27 AM »

23GB? Yikes.... Wouldn't like to scratch one of them. Hell, the Dreamcast's GB discs almost exploded when they gained a mere smudge.

Imagine what the like of Square will do with 23 GB?

- Final Fantasy 47
Greeted with two hour intro. Take one step foward, random battle, 40 minute video clip, next step, meet new character, watch hour long video. Throw game in bin.

I smell the likes of 3DO games! *Runs for dear life*

Agent · « **Reply #14 on:** March 03, 2003, 11:24:05 AM »

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Originally posted by: kennyb27
Hemmorrhoid, I think this is why Nintendo will shine and Microsoft will fall. With all the systems specs so close, it seems very unlikely that the hardware will "matter" anymore. And thats where Nintendo comes in and Microsoft loses. Nintendo has some of the most amazing franchises, i.e. Mario, Zelda, Pikmin, MarioKart, Animal Crossing, we all know that (except those few blind Xbox followers). And this is why I believe Nintendo will stay in the video game market for a while. However, I do not see the next Gen being the last one because, well, it's a business, it's profitable. It will be stretched even past its height as a market.

And this is what we call a blind nintendo follower...

As for backwords compadibility. Well the programming language matching the next consoles also helps...

Perfect Cell · « **Reply #15 on:** March 03, 2003, 11:24:06 AM »

Well this is certainly interesting. I really hope though that there is some sort of backwards compability . Also while the technology difference is less, remember, Graphical power is still important, the whole situation with ATI is interesting. Could they make the SAME chip for the GCN2 and Xbox Next? That would make the systems almost identical.

Tsunekazu · « **Reply #16 on:** March 03, 2003, 11:26:37 AM »

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
This brings up another issue. If these new formats are used in the next generation of consoles how will this relate to backwards compatibility? That's kind of an expected feature now.

I wouldn't say backwards compatability is expected. Only 1 recent console has been backwards compatible. I would not say it's expected, perhaps by some, but I wouldn't go as far as saying it's an expected feature. Atari had it, Game Boy had it, Playstation had it. That isn't much. Just because two disc systems are released in a row doesn't mean they are expected to be backwards compatible, Saturn and Dreamcast were not.

Clonester · « **Reply #17 on:** March 03, 2003, 11:34:43 AM »

LMAO, Final Fantasy 47 sounds hilarious (nice one Infernal Monkey!).

Would developers have the option of using either a Blu-Ray disk (HD-DVD? not familiar with these formats) or a normal DVD in the Toshiba/NEC? That would be great for developers, so that large games that would normally make a large profit (like a FF) could use the large Blu-Ray whatever disks and other developers who aren't making a large game or cannot afford to use a more expensive disk can use a normal DVD.

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"It says in the article Rick linked to that blank discs are £20 each." -Ian Sane

Ouch. That's expensive. And don't these disks need to be stored in a special case or something like that? If that really expensive cost doesn't change in the next several years, there will be a slim to none chance that these disks will be used in next-gen consoles. Of course, if demand increases, price will decrease. If this technology is going to be used, console makers had better pray that this storage medium becomes popular.

Joey · « **Reply #18 on:** March 03, 2003, 11:47:38 AM »

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Imagine what the like of Square will do with 23 GB?

Maybe they could make an FMV moive longer than the Spirits Within.

sequoia · « **Reply #19 on:** March 03, 2003, 11:51:35 AM »

If nintendo uses this format, will they just make little discs like the cubes? That woud seem like the thing to do.

theaveng · « **Reply #20 on:** March 03, 2003, 12:26:25 PM »

I DOUBT we'll see these discs in the new 2005 consoles. They'll be too expensive. We'll see Blu-Rays in computers first, and then by ~2010 in game consoles.

I see the new Blu-Rays have cases. That sucks, because they'll be big, bulky and take up lots of space. Right now I can store 200 game DVDs (minus case) in a large notebook. I won't be able to do that with the Blu-Rays.

Even with all that space (23 gigabytes), the new Blu-Rays still hold only *2* hours of HDTV!

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 03, 2003, 01:15:15 PM »

While looking across the blu-ray website I saw that the DVD forum is also considering AOD as the replacement of DVD, so it is not the only option...

RahXephon · « **Reply #22 on:** March 03, 2003, 01:18:40 PM »

I believe the final Gen of games, or the farthest future, will be games bought over a complete wireless internet. All the problems we have now with piracy will be gone by then. And connection speeds will be outrageously fast. At most it could take 30 minutes to download. There are glitches in modern technology, but i think they will all be gone soon.

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 03, 2003, 01:24:26 PM »

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Originally posted by: RahXephon
All the problems we have now with piracy will be gone by then.

....are we talking decades, that is until quantum computing becomes feasible?

JurassicParkFan · « **Reply #24 on:** March 03, 2003, 01:37:18 PM »

I would say that it will be several more generations before those are used.

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