Author Topic: Rumour: Third Party companies are shifting many of their projects from the PlayStation 3 to the Wii (Read 26320 times)

Kairon · « **Reply #50 on:** June 17, 2006, 09:20:39 AM »

Talk about the price and spread of good broadband technology in the US will, if allowed to follow it's course to the rational source of such concerns, inevitably turn to politics.

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KDR_11k · « **Reply #51 on:** June 17, 2006, 09:34:15 AM »

You mean because of the net neutrality issue? Nintendo never paid many "partner" fees so they ended up with crappy shelf space allocations and they'll probably end up with crappy connection speeds if ISPs have their way.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #52 on:** June 17, 2006, 11:21:57 AM »

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Minidisc might have caught on had mp3s not come along to kill it.

...Had Mp3s not come along to kill it... Minidisc was introduced in 1992.

The format was killed by, yep, CDs. Sony messed up hard on that format, as it held less than CDs (unless the music was compressed) and the only advantages were that it was harder to damage and smaller. That's not good enough reason to get people to rebuy their music collections and get all new players.

I own Minidisc products.

No one had to rebuy their music collection because CDs could be recorded quickly and easily onto Minidiscs and you could take them with you.

It was an easily rewritable format which worked excellent for making "mix tapes" which have CD quality without actually having to burn a non-rewritable CD.

Minidisc was built from the ground up to coexist with CDs, but it was the onset of mp3 players that slit its throat because mp3s offered everything MD did without the hassle of having a player with discs which needed to be changed to access all of your music collection when most people can fit it all in one iPod.

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Incorrect. VHS was larger in capacity than Beta, which is why it was the format of choice for home videos.

Fair enough, but its real reason for taking off was that all the studios were supporting it because it was indeed cheaper.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #53 on:** June 17, 2006, 11:24:03 AM »

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I don't care to play low poly and resolution PSone games.

Umm, congrats?

That doesn't change the fact that the PS1 had a number of games which Nintendo fans never played and would more than likely play if they could download them for a few bucks.

I can't help but note that the classic controller has a strikingly "dual shock" setup to it.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #54 on:** June 17, 2006, 11:48:26 AM »

Therefore making it a sacrilegious way to play N64 (and maybe gamecube?) games.
Really, it's a stab in the back after so many fond years (2 generations!) of having a left-analog taking priority over the D-pad by being designed to naturally line-up with your thumb.

BURN IT

BURN IT

BURN IT

Luffy1Piece · « **Reply #55 on:** June 17, 2006, 01:04:40 PM »

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Therefore making it a sacrilegious way to play N64 (and maybe gamecube?) games.
Really, it's a stab in the back after so many fond years (2 generations!) of having a left-analog taking priority over the D-pad by being designed to naturally line-up with your thumb.

BURN IT

BURN IT

BURN IT

With 4 systems vs. 1 where the D-Pad is the only one supported, of course it should be given greater importance and placed in that position. N64 games look like they'll play terribly on the controller anyway which is why I'm hoping there will be a replica N64 controller and then I'd that and then use the classic controller for the other systems' supported games. I really wish the classic controller would've had 6 face buttons. It would've made a number of other supported games a possibility without the need for another controller and wouldn't have crippled N64 controls nearly as much.

Also, Hudson has already confirmed PC-Engine CD games will be supported on VC though it wasn't specified whether that included Super CD-Rom titles too. I would hope so since that's where the majority of great PC-Engine software was as opposed to the Hu-Cards and regular CD games.

Magik · « **Reply #56 on:** June 17, 2006, 05:48:16 PM »

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I don't care to play low poly and resolution PSone games.

Umm, congrats?

That doesn't change the fact that the PS1 had a number of games which Nintendo fans never played and would more than likely play if they could download them for a few bucks.

I can't help but note that the classic controller has a strikingly "dual shock" setup to it.

Nintendo fans and fanboys will never admit to wanting to play a game from the PlayStation.

BlkPaladin · « **Reply #57 on:** June 18, 2006, 01:55:41 PM »

Well on the side topic of broadband I pay a rather hugh amount of $100/mo for broadband just because Satelite is the only broad band out here beause a State protect forest cuts my house off from "civilization", I could only pay $60 but I wanted a static IP and higher dl speeds.

On the topic of the last post, I'm a Nintendo fan have been since the NES and I own and play the other systems which include the Playstation line of products.

Zach · « **Reply #58 on:** June 18, 2006, 02:09:16 PM »

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I can't help but note that the dual shock controller has a strikingly "SNES" setup to it.

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EasyCure · « **Reply #59 on:** June 18, 2006, 02:10:57 PM »

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I don't care to play low poly and resolution PSone games.

Umm, congrats?

That doesn't change the fact that the PS1 had a number of games which Nintendo fans never played and would more than likely play if they could download them for a few bucks.

I can't help but note that the classic controller has a strikingly "dual shock" setup to it.

Nintendo fans and fanboys will never admit to wanting to play a game from the PlayStation.

actually there has never been a playstation game that i've wanted to play. i owned a Saturn becuase my stepfather bought one thinking it was the next big thing (he gets duped by sales man often) but i never touched it, i had much more fun with my SNES. by the time i was done beating every game in my collection the n64 came along and i never even had to look at sony's offerings.

though as a mega man fan, i was saddened to not be able to play games like mm8 or mmx4+, but that was at a time before the internet and simply thought "maybe one day it will come out for n64". i never wanted them that bad though because i still hadnt played mmx3 and i have a weird thing about games, i have to play them chronilogically(sp?). that was all fixed when X collection came out.

and to speak the truth, there's still no game on either playstation 1/2/3 or xbox/360 (even saturn/dreamcast) that i envy to play. nothing has ever interested me the way nintendo projects do.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #60 on:** June 18, 2006, 05:36:14 PM »

Easycure: There were games that I THOUGHT I wanted to play on those systems...until I actually played them.

I am a very traditional gamer. I like the older games...and I want games to get more sophisticated without getting more complicated. So I think I can understand exactly where you are coming from.

Ceric · « **Reply #61 on:** June 18, 2006, 07:35:31 PM »

You know if I would believe Popular Mechanics and like then 3rd world countries are where you want to be if you want super fast broadband. I always see stories about how the next Super Fast wireless standard is being planned for some third world country but not the States or anywhere else. Like a tribe with 1 computer needs wireless that goes about as fast as the fiber it's hooked to...

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #62 on:** June 19, 2006, 06:44:30 AM »

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Nintendo fans and fanboys will never admit to wanting to play a game from the PlayStation.

Irrelevant.

Nintendo isn't trying to market this system to players who were going to buy one anyway. They're trying to market it to those who didn't intend on buying one and PS1 games add more pull to the VC.

It's all speculation, but it doesn't change the fact that it would give many people one more reason to own the Wii.

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I can't help but note that the dual shock controller has a strikingly "SNES" setup to it.

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I do not recall the SNES controller having dual analogue sticks.

JonLeung · « **Reply #63 on:** June 19, 2006, 09:16:48 AM »

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Nintendo fans and fanboys will never admit to wanting to play a game from the PlayStation.

You're probably kidding, but I've played a number of PSX games, and am actually halfway through Legend Of Mana which I started on the weekend, so hah!

There's nothing wrong with a good (or decent) game anywhere. Most of the PSX/PS2 games I've played or are meaning to play are Square-Enix's, though, even if Final Fantasy isn't as good as it once was.

If Square-Enix started putting their main-series FFs on the Wii, let me tell you, a lot of people I know would be switching camps for sure.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #64 on:** June 19, 2006, 10:27:56 AM »

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Originally posted by: JonLeung If Square-Enix started putting their main-series FFs on the Wii, let me tell you, a lot of people I know would be switching camps for sure.

Precisely.

Being able to play OoT via download isn't going to bring over any non-Nintendo fans.

But Final Fantasy on tap would turn some non-Nintendo heads.

nemo_83 · « **Reply #65 on:** June 22, 2006, 05:31:02 PM »

the four hour line speaks to publishers

Magik · « **Reply #66 on:** June 22, 2006, 05:39:08 PM »

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Nintendo fans and fanboys will never admit to wanting to play a game from the PlayStation.

You're probably kidding, but I've played a number of PSX games, and am actually halfway through Legend Of Mana which I started on the weekend, so hah!

There's nothing wrong with a good (or decent) game anywhere. Most of the PSX/PS2 games I've played or are meaning to play are Square-Enix's, though, even if Final Fantasy isn't as good as it once was.

If Square-Enix started putting their main-series FFs on the Wii, let me tell you, a lot of people I know would be switching camps for sure.

For the most part, I was kidding. But, there are Nintendo fans who really do hate any games that is on the PlayStation that is considered by others, 'good' games since they believe nobody but Nintendo can make 'good' games.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #67 on:** June 23, 2006, 11:56:28 AM »

No hardcore Japaanese RPG fan can seriously dismiss Sony. The PS2 has many times more RPGs than GameCube, many of which are well-loved (besides Final Fantasy, even).

JonLeung · « **Reply #68 on:** June 27, 2006, 09:37:38 AM »

Do you really think that, say, one or two years after these two consoles are out, that there will be a visible shift in support?

Will the Wii be the "cool" console with the largest variety and quantity of games?

Or will it be more even? Or heading in that direction? Nintendo gaining ground that was lost with the GameCube?

For some reason as a die-hard Nintendo fan, something still seems "forbidden" about Nintendo being #1. Or maybe because it's been a while that I almost forget what that was like, when Mario was on top of the world.

But as has probably already been said, if the $599 ($649 Canadian!) price tag of the PS3 keeps most people away, then third-party developers would be better off developing Wii games in the mean time. Since Wii game development is much cheaper, too, well, it would be stupid for most developers to not at least try.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #69 on:** June 27, 2006, 10:06:28 AM »

Jon: I think there is something to that logic of forbidden fruit. For the longest time (2 generations=10ish years) we have been told that Sony is the future, and Nintendo is a dying giant.

There was little truth in Nintendo actually dying...just perception. But a vast number of Nintendo fans now believe that not only are they the minority, but the image of Nintendo is so tarished that true game fans hate Nitnendo's work.

Its a powerful lie, that has Nintendo fans always looking at the situation through pesimestic eyes. We never look at the good news first, but analysis every aspect of negative.

So when rumors of good new for Nintendo comes out we immediately dismiss it. When positive press is everywhere, we don't see silver lining, but we see thunderstorms of how Nintendo is going to mess it up.

In short, although we are fans, we have been crippled into believing we will forever be a minority gaming group, and Nintendo will continue to fail.

The truth is each new generation is literally a new beginning for every company. And this time around we have a very interesting situation with the three consoles. Instead, of being negative, lets watch and just see what happens. It is going to be a fun fourth quarter.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #70 on:** June 27, 2006, 10:13:56 AM »

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Originally posted by: JonLeung But as has probably already been said, if the $599 ($649 Canadian!) price tag of the PS3 keeps most people away, then third-party developers would be better off developing Wii games in the mean time. Since Wii game development is much cheaper, too, well, it would be stupid for most developers to not at least try.

We're just gamers and we see it as a bad idea. Imagine you're a game developer and your financial future hangs in the balance: do you think all of the immensely positive press the Wii has been getting and the insanely BAD press the PS3 has been getting won't influence their decisions?

The Wii is promising to be the cheapest console with a revolutionary new controller and a broader appeal to a market beyond gamers. Sounds like a much safer bet to me than a console which will cost $600, shares most of its library with a competitor who has already launched and will not even launch with anything worthwhile.

If the Wii vs. PS3 will be anything like the DS vs. PSP, then what more proof would I need? We can already see, plain as day, that the PSP has one of the worst software tie-in ratios of any system in history.

Now, Sony is touting the "The PS3 isn't a console, it's a computer!" bullsh*t, just like they passed off the PSP as "Not a console, but a movie player, mp3 player, etc." and the result is that newly launched software for the console doesn't even make it into the top 10 for the week whereas the DS's games remain at the top for weeks at a time.

Why would I, as a developer, develop for a company which has already demonstrated that selling games is not their priority?

Also, a theory floating around is that, because Sony is cracking down on graphical "standards" for the PS3 by not allowing games to be on the console without a certain graphical standard being met, these companies (like SNK) are jumping ship for the Wii where Nintendo won't force them to make their games to any graphical standard at all.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #71 on:** June 27, 2006, 10:19:12 AM »

Smash: If that rumor is true about graphical standards, does that mean Capcom may move their 2D gaming lineup to another system?

Probably not. As much as Sony is mentioning that about graphical standards...they would make exceptions for top proven developers. Sony is completely all talk and BS. I never believe anything they say.

(I also only believe half of what Nintendo says...but atleast that is half.)

cubist · « **Reply #72 on:** June 27, 2006, 10:22:20 AM »

I agree...the PSP is hardly failing as a system. It may not have DS numbers, but the PSP is still the preference of the mainstream gamer.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #73 on:** June 27, 2006, 10:33:36 AM »

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Probably not. As much as Sony is mentioning that about graphical standards...they would make exceptions for top proven developers. Sony is completely all talk and BS. I never believe anything they say.

Actually, from what I've heard, the only reason a 3D Megaman game was ever made on the PS1 is because Capcom wanted to make a 2D Megaman for the console but Sony would not allow them to do so without first releasing a 3D Megaman.

They are VERY anal about 2D graphics and graphical standards. SNK's falling out with them is proof of this.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #74 on:** June 27, 2006, 10:35:03 AM »

Cubist: The PSP may be the preference of the mainstream. However, it is not the preference of the mainstream gamer.

The DS is.

Just look at the SOFTWARE sales of the DS verse PSP for that proof.

The fact that the hardware sales also show the DS is a nice lead is double confirmation.

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Author Topic: Rumour: Third Party companies are shifting many of their projects from the PlayStation 3 to the Wii (Read 26320 times)