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Temptation of Greed for Wii?
« on: May 15, 2006, 04:45:35 PM »
Somehow, after lurking round here on and off for a couple years, the Wii has brought me outta hibernation.  Cheers to future good times on the forums.  At any rate though:

The general feel to most people, based on the speculations and reported insider tips so far, place the Wii at a likely price range of $199-$299.  Many are singing the praises of such a possibility...but many of those are basing that on comparitive terms with the PS3 in particular---not absolutes.

Nintendo's core mantra for this console has been "attract new people to gaming and bring back those that retired from it in the past."  This is surely a fine strategy they have come up with supplemented by offerings to please the current gamers.  However, all of Nintendo's past "traditional" consoles have launched at around the 200-250 range.

Nintendo keeps saying that this isn't a "next/another generation" but rather a "new" generation.  Yet, if they launch this console for the same price or more as all of their previous offerings...which were not effective on their target groups...is that not a foolish move?

Granted, there is a respectable increase in power relative to the GC and a snazzy new controller style at play...as well as the obvious drive to make good profits on hardware sold----as is Nintendo's tradition.  However,  I worry that people may be getting ahead of themselves to grasp too big a bite to chew $$$ wise after Sony's PS3 price point announcement.

Will Nintendo, in an effort to secure some extra profit per console only, fail in securing any of their new target groups due to maintaining or raising their traditional price threshhold?  Or will they make good on their bravado and launch the Wii realistically under $199...like say 150/175...at prices that challenge the "serious business" view of getting into videogames and make room for a larger variety of would-be gamers?
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RE: Temptation of Greed for Wii?
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2006, 04:54:24 PM »
I seriously doubt the prices of Nintendo's past consoles had anything to do with them not doing well, considering they were all cheaper than their respective competitors.
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2006, 05:07:26 PM »
Any console is felled by 3 things primarily:  console price, games available, and marketing.

What I mean to say was, this time the gap between the others cost wise is hilariously huge.  But that gap means NOTHING to those currently out of gaming...whom Nintendo wants.  This means the price is viewed on absolute and not comparitive terms.  250=250.  And if they weren't interested in any past gaming console, be it Nintendo or anybody else's, why should they care about one on par with or possibly even more expensive than all the rest?
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RE: Temptation of Greed for Wii?
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2006, 05:51:31 PM »
Firstly, welcome to the PGC Forums

At first I thought that this was a thread for a game called "Temptation of Greed".. Anyway, you're right; the market that Nintendo is aiming for will not drop hundreds of dollars for a videogame console. Nintendo wants it to be an impulse buy for nongamers, but that will only happen if the price is accessible. However, Nintendo knows that there will be early adopters, even at a higher price. So if it launches at $200, it will sell out at first, and continue to sell pretty well to gamers alone, be they casual or hardcore ones. Then, later on, when there is a sizeable collection of "nongames" on the Wii, they will drop the price to appeal to the nongamers. This is when they will market the console heavily and try to realise their "Blue Ocean" strategy.
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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2006, 05:54:07 PM »
"At first I thought that this was a thread for a game called "Temptation of Greed""

Um....it is...
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2006, 06:12:27 PM »
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"At first I thought that this was a thread for a game called "Temptation of Greed""

Um....it is...
Eh? Where the hell did you get that from?
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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2006, 06:19:31 PM »
NES and SNES weren't successful?
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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2006, 12:50:38 AM »
The Wii should be 200$ max. It's made from pretty cheap hardware and as such doesn't justify any higher price.

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RE: Temptation of Greed for Wii?
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2006, 02:36:17 AM »
The N64 graphics Expansion Pak was only about $30, I expect this GameCube Expansion Pak to be about the same. The new controller will be about $50. Oh wait this isn't GAF and it's not 2005, sorry about that guys!

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RE:Temptation of Greed for Wii?
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2006, 05:57:01 AM »
H-C:  The NES and SNES were successful by and large.  However, they were aimed on somewhat different terms.  I mean, maybe there were some people that retired from gaming after the 2600 that they wanted to get back...but I somehow doubt the scope and scale will pan out today.

Point is, I'll be amazed if Nintendo can conquer sections of the world population that they have never before by doing things the same way or maybe a bit pricier than all their previous efforts.  The problem with the early adopter strategy is that, barring perhaps gains made from E3, Nintendo's "core folk" have been declining over the years.  Kinda like how some people figure Sony's core will sell enough PS3's at launch and a bit beyond to avoid dooming the system and several companies until enough price drops happen for everyone else to consider the system.  I think the consensus was that Sony was crazy to think that'd work, and though Nin's sistuation isn't a total mirror of that, do we really want to risk going down that road?

The most important time for a console, IMO, is around launch time.  That'll be when you have your biggest push of marketing, most word of mouth.
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RE: Temptation of Greed for Wii?
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2006, 06:09:53 AM »
With all this talk about 250$ Nintendo can't announce a 300$ price without seeing a huge backlash but considering the tech (those IGN specs are probably real considering the E3 demos unless Nintendo is going to up them) that shouldn't be hard to avoid.

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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2006, 06:27:42 AM »
That the thing though....that backlash...predominantly...would be by the core Nintendo fans.  Not any would-be players IMO.  If they didn't care about ANY gaming when stuff cost $200...and many other aspects of finance and the economy were a bit better (arguably)...is the controller enough to make up for all of that plus another $50?  I dunno....and I'd sooner not have to find out since I want Nin to do well.

I mean, this is a big point for Nintendo.  If they sell decent enough....like say a little better than the GC...but nothing earth shaking...then Nintendo doesn't fail, BUT THEIR ENTIRE GOAL SET DOES.  They could sell plenty to gamers and all, and that'll make them more good moeny...but if a significant chunk of sales aren't the non-gamers and former gamers...it is an ideological defeat.   In that scenario, where in the hell does Nintendo go from there?  The industry even?  The ideology Nintendo is allegedly aiming for this generation is paramount to gaming at large.  It really needs to work and Nintendo needs to spare no effort to ensure it success.

Regardless of PS3, 150 is a "why not?" price....200....isn't really within the same subset.  Saying, " 2 years from now we'll be at a good price" won't quite cut it methinks...Nintendo needs to come out swinging from the get go to establish an insurmountable distance from the "competition"
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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2006, 07:41:03 AM »
Well, Nintendo keeps hiding the price, and I kind of suspect it will launch for under $200, but what do I know?

I agree that Nintendo needs to launch this for no more than $200 if it wants to get the non-gamer market, but I think that's been part of the strategy all along.  It's a big part of the reason Nintendo isn't cramming this with lots of power, I think.  The other reason being that it doesn't want to spend the cash on high-def graphics.  I think the company could do okay at $200, assuming a price drop came along in a reasonable amount of time, but even cheaper would be better.  $250 will be too much, although honestly I'll pay that for one.

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RE:Temptation of Greed for Wii?
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2006, 09:19:58 AM »
I am confused as to what you're saying getter7. Of course Nintendo needs a mass market price, no one is denying that. So are you merely airing speculation that Nintendo will launch at $250 and up though?

Either way, I believe that if a console hits mass market price in its first year that should be significant enough to distance itself from its competition. Assuming a $200 launch (which, admittedly, isn't quite as mass market as you would have liked) the price could drop to $149.99 by Christmas 2007. This year-after price-drop, I believe, would give enough time for early-adopters to get out of the way, and would allow for word of mouth to reach a sustainable level. The Wii will definitely make a splash, but it'd take at least 6 months to enter the overall cultural awareness via gravy train campaigns.

Also, I would suggest that you don't underestimate the amount of disposable income that people have. Non-gamers are also people who spend large amounts of money for diet plans, self-help books, cell phone ring tones, fast food, movie tickets, boom boxes and clothes. Nintendo believes that these people will be interested in games as well IF significant barriers like control method or total price were reduced.

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RE:Temptation of Greed for Wii?
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2006, 09:41:03 AM »
Kairon: Sorry if I come across as unclear.  Lemme see:

-According to everywhere I've seen that tracks videogames on the net....EVERYWHERE pretty much is spouting the Wii to launch between 200-300.  I think we had a thread on one of the sources, an EGM leak..awhile back here?  My contention is that those singing praise from the rafters regarding this speculated price are doing so solely based upon the competition aspect with the PS3 price and fanboys....NOT Nintendo's actual philosophy espoused for this "new" generation of gaming they are leading.

-Nintendo hasn't said, although there was a recent interview where a rep said something allong the lines of "wouldn't be much more expensive than out previous console(s)" (rough quote).  Nintendo suddenly got QUIET right after the PS3 price and feature announcement....understandably so given in part of what went down.  I worry that they may think they can "get away" with charging more for the Wii than is sensible based on the price of their supposed "non-competition".

-To me, releasing a new console....yet counting not on the release---but rather a HOPEFUL price drop in a year's time to ACTUALLY start to achieve goals borders on being foolhardy.  The future is entirely unstable in regards to the consumer market/demands.  Thus, best foot forward is the best possibility lest nobody is in a position to care/manage in the future on it.  You might make less initial per console unit profit, but you will surely secure more overall profit throughout the console's lifespan.

-The notion of nongamers being the disposable trendy crowd in part is well made.  However, let's assume, as is reality, that MANY more people are of much less money to throw around at entertainment amenities.  Especially on the international scale.  Those same people, by that minding, would be no more likely to pick up a Wii than to get any of the other systems since cost isn't really an object compared to their other indulgences.  Let's be frank:  Sony says poor peope should need toil extra for some videogame entertainment, Nintendo "publicly" begs to differ.  Nintendo NEEDS to come to bat on that though.  A lower than "usual business" console price is an extended hand towards all the people who simply can't/won't manage along the "traditional" price threshold lines for videogames that have cropped up over the years.  As well as those that were once inclined or able to....but are currently strapped/hesitant for gaming.

Am I making any more sense at all?
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RE: Temptation of Greed for Wii?
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2006, 09:43:30 AM »
"At first I thought that this was a thread for a game called 'Temptation of Greed'"

Me too.  It sounded like a GTA style game from the title, probably with annoying hip-hop stuff in it.

Right now I think the only thing they have to do about price is have something that isn't expensive.  The PS3 $600 price tag really makes it easy to look affordable in comparison.  Nintendo's biggest hurdles are marketing and third party support.  Those are what will make or break the Wii above all else.  With the competition's prices being so high Nintendo pretty much just has to not f*ck up the price and they'll be fine with that issue.  It SHOULD be easy (but then so is naming your console so who knows with Nintendo).

Though personally I'll be a little peeved if it costs more that $200.  This is pretty much a Gamecube 1.5 with a new controller.  If Nintendo is going to gut the hardware to all hell I would at least appreciate getting a low price from it.

Controller costs is probably the bigger issue.  How cheap are they to make?  Multiplayer support isn't going to be so hot if people can't afford to buy extra controllers.

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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2006, 09:44:30 AM »
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"At first I thought that this was a thread for a game called "Temptation of Greed""

Um....it is...
Eh? Where the hell did you get that from?


Hahaha...I have to learn to read entire sentences, before repling. I though you said, I thought this was a THREAD called "...."
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« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2006, 10:04:46 AM »
Well Iwata said it would be affordable, as in not significantly more expensive than their other systems, which makes me think 200-250

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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2006, 10:05:10 AM »
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Kairon: Sorry if I come across as unclear.  Lemme see:

-According to everywhere I've seen that tracks videogames on the net....EVERYWHERE pretty much is spouting the Wii to launch between 200-300.  I think we had a thread on one of the sources, an EGM leak..awhile back here?  My contention is that those singing praise from the rafters regarding this speculated price are doing so solely based upon the competition aspect with the PS3 price and fanboys....NOT Nintendo's actual philosophy espoused for this "new" generation of gaming they are leading.

-Nintendo hasn't said, although there was a recent interview where a rep said something allong the lines of "wouldn't be much more expensive than out previous console(s)" (rough quote).  Nintendo suddenly got QUIET right after the PS3 price and feature announcement....understandably so given in part of what went down.  I worry that they may think they can "get away" with charging more for the Wii than is sensible based on the price of their supposed "non-competition".

-To me, releasing a new console....yet counting not on the release---but rather a HOPEFUL price drop in a year's time to ACTUALLY start to achieve goals borders on being foolhardy.  The future is entirely unstable in regards to the consumer market/demands.  Thus, best foot forward is the best possibility lest nobody is in a position to care/manage in the future on it.  You might make less initial per console unit profit, but you will surely secure more overall profit throughout the console's lifespan.

-The notion of nongamers being the disposable trendy crowd in part is well made.  However, let's assume, as is reality, that MANY more people are of much less money to throw around at entertainment amenities.  Especially on the international scale.  Those same people, by that minding, would be no more likely to pick up a Wii than to get any of the other systems since cost isn't really an object compared to their other indulgences.  Let's be frank:  Sony says poor peope should need toil extra for some videogame entertainment, Nintendo "publicly" begs to differ.  Nintendo NEEDS to come to bat on that though.  A lower than "usual business" console price is an extended hand towards all the people who simply can't/won't manage along the "traditional" price threshold lines for videogames that have cropped up over the years.  As well as those that were once inclined or able to....but are currently strapped/hesitant for gaming.

Am I making any more sense at all?


You're making sense, but I'm not convinced that a low price is absolutely necessary at launch. Everything will sell out at launch, so a low price is very impractical because non-gamers will be unable to get the system. Then they could forget about the system later on when stock DOES become available.

I mean, look at the X360. Who cares about it now? At launch it was all the rage, but now that it's in stock there's no real hype to drive people to stores.

Also, non-gamers and casual-casuals will absolutely NOT hear about the Wii until at least 6 months after launch. Only hardcores and attentive casuals will be grabbed initially no matter what you do, and it will take 6 months or a year for the Wii to actually enter the minds of casuals and non-gamers via word-of-mouth and other viral methods.

Finally, let's look at every blue-ocean casual successes: Titanic and Brain Age.

Titanic was big not because it had a decent launch, but because people heard about it through word of mouth and these people went to see the movie in theatres 4-6 months AFTER it came out. A large and long-term theatre time frame allowed for the 6-month stretch of casual-movie-goers to experience and drive the film to $900 million domestic intake. Titanic demonstrates that you will have people who hear about it 6 months later despite the product being huge on day 1. Thankfully, Titanic as a movie didn't really need to worry about whether it was in-stock or not.

And look at Brain Age. It was priced casually at the get-go, yes, but it is STILL on the top 10 JPN charts months and months after its release. People are still only hearing about it now, months after launch, and it is these people, not the early-adopters, who are actually being drawn in from the low price, in my opinion.

Now that I've said all that, I'm going to completely reverse my opinion. You are still reading right? LOL. After all my babble I've decided that I agree with you!

I do believe that a mass market price from the get-go could be VERY important and should be attempted BECAUSE then this mass market price will become part of the word-of-mouth together with the new control method, and paired together, it will offer a much more enticing aspect for people to find, play, and buy.

After all, it certainly didn't hurt Brain Age that you could tell adults that the game only cost $20, in fact this made the game more accessible not at the point of purchase, but at the point of word-of-mouth. The same for Titanic, $9 is doable and mass market, there's no barrier to make someone say "that sounds good, but it's too expensive." If the Wii launched Mass Market from the get-go, then people would say instead "That sounds exciting, AND it's so cheap! Double-score!"

... well, they wouldn't say EXACTLY that...but....yeah.

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RE:Temptation of Greed for Wii?
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2006, 10:37:37 AM »
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For Original Recipe Kairon:

-The fact that all the gamers will make the Wii (hopefully...DS Lite may have learned them) sell out at launch is a GREAT thing.  However, it'll be equally great if the price is still that same LOWER THAN USUAL PRICE when stuff comes back in stock over the next couple months so everybody else can get the machine.  Starting strong and staying strong will do wonders.  360...reason is hasn't done much is because in the same absolute terms Nintendo "should" be operating by...plus some other...400=400 and people just don't want to pay that much for a machine...even gamers.  A low launch price with regular annual price drops creates the impulse that got Miyamoto hooked on whatever in the world he is hooked on: CURIOUSITY...and we all know how that turned out.

-With a Curious Price, just passing by the system inadvertently will be enough to lure in a sale regardless of marketing.  Price speaks VOLUMES.  Many people wander around Wal-Marts and such...thus exposure to a large group of people is GUARANTEED in addition to whatever marketing Nintendo does.  Titanic operates on different rules than this due to it being a movie...ya can't demo it...if a friedn has it and ya see it there you likely care even less, etc.  Plus they are more mass market by price/time consumption in general.  Brain Age...well....appealing games are appealing game...whether a person is on time or late for the experience.  The fact that it started cheap and stayed cheap surely allowed MANY more people to give into their thought to pick it up than would have been otherwise had it been $60 or something.

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-It all comes down to kicking somebody in the testicles.  If ya feign the kick...or only do it semi-lightly....you'll get beat down despite your intentions.  If you throw all your skill and cunning into that ball shattering though...odds are you will succeed and people will know from then on that you mean business in your stated aims and goals.  Nintendo is rearing back to kick the current videogame establishment paradigm.  Going with it forthwright will enable success...anything else runs a serious risk of failure and loss of impact.   Controllers aren't the only hurdle to gaming....price weighs in just as much if not more.  1 outta 2 Big N...finish it properly.  
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« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2006, 02:32:20 PM »
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« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2006, 02:43:22 PM »
No... I think you guys are wrong and I'll say why I beleive so.

I beleive that if you give the Wii a price point below $200 dollars it will be to trivial of a purchase.  A throw away play thing.  That stuff toy you never play with.   The Wii MUST be at a cost were it is considered an investment with Minimal risk.  I believe that the $250 is that price.  It's enough that it's really not that hard to come up with for most people but they'll have to come up with it.  The console should then be an investment.

Now the games on the other hand they should be relatively inexpensive.  A little above handheld price.  The console is an investment so when it is looking nice in your entertainment system you'll want to get your moneys worth out of it.  You'll do that by use.

Nintendo wants to sell Software more than Hardware.  There is a couple reasons for that.

1) The more Hardware that is out there the more likely it is to have a problem and the more resources have to go to support.
2)  Software is just easier to stock an manage

I know you all are going to disagree, I mean I be happy with a $150 price point because I'm getting it no matter what.  Though I would also like to say that a $150 is too close to the Handheld segment.  You need the console far enough away from the Handheld that it doesn't drive it's available launch price down.  "I could buy a Wii at Launch with the GBNext cost" thats what we call a no sale.

Oil is good in a car but to much oil is a bad thing.  Same concept.

Anyway if the current hype is maintained Non-gamers aren't going to be able to get units for at least a little bit.
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RE:Temptation of Greed for Wii?
« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2006, 05:17:52 PM »
Yeah, I gotta disagree at least in part Ceric.

-I don't buy into the trivial price "stuff toy" arguement.  I buy into the cheap addiction one.  I've never heard of anybody just chucking a console into the trash like a pack of stickers or something...even the broken PS2 folk.  I've also never heard of anybody approaching a console as an investment.....though in hindsight I guess I can kinda see it.  $250 is more than past systems have sold for that non-gamers didn't care to get into...so I can't see the controller suddenly softening their hearts and loosening their tight wallet grip.

-It'd be nice if the games were handheld cheap....but I doubt that'll happen.  I figure some budget priced games ala Rampage and DMCIIISE here and there....but handhelds and consoles have always occupied separate price niches.  If Nintendo tried that...well...it'd be a strange move but not necessariyl a great one.

-Nintendo wants to sell more hardware than software.  Why?

-Unlike all the competition, they make good profit on every piece of hardware sold whereas all others take a moderate to huge loss.  The more consoles sold=more potential outlets for games to be bought and used on.
-Software isn't so easy to stock..not when You are the Nintendo of lately.  Most everyhwere I go the GC section is dwarfed by either or both xbox and PS stuff.  Also, software sales are essential to everybody...but they don't make Nintendo pure profit like hardware sales do.
-Nintendo consoles are prided on their durability.  Might as well sell tons and force the Customer Service reps to stop playing air hockey all damn day in the event that some of the machines EVER actually break down.

-Your point about not pricing the console too close to the handheld is muddled by your earlier want that the console games need to mirror the handheld pricing scheme...which is it?  Remember who created the current handhled/console paradigm...NINTENDO.  Thus, they are free to shift it anytime they feel like it in order to...hopefully...make to point that strong handhelds and coexist with strong consoles....at a great new price....while complimenting each other nicely since each serves a different need.

-Only way profit is bad for Nintendo is if they succumb to Greed.  No harm in all at releasing stuff at a good, cheap price.  Only if we get Atari style shovelware will your oil analogy be spot on. Considering the low dev costs both absolutley and comparitively, cheap established medium, and respectable rather than overblown spec boost since the GC....there's no reason why anybody would even come close to starving to death due to the Wii and games being nicely priced.

-Launch supply depends entirely on Nintendo learnign from the DS Lite.  If they learned well....a sell out will be a hell of a trick INDEED.  If they learned poorly...well....new shipments regularly wiht hopefully the same low low price.
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RE:Temptation of Greed for Wii?
« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2006, 06:37:47 PM »
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Originally posted by: getter77
Yeah, I gotta disagree at least in part Ceric.

-I don't buy into the trivial price "stuff toy" arguement.  I buy into the cheap addiction one.  I've never heard of anybody just chucking a console into the trash like a pack of stickers or something...even the broken PS2 folk.  I've also never heard of anybody approaching a console as an investment.....though in hindsight I guess I can kinda see it.  $250 is more than past systems have sold for that non-gamers didn't care to get into...so I can't see the controller suddenly softening their hearts and loosening their tight wallet grip.


Maybe you don't buy into the "stuff toy" argument, but the gaming public definitely does.  I can recall on multiple occasions when I overheard someone saying around the launch of the GC that they would rather get an Xbox because the GC was just a toy and it was cheaper.  It was considered inferior to the PS2 and Xbox because of the cheaper price.  It still is by many Xbox fanboys.

While Nintendo wants to capture a new audience, they are not stupid enough to alienate their core audience and the gaming public in general.  They know they need a good price point, but too cheap and it will be considered inferior and not worth people's time due to the close price point compared to handheld systems.  This also brings up the fact that the PSP is $200, which makes me even more convinced that the Wii will be $250.  They do not want people thinking that the PSP is a better system than the Wii and to do that, they have to put a premium on it in order for people to perceive the value of it being higher than the PSP.  There are still many who think the PSP is a better system than the DS because it is more expensive(and it is better graphically but the games are extremely inferior).  You put it at or lower than the PSP, you're labeling your console at a toy worth less than a handheld system.  Not a good strategy.


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RE: Temptation of Greed for Wii?
« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2006, 09:43:41 PM »
Gamer's don't game not because of price, but because they aren't interested in gaming. Currently.
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