Author Topic: Interesting ONM comments (HYPE++) (Read 17886 times)

Ceric · « **Reply #25 on:** April 11, 2006, 07:04:19 AM »

That's almost quarenteed. Even if it's last minute.

The final Dev Kit announcement is exciting. That doesn't preclude getting a better processor and more memory but how the system is tuned I would suspect those upgrades would go hand and hand.

In all actuallity for all we know the current dev kits are just overclocked Gamecubes. I mean there not suppose to last very long so who cares if you half there life time.

MaryJane · « **Reply #26 on:** April 11, 2006, 07:07:25 AM »

I think it's a good idea for Nintendo to let the 3rd party devs put their games out before e3, the fans are happy, and at e3 when Nintendo shows games that were made on fiinalilzed hardware, everyone is still blown away. Most importantly though, the fans are happy cuz the more we know the better.

Fro · « **Reply #27 on:** April 11, 2006, 07:51:07 AM »

We'll see most of the launch games at E3... obviously this is a new system and there's stuff under development that isn't going to make it out this year. There's proably going to be some more quirky/sparkling innovationy stuff under tight development cycles that won't be ready to show but may make it out in early 2007.

He's just trying to get people hyped up to subscribe to their mag. And obviously there will be more in-depth blowouts (stuff may be shown at E3 but not playable).

For the life of the system, E3 is just the tip of the iceberg.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #28 on:** April 11, 2006, 08:33:43 AM »

I figure the output of things being shown will be like with the Cube. We saw all the first party launch games at E3 and then later on, but still prior to launch, we saw Mario and Zelda which were going to be released later on.

I just hope that all this is positive hype building and not damage control. Saying that only the first party titles at E3 will be representive could mean "if you think the third party games are impressive check this out!" or it could be covering up for weaknesses with third party titles at E3. Now Red Steel looks impressive but we haven't seen it in action so we don't know what the framerate or load times or anything like that is like. Plus saying that there's more to see might be damage control for slim pickings at E3.

I'm hoping that E3's showing will be really impressive and everything else will just be a bonus.

It's too bad third parties don't have full dev kits. I'm happy that the IGN specs are likely lower than reality but I just wish Nintendo was quicker at getting them out. That would benefit the launch lineup and it's not very nice for third party relations if Nintendo has an unfair advantage by having full dev kits while third parties don't.

Metroid sounds like a given launch title which sounds good provided it still plays like Metroid.

Ceric · « **Reply #29 on:** April 11, 2006, 08:39:07 AM »

True it is unfair to third parties but Nintendo can be a little bit of a perfectionist so I'm sure it's as much for testing and manufacturing reasons then just a leg up.

Artimus · « **Reply #30 on:** April 11, 2006, 08:46:39 AM »

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
It's too bad third parties don't have full dev kits. I'm happy that the IGN specs are likely lower than reality but I just wish Nintendo was quicker at getting them out. That would benefit the launch lineup and it's not very nice for third party relations if Nintendo has an unfair advantage by having full dev kits while third parties don't.

The timeline is the same as pretty much every console ever released.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #31 on:** April 11, 2006, 09:10:51 AM »

Considering the ease of development of the Revolution, I don't see how this is a problem at all...Even the ONM lady said it'd only take a few months to get up to par with the final dev kits...

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #32 on:** April 11, 2006, 10:01:34 AM »

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Originally posted by: MaryJane
I just want this damn thing already.

I know how you feel.

Nintendo is basically doing an 8 month striptease.

MysticGohan · « **Reply #33 on:** April 11, 2006, 10:04:16 AM »

tease me away

TrueNerd · « **Reply #34 on:** April 11, 2006, 10:34:21 AM »

Dude, I'm having enough trouble waiting for E3. I can't even begin to grasp the agony that will come when I find out the day the Revolution will launch.

Hopefully New Super Mario Bros will be a six month distraction.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #35 on:** April 11, 2006, 11:42:17 AM »

"I'm a bit pissed we're not seeing everything at E3"

Well, me too, but obviously not every game and feature that's ever going to be a part of the system will be revealed at E3. I figure it's just common sense to say that we'll find out more stuff. I think the big guns will be unloaded at E3, but even the big guns are nothing compared to actually playing it, the content that will make its way to Rev over the years.
Unless they really do have something else, which is exciting/annoying.

MaryJane · « **Reply #36 on:** April 11, 2006, 12:01:09 PM »

It wouldn't be good marketing to reveal another secret closer to launch than e3, you want people to know just what is your offering that should make you buy your console over or with the others... although i really don't see buying it with the others as realistic for most people, at least not at first. Initially it will be one or the other.

8 month long strip tease lol good one.

mantidor · « **Reply #37 on:** April 11, 2006, 12:33:25 PM »

I had the same concern that Ian, third party developers have a really hard time in Nintendo consoles because they have to compete with Nintendo's first party, while in the other consoles they only have to compete among themselves, but then I thought that maybe the big secret left for the rev is in the final dev kits, and Nintendo wouldnt like that leaked the way IGN specs got leaked.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #38 on:** April 11, 2006, 02:45:40 PM »

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Originally posted by: MaryJane
8 month long strip tease lol good one.

It'd be funnier if it weren't true.

It's like, first the scarf comes off and...come back in three weeks for the left glove.

Just ain't fair...

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Originally posted by: mantidor
I had the same concern that Ian, third party developers have a really hard time in Nintendo consoles because they have to compete with Nintendo's first party, while in the other consoles they only have to compete among themselves, but then I thought that maybe the big secret left for the rev is in the final dev kits, and Nintendo wouldnt like that leaked the way IGN specs got leaked.

Thing is, though, sell enough Revs and it won't matter. Sony had their own games on the PS2 but no one was worried about them because there was enough userbase to go around.

Also, Reggie has endorsed Red Steel, meaning that Nintendo is using its marketing power to push 3rd party games, effectively taking some of the sting off of competing against Nintendo's games (it's like your competitor is also advertising for you).

'Course, they'd be REALLY smart to coordinate with 3rd parties and time the releases of their games so that none of them overlapped or coincided, especially not similar genres being released at the same time. That would almost completely eliminate the concern of Nintendo's competition as anyone who wanted a new game would always have 3rd party offerings between Nintendo's 1st party titles.

Requiem · « **Reply #39 on:** April 11, 2006, 03:31:41 PM »

That's an interesting point SB...

I actually think Iwata is enough of a diplomat to do that. Of course holiday's are fair game, but during the summer months, for example, coordination among Nintendo and it's 3rd parties would not only benefit them, but also us due to there never being a drought.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #40 on:** April 11, 2006, 05:24:03 PM »

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Originally posted by: Requiem
during the summer months, for example, coordination among Nintendo and it's 3rd parties would not only benefit them, but also us due to there never being a drought.

Exactly.

It's like how movies will try to avoid releasing on competing weekends so as to maximize profit.

If a new Rev game launched every week or every other week on tues, no one would ever be able to complain about a lack of titles.

I also found THIS tidbit about the Rev which confirms something which I didn't know:

Connectivity: The Nintendo Revolution will connect to the Internet through existing Wi-Fi wireless networks. The new Nintendo online network, built using GameSpy’s networking technology, will allow gamers to experience the online play that the GameCube has been missing. The Nintendo DS will also be able to interact wirelessly with the Revolution in much the same way that the GBA can currently link with the GameCube. It will also ship with 2 USB 2.0 ports, allowing for additional peripherals down the road.

Source

It IS USB 2.0, which means that the speed on those ports would be more than enough to allow high-speed storage mediums to be connected, meaning your average game could load data from USB without much hassle.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #41 on:** April 11, 2006, 05:45:29 PM »

Actually, Nintendo could easily upgrade the RAM and the storage memory without problems even with "Nintendo Spec sheets" out there and developers under one impression for now.

I wouldn't expect to see huge jumps specially in RAM. But would it surprise anyone to see the RAM jump from 88MEGS to 128MEGS? Its not a huge jump compared to the competition, but it would be 40 MEGS more to play with. That would be pretty significant.

I don't think we really have any idea what the SPECS are going to be...but it doesn't matter. What we know is that first generation games will not be the end all be all of this systems limits. Developers will be getting more out of this system for years to come, and already we are seeing some awesome graphics.

And Nintendo Revolution appears to be launching with 2 First Person Adventure games. Both will probably focus on intense multiplayer battles, and will most likely have online wifi play right out of the box. This is important news for Revolution to be successful in the US, and to be taken seriously. A killer multiplayer experience will do wonders for Revolution's image.

Then add Smash Brothers Revolution, and Super Mario Revolution and you can have a very successful launch. If EA Games even gets one simple Revolution game ready and online for launch then we will have a very American friendly launch. And you know that Nintendo is already prepping itself for a great Japanese launch.

Artimus · « **Reply #42 on:** April 11, 2006, 06:48:25 PM »

I cannot imagine using USB 1.0....

jasonditz · « **Reply #43 on:** April 11, 2006, 07:23:38 PM »

USB 1.0 would be fine for game save storage, or even VC roms. I've run my powerbook off a bootable USB 1 hard drive before. It's not as peppy as the internal drive of course, but it gets the job done just fine.

jasonditz · « **Reply #44 on:** April 11, 2006, 07:28:22 PM »

I wonder how much of the Xbox 360's RAM is reserved just for highdef. I mean, if a game like Oblivion uses all 512 MB at max resolution, how much does the identical game situation use in 480i?

TrueNerd · « **Reply #45 on:** April 11, 2006, 11:35:22 PM »

Man. Nintendo being friendly with 3rd parties. Scary, ain't it? Like the end of the world isn't far behind or something.

Nephilim · « **Reply #46 on:** April 12, 2006, 05:12:53 AM »

"I wonder how much of the Xbox 360's RAM is reserved just for highdef. I mean, if a game like Oblivion uses all 512 MB at max resolution, how much does the identical game situation use in 480i?"

Well Bf2 needs 1.2gig of ram to run at medium with settings on high with no ram enduced lag
yet it can run at high with .5 gig on 360
all about dev maxing a system

MaryJane · « **Reply #47 on:** April 12, 2006, 05:58:04 AM »

I think Nintendo coordinating and cooperating holds much more value than just good timing on releases, but also more games! more games! more games! yes! it's about damn time. It seems the rev is a bigger DS in the sense that Nintendo called the DS a Developers System, it seems they've mananged to replicate that philosophy well in a console. so far all the praise i've heard for the ps3 is about how big its discs are and what that allows dev to do in terms of displays coupled with it graphical power... that sounds good, but not as good as... the rev is allowing us to do great things we've always wanted to do on home console, or we've just seen some mind blowing stuff behind closed doors.

jasonditz · « **Reply #48 on:** April 12, 2006, 06:04:51 AM »

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Originally posted by: DeadlyD
"I wonder how much of the Xbox 360's RAM is reserved just for highdef. I mean, if a game like Oblivion uses all 512 MB at max resolution, how much does the identical game situation use in 480i?"

Well Bf2 needs 1.2gig of ram to run at medium with settings on high with no ram enduced lag
yet it can run at high with .5 gig on 360
all about dev maxing a system

Well yeah, but the textures are going to take up a more or less finite amount of room. The lowest res textures are going to take up less space, and the difference between the two is going to just be wasted RAM that you pay for and is never used if you're running your 360 on a standard definition TV. I just wonder, is that space 128 MB, 256 MB?

What's the "actual RAM used" for the Xbox 360 in a 480i or 480p environment... that's what we should be comparing to the Rev's final number.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #49 on:** April 12, 2006, 09:53:57 AM »

She strikes again!

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Originally posted by: Chandra@ONM
"Right, seriously: enough with the conspiracy theories. The only Revolution related event happening on the 20th is that Game Informer officially goes on sale in the US.

The new ONM/EDGE and IGN etc will not be breaking Revolution news on this date.
There will be one more game announced before E3 and that's it."

I assume this is Nintendo Power's exclusive...Any other suggestions?

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