Author Topic: LoZ: TP delayed until Nov... (Read 28230 times)

Smash_Brother · « **on:** February 13, 2006, 07:24:35 AM »

Ack...

Best Buy has it slated for Nov now.

Unless they're full of it, looks like TP will be a Rev title (kinda).

Pale · « **Reply #1 on:** February 13, 2006, 07:27:14 AM »

You see this sort of 'news' all the time, where sometimes retailers magically get a new date. It makes you wonder where they get their information or if they are making it up. That said, they do seem to be right a lot of the time.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #2 on:** February 13, 2006, 07:31:00 AM »

As badly as I want to play this game, this is in Nintendo's best interest.

Launching the game alongside the Rev not only touts the backwards compatibility but it will also sell people on the controller concept.

Besides, what more solid of a "launch" title can you get?

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #3 on:** February 13, 2006, 07:33:06 AM »

First of all, did this really need a new topic?

Second, I don't trust magical changing release dates that aren't put out by Ninty themselves...That said, a delay is near 100% likely...

TMW · « **Reply #4 on:** February 13, 2006, 07:35:58 AM »

Why is it likely, Bill?

'sides, you can't have a delay if there isn't an official release date.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #5 on:** February 13, 2006, 07:43:16 AM »

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
First of all, did this really need a new topic?

Second, I don't trust magical changing release dates that aren't put out by Ninty themselves...That said, a delay is near 100% likely...

I think it's big enough news to justify getting it out in front of posters.

Isn't there a link to submit news somewhere on PGC?

BB is the first one to confirm a release, to my knowledge (or even speculate on one). I've never seen a retailer be too late in their estimated release date. If they're going to be wrong, it'd be too early.

JonLeung · « **Reply #6 on:** February 13, 2006, 08:03:46 AM »

If it does come out in November, for the GameCube but at the Revolution launch, isn't this a first? As in, a HUGE killer-app coming out when the system it's meant for is already obsoleted, even if the next is backwards-compatible?

I can't remember if Pokémon Red/Blue (GB) came out before or after the GBC...but I know I got a GBC the Christmas that year (1998) with Pokémon, and I didn't have a Game Boy before that (other than the Super Game Boy, I mean).

I can't recall any really big PSX games that came out after the PS2. I don't think any big PS2 games are slated for after the PS3 will come out. Same with Xbox/Xbox 360.

There are still some games coming out for the GBA, but after the DS came out, I don't recall any GBA killer-apps. Forgive me if I don't think WW: Twisted! and DK: King Of Swing aren't. I'm enjoying Drill Dozer right now, in fact, but I don't see any of those as "killer-app". At least nowhere near the level of a Zelda game!

Ian Sane · « **Reply #7 on:** February 13, 2006, 08:18:08 AM »

The Twilight Princess thread is full of spoilers so Zelda "news" deserves it's own thread for those like me who are trying to keep the game fresh.

I hope they don't delay it. I'm just so f*cking BORED right now. Give me the damn Zelda game I've been wanting since 2000 already, damn it!

I don't think it's that important for Twilight Princess to be a killer app for the Rev. First of all this is a last gen game that uses the "traditional" game design model. So if THAT'S the killer app then it just makes the Rev look weak as hell. How is the remote the "future" if a traditional game smokes the crap out of the entire Rev lineup? How does it help Nintendo if they sell the Rev based on a game that doesn't need the remote features to work? The Rev killer app SHOULD be a game that makes good use of the remote and sells the concept. If it isn't then it was all for nothing. If traditional games are the killer apps then Nintendo just spent months hiding everything and freaking everyone out with an odd controller for nothing. Plus now we've got news that the Cube controllers don't work with Rev games. Therefore anyone who buys a Rev for Twilight Princess has to buy a Cube controller as well unless the whole game is remote compatible which I doubt. The "killer app" nature of the title is severely damaged if one has to buy a special controller for it.

I think it's more important for Nintendo to please the loyal Cube owners who are starving for games yet are still hanging on. As more time goes by with no games released the pressure to buy an Xbox 360 NOW (unless the shortage problem remains) and play new games NOW is going to overcome the patience to wait for the Rev particularly when there's a Cube game RIGHT THERE waiting to be released but is being delayed to add Rev features or to coincide with the Rev launch. It happened last gen so it will happen again.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #8 on:** February 13, 2006, 08:20:43 AM »

"I hope they don't delay it. I'm just so f*cking BORED right now. Give me the damn Zelda game I've been wanting since 2000 already, damn it!"

Stop being so freaking stubborn and buy a DS, dammit!

nitsu niflheim · « **Reply #9 on:** February 13, 2006, 08:38:08 AM »

I want Zelda: Twlight Princess when it's ready. Of course I want it now, but I won't be happy if I have it now and it's not completely realized. I can wait a while longer, because I want the best game possible.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #10 on:** February 13, 2006, 08:39:14 AM »

I have a DS.

Edit: dang it. This is a response to Bill's comment. It made more sense when I thought it would follow right after his post.

vudu · « **Reply #11 on:** February 13, 2006, 08:40:27 AM »

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Stop being so freaking stubborn and buy a DS, dammit!

He has a DS. He just has no taste in games.

JonLeung · « **Reply #12 on:** February 13, 2006, 08:42:58 AM »

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
I have a DS.

Then play some games on it.

Like Nintendogs or Kirby: Canvas Curse or WarioWare: Touched! or some other games that use the touch screen that you called "gimmicky" and implied wasn't used much.

Now hold on here...even if you truly believed that, you're saying you'd buy a DS even if you don't use its features but you won't buy a Revolution even if you didn't always use its features?

*play's devil's advocate again*

(Why does "gimmicky" come out as "sparkling innovationy"? o_0)

mantidor · « **Reply #13 on:** February 13, 2006, 08:49:00 AM »

oh god, that would be dumb^2, you people are really naive if you think that it will sell what everyone expects with such release date, against the PS3 and a less lame 360 line up, or that it would be a killer app for the Rev, because it simply wont be. unless Nintendo is even dumber and think it can rely on an old generation game and gives us lackluter Rev launch line up, which would make the litle Zelda problem nothing compared to the uncertain future of the new console if something this bad turns out to be true

The selling point on many people's eyes, the graphics, are already outdated. They shouldve just stick to the toon shading and let the fanboys cry, we could've had a more beautiful game, what a shame.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #14 on:** February 13, 2006, 08:50:02 AM »

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Originally posted by: Ian SaneI think it's more important for Nintendo to please the loyal Cube owners who are starving for games yet are still hanging on. As more time goes by with no games released the pressure to buy an Xbox 360 NOW (unless the shortage problem remains) and play new games NOW is going to overcome the patience to wait for the Rev particularly when there's a Cube game RIGHT THERE waiting to be released but is being delayed to add Rev features or to coincide with the Rev launch. It happened last gen so it will happen again.

While I agree with the sentiment, the GC is a lost cause.

Releasing TP alongside the Rev with bonus Rev-only features using the Revmote is a good way to encourage sales of the Rev while at the same time still acknowledging the GC userbase.

I agree that the Rev NEEDS a killer app which relies entirely on the Revmote, but there are a great deal of players who will ONLY buy a Nintendo console once Zelda is released on it and this is a great way to rope them in as well.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #15 on:** February 13, 2006, 09:20:23 AM »

Yeah, selling a Zelda game against a next-gen console would be su...Oh, sup Majora's Mask...

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #16 on:** February 13, 2006, 09:20:37 AM »

A last-gen game should not be a launch title.

If Zelda comes out close to Rev, I won't be buying a Rev until I'm done with Zelda. I want to see how Zelda plays out as A GAMECUBE GAME. Then later i'll see how the Rev makes a difference, if any. I'm not going to mix up the experience right out the door.

UncleBob · « **Reply #17 on:** February 13, 2006, 09:25:05 AM »

When did gaming become less about great games and more about what system y'all play the game on?

I don't care if this game comes out tommrow for the GCN or launch day for the Revolution as a Revolution-only title - I just want the game to be great.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #18 on:** February 13, 2006, 09:43:08 AM »

"Now hold on here...even if you truly believed that, you're saying you'd buy a DS even if you don't use its features but you won't buy a Revolution even if you didn't always use its features?"

I buy a system when it has games for it I want. What I was talking about the Rev is that it doesn't do Nintendo much good to try to sell the Rev with a traditional game when they're trying to sell the Rev concept. I personally don't really care as long as games I like are released on it. But what if Nintendo sells a lot of Revs with Twilight Princess but then the people who bought the console for it aren't interested in Nintendo's remote games? What if they just want more epic "traditional games" like the very one Nintendo sold them a console with? Now Nintendo is stuck either having to abandon their remote games to make more traditional titles for the userbase or they risk having these people jump ship by sticking the remote games. Miyamoto said that Twilight Princess will be the last Zelda game as we know it. Well then it's just a total TEASE to sell Revs based on that title because the next Zelda may not be anything like it. That might not sit well with anyone who bought a Rev for TP.

Nintendo has to sell the Rev on the strength of the remote because that's the key difference between the Rev and the competition. Without it the Rev is just a PS3 with no HD support and inferior hardware.

mantidor · « **Reply #19 on:** February 13, 2006, 09:45:05 AM »

oh yeah Majora's Mask definately stopped the ps2 launch and hype...

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #20 on:** February 13, 2006, 09:50:01 AM »

I wouldn't be downplaying the decision until we see how much or how little the Revmote will be used in TP. If it's used for fishing, yeah, then "WTFs" all around. However, if it's used to swing the sword, aim the bow, throw the boomerang, etc. etc. then I think it's safe to say that the selling point for TP on the Rev will BE the Revmote.

Reggie has dropped some HUGE hints that TP will be using the Revmote and it's fully plausible that, given the extra time Nintendo now has, that this can become a reality in more ways than simply fishing.

Nintendo knows they need to sell the concept of the Revmote more than anything else this gen. Given the circumstances, I highly doubt TP's pull on the Rev would focus around a bunch of fishing games.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #21 on:** February 13, 2006, 09:51:37 AM »

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Originally posted by: mantidor
oh yeah Majora's Mask definately stopped the ps2 launch and hype...

The point was that the PS2 didn't bring down any potential Zelda sales...

animecyberrat · « **Reply #22 on:** February 13, 2006, 10:01:32 AM »

Well i remeber everybody gettign excited fro MM espescaily since it was going to use the Memory expansion, and thast when alot of peopel I knwo did jump to PS2, because they were all hyped up for Zwelda MM and then realized GC was jsut aroudn the corner and well PS2 came out rigth then so it was bad timing for Nintendo.

Bloodworth · « **Reply #23 on:** February 13, 2006, 10:10:11 AM »

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now we've got news that the Cube controllers don't work with Rev games. Therefore anyone who buys a Rev for Twilight Princess has to buy a Cube controller as well unless the whole game is remote compatible which I doubt.

It says GC controllers don't work with Rev games, but that doesn't mean Rev controllers don't work with Cube games. You really don't expect them to make people buy extra controllers for virtual console stuff do you?

mantidor · « **Reply #24 on:** February 13, 2006, 10:28:21 AM »

I think Nintendo is the best developer around, but even them in my opinion wont be able to make a flawless game that uses both the GC controller and the remote, for the game to trully use the remote it must be completly revamped, it would be so mediocre to map remote functionality to things that a button can do, like Ian has mention so many times. Why swing a remote to simulate a slash when you can do it with a button? It can only make a difference if also enemies' attacks are changed accordingly, which means revamping the whole combat mechanics, probably going as far as changing bosses mechanics completly. Is the same to any 3D sensing functionality anyone can think off.

And sadly that will detract from the core game too, the attention is split, is not really a GC game any more, but neither is Rev game. That rev functionality is the dumbest idea Ive heard in the history of dumb ideas, and royally screws up the GC owners who wanted the game, is worth of companies like EA, not Nintendo.

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