Author Topic: Why do nintendo fans hate Xbox so much? (Read 102683 times)

PIAC · « **Reply #225 on:** May 07, 2003, 10:16:38 AM »

but they are on PC also... you cant just ignore the PC market.. mario isn't a console exclusive character, hes in a few PC games also ^_^. also isn't Dead or Alive on PS2?

The Omen · « **Reply #226 on:** May 07, 2003, 11:33:32 AM »

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By online gaming with consoles, sega had it, but not on the level that xbox has done online gaming. Lan gaming, as in multi console hook-up. What other sytem has done that becuase if it does exist, where?

Some would tell you they prefer the Dreamcast for online play. I know a copuple of my friends still play it. As for LAN, its been available since the original Playstation..and maybe earlier. Now, it probably hasn't been utilized much, but again, it has been readily available.

What you said goes directly to my point-M$ doesn't invent anything, they took those ideas that were already there, and maybe made them better. But they are in no way innovative.

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #227 on:** May 07, 2003, 01:24:57 PM »

Eh? how so are all the games that are on Xbox and PC are Microsoft? Aren't you forgetting Serious Sam and UC, which for all arguements is UT.

Exclusive · « **Reply #228 on:** May 07, 2003, 06:27:57 PM »

I'd love to stay and argue with you over MEANINGLESS and OBVIOUS stuff but.... unfortunately I have a life to live unlike the rest of you. Whose only purpose to exist in life is to play video games. Who cares what system you play. I sure don't. If anyone was trying to pursuade me to buy a g a ycube (which by the way was the reason I entered the forum in the first place) you failed miserably. You failed because you just bash all the other systems and don't tell how good the gamecube is which leads me to believe that it really isn't any good. So just go back and live in your perfect little video game world where you have as many lives as you want.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #229 on:** May 08, 2003, 04:13:34 AM »

Exclusive: The topic of this thread is NOT praising the Gamecube, but searching for the reasons for the XBox-bashing. Unfortunately it went a bit off, but there are other threads here praising the Cube. Main argument is "good games".

Why hate the XBox? Well, the box itself is not evil, as guns are not evil

. Nonetheless, Microsoft is evil. Just look at software patenting, etc for the proof. Sony (RIAA member) backed the DMCA, which is just as evil. Nintendo hasn't engaged much in US-politics so far.
The XBox fails my main expectation: To deliver an experience radically different from the PC.

The Omen · « **Reply #230 on:** May 08, 2003, 05:06:18 AM »

Exclusive: Most of the OPINIONS on this board seem too honest for you to absorb,huh? many people are NOT bashing the XBOX. Including myself. But we do question people who claim that the GC has no good games to supply me with the XBOX AAA titles, which are exclusives. And there just arent many. You taking offense to that statement shows you are biased in your own opinion and protect XBOX like a son. Now go play your GAME and leave these forums if you don't like OPINIONS.

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #231 on:** May 08, 2003, 12:00:33 PM »

Eh? What happened buddy? I actually respected your opinion until I read that post. We don't care what console you own, we are just in a debate on why people hate the console. No need to get all huffed up over such a meaningless subject.

rodtod · « **Reply #232 on:** May 08, 2003, 07:07:32 PM »

I agree with Manunited, in that we shouldn't get all worked up about something clearly off-topic. The sole point of this thread is in the subject heading: "Why do Nintendo fans hate Xbox so much?"

My answer is this: Xbox has become a thorn in Nintendo's side. It is the kind of success story Nintendo has hoped to achieve for decades, and one that ends up working not for the Big N, but for a newbie. Microsoft is the biggest software corporation in the world, and has more money to burn on the North American market than Nintendo and SCEA combined. This is a worst-case scenario for Nintendo, because they cannot compete with Microsoft. Nintendo has developed a reputation of being family-friendly and very respectable. Nintendo has ended up with the most difficult-to-please userbase: kids. Microsoft has access to the hip, the trendy, and the informed. Together, Microsoft and Sony has all but devoured the 18+ market, leaving Nintendo with a demographic whose parents are still having suspicions about the affect videogames have on their children.

The Big N is suffering because of Microsoft's success. That is why so many Nintendo fans are getting upset. They want to see Nintendo regain its former glory, but meanwhile they have this big competitor with deep pockets threatening to oust the house that Mario built.

oohhboy · « **Reply #233 on:** May 09, 2003, 05:27:23 AM »

Hip, trendy and imformed is not what I call th average Xbox owner. They are the same people who pu Britney Spears into the charts by buying her music. Pop culture, it's all fake.

The Omen · « **Reply #234 on:** May 09, 2003, 06:59:46 AM »

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My answer is this: Xbox has become a thorn in Nintendo's side. It is the kind of success story Nintendo has hoped to achieve for decades, and one that ends up working not for the Big N, but for a newbie. Microsoft is the biggest software corporation in the world, and has more money to burn on the North American market than Nintendo and SCEA combined.

a thorn in Nintendos side? Nintendo makes much more money than either Sony or M$ when it comes to gaming. I think its more a thorn in Nintendo fans side, because they see hyped up crapola sell 500,000 copies, and wonder 'what are these people thinking?' It is VERY annoying when a game like DOA:XB sells well, and IGNXBOX gives it a 9.2. The game sucks. i agree with OHHHBOY, these XBOX fans buy crap games, and try to pass them off as gems for their console. I dont think all XBOX fans are stupid, but the fanboys who say thier system is great, sound even more ridiculous when they're talking about the XBOX. There is just not enough games, exclusive, that are worth buying the system for. That cannot be disputed. Some people who own more than 1 console, i can understand buying it, although it makes much more sense to own PS2 and GC. If you own all 3, thats cool , too. In closing this anger ridden rant, i would like to say this-the GC is doing very well , and Nintendo is making great games, along with boatloads of cash, which is more than I can say about the competitors.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #235 on:** May 09, 2003, 08:07:47 AM »

Omen: If you're used to crap, you lower your standards so you don't feel THAT miserable.

oohhboy: Why? "Hip" and "trendy" is (in my oppinion) some form of insult, meaning you buy things for their "coolness", not their true value. But I have to agree, informed does not match. An informed person would know that the GC is not a kiddy-console, that the XBox has the lowest good-game count of all three consoles and that gameplay and optics have nothing in common.

AERO · « **Reply #236 on:** May 09, 2003, 06:40:02 PM »

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Now, it probably hasn't been utilized much

Well thats the key there.

I don't agree with the word "stole" for some of those things. You can use "stole" or even "rip-off" when something is taken and done poorly. But ms took some of those ideas and did them better. So its more of an omage.

As for xbox users being mainstreem gamers. Up until I started hearing things from gc fans, I'd never heard the notion that xbox wasn't the system for most hardcore gamers. It would appeal to more hardcore fans becuase of its functionality in so many aspects. Capturing many border line pc fans. It has started appealing to many mainstreem gamers over the past year, but that is a good thing. But they certainly do not dominate the majority. I see alot of topics over at txb with set-up posts. Which basically consist of big screen tvs, hundreds of games, and 10 or so consoles, dolby 5.1 surround sound, etc. I don't think mainstreem gamers generally have all that.

But I must say I don't understand the notion that mainstreem gamers are a bad thing anyway. Xbox gamers are some how plagued by this in debates, yet nintendo fans all seem to agree that they need more mainstreem gamers. I don't understand that at all.

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #237 on:** May 10, 2003, 02:43:04 AM »

Mainstream gamers come as two ways. They are the ones that buy most of the games, yet they are also the ones who buy the crappy games because of marketing.

What was the point of the ht setups post? Guess what? I have 6.1 and a 60 inch HDTV too. Does that mean that I am somehow less 'hardcore' because I have a gamecube hooked up to it? In all reality each console has the niche where there are 'hardcore' gamers in there. And as for xbox being all that hardcore, not really, as the guys who just like games are the ones who own all consoles. So even if they are 'hardcore xbox fans' does not mean that they are really hardcore gamers, it ends up closer to hardcore fanboys (and just so I am not flamed that does apply to all consoles)

oohhboy · « **Reply #238 on:** May 10, 2003, 04:23:04 AM »

ooppss my bad, not enough sleep, I ment to say that the Hip and trendy are the average xbox owners who put Britney Spears into the charts. Coolness is a fake emotion, as it derives from belonging. Everybody want to belong to something right?, Why not buy your way into belonging? Sure it is there, but the moment you sell your mahine, that belonging is gone. It only proves that happyness cannot be brought. Oh yeah another thing, how can a company get away with a slogan saying "Games are better on Xbox". It's not like your selling toothpaste and have scienific data to back you up even then they say it is onl better that thier previous version. Anyway you people have my aplogies for any confusion caus by my mistake earlier.

The Omen · « **Reply #239 on:** May 10, 2003, 08:13:15 AM »

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I don't agree with the word "stole" for some of those things. You can use "stole" or even "rip-off" when something is taken and done poorly. But ms took some of those ideas and did them better. So its more of an omage.

Its still unclear at this stage if they are indeed doing anything better. Maybe some Dreamcast owners would like to chime in here, as i didn't own it.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #240 on:** May 10, 2003, 09:45:19 PM »

Microsoft is often criticised for stealing the GUI from Apple. So, who cares? We're strongly against software patents and still we expect everyone not to take other's ideas? If an idea is good, it should be implemented into other systems. In fact, sometimes I wish MS would take a few more ideas from Linux and put them into Windows. So it's not like something is bad just because it's been done before (does NOT apply to abstract art!).

Don't look at internet forums for getting an idea of the average. Most casual people don't visit forums.

oohhboy · « **Reply #241 on:** May 11, 2003, 12:21:55 AM »

The problems is that MS goes and takes the idea, uses it in thier own products, then goes and say that they invented it. They mislead, outright lie at times and they charge for it. I have just to see any other company be so blatently immoral in thier bussiness pracities and not suffer in any meaningful way or fall over like Enron did. Nintendo went through a phase where they were the Nazis of the videogaming world. They got punished if some what lightly, but they have never gone back to it since. The Xbox I believe is in some way a matierialisation of MS's moral problems.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #242 on:** May 11, 2003, 04:26:30 AM »

... Yes, Steve Blamer once claimed that the command line in W 2k3 S was something completely new. A server run by the commandline! Whoa! Just that Unix used the commandline for 20+ years... Well, but then Unix is soo old and W2k3 is new so W2k3 must be better! *killall CEOemulation*

AERO · « **Reply #243 on:** May 11, 2003, 10:21:16 AM »

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ooppss my bad, not enough sleep, I ment to say that the Hip and trendy are the average xbox owners who put Britney Spears into the charts.

That statement is as trite as the nintendo is for kids thing.

BTW I've got nothing against brittany.

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #244 on:** May 11, 2003, 01:28:01 PM »

Well that may not be that wrong in some sort of way. I mean lets see Dead or Alive: Xtreme Beach Volleyball= bouncing titties on tv with pointless gameplay. Britney Spears=bouncing titties with pointless music. ;-)

Anticommi · « **Reply #245 on:** May 15, 2003, 10:47:12 AM »

oohhboy.... you have very confusing intellect. It really makes no sense whatsoever. And you do not have any basis for your arguement.
You can't prove what you are saying one way or the other. Don't make a fool out of us all.

codyy · « **Reply #246 on:** May 15, 2003, 11:43:00 AM »

Gamecube + 10 Share points
Xbox - -02 points
PST - - 8 points
Worldwide 1.3 million units more than Xbox(worldwide)
3 of the 4 best sellers belong to Nintendo from Janurary to March 2003.
Windwaker - over 1 million copies sold
Pokemon - 1.7 million
GBA SP: 950,000

There, that blos this discussion out of the water. Notice the 1.3 million more Gamecubes sold than Xbox Ratio. Case closed. Rick, please, lock this out.

oohhboy · « **Reply #247 on:** May 15, 2003, 06:21:05 PM »

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Originally posted by: Anticommi
oohhboy.... you have very confusing intellect. It really makes no sense whatsoever. And you do not have any basis for your arguement.
You can't prove what you are saying one way or the other. Don't make a fool out of us all.

What? Explain?

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Gamecube + 10 Share points
Xbox - -02 points
PST - - 8 points
Worldwide 1.3 million units more than Xbox(worldwide)
3 of the 4 best sellers belong to Nintendo from Janurary to March 2003.
Windwaker - over 1 million copies sold
Pokemon - 1.7 million
GBA SP: 950,000

There, that blos this discussion out of the water. Notice the 1.3 million more Gamecubes sold than Xbox Ratio. Case closed. Rick, please, lock this out.

If he wanted to do that we would have locked it at post No. 5 instead of replying to it.

AERO · « **Reply #248 on:** May 16, 2003, 04:10:13 AM »

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Well that may not be that wrong in some sort of way. I mean lets see Dead or Alive: Xtreme Beach Volleyball= bouncing titties on tv with pointless gameplay. Britney Spears=bouncing titties with pointless music. ;-)

Exactly what I was saying in another topic. People would like to believe that a game with good graphics couldn't possibly have good gameplay could it???

That would correlate to my theory on people waiting to here a review that they want to here.

Mario · « **Reply #249 on:** May 17, 2003, 05:48:47 PM »

Xbox is bad for the gaming industry, period! Anyone who disagrees with that is ignorant.

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Author Topic: Why do nintendo fans hate Xbox so much? (Read 102683 times)