Topic: My two cents: Revolution will have more third-party support than PS3. (No, I'm not crazy.)

[stevey]

I argee with game basher but all of the mistake made in video games past sony and MS are repeating from 100's of the same kind of game like ww2 and fps to repeating the mistakes of nomad-gamegear-linux-neo geo poctet-n_gage in the psp and neo geo-staturn-cd-32x-3d0 with the ps3-360 MS and sony are f in the gaming market and are going to take in down with them because they think it will sell because it's named ps and xbox  

[MarioAllStar]

I think you are stretching it, Stevey. How is Microsoft/Sony following in the footsteps of the Nomad? Or better yet, how is Microsoft following in the footsteps of Linux (which doesn't seem to fit in that list)?

[NotSoStu]

Stevey: o_O. Half of your comment is unreadable. And how does Linux belong in there? (First, it's going up in use very quickly, and second, it's an OS, not a console.... o_O)

Pudu: Consoles tend to follow the PC market, and as such I'd be surprised if Revolution wasn't dual-core. Then again, Nintendo does have a mind of its' own...

Vudu: Frankly, HD means nothing at the moment. All it means is that the TVs have a higher resolution... Meaning it's clearer looking to you. But it doesn't degrade the graphics quality in terms of effects and things - All the lighting effects and high-end textures will all look the same on 1080p and 480p. And if Revolution's GPU has good anti-aliasing, then frankly, we shouldn't worry about HD anyway. It'll make stuff smoother, not sharper, and that can be much better in a lot of cases.

As for development prices and console prices, at this point I think that we should just wait till TGS and see if Revolution is unveiled, and iff PS3's details are unveiled. If PS3 is above $400, then I think it's safe to say that it'll lose market share.

[KDR_11k]

Hasn't it been argeed upon that the Revolution won't support HD? Won't that mean less detailed graphics (although not noticable on standard def televisions)?

Not much. Definitely not enough to have a noticeable influence on development budgets.

And guys, just ignore stevey, that guy loves to post blatant lies.

[Gamebasher]

I just spoke to a programmer who is saying that since Microsoft has such high licensing fees on third-party periphals, and since their hardware system means developers have to work with multiple threads (which, as he puts it, can´t talk together (he said that, not me!) at thus creates one heck of a complication already at that time in any developement and raise the dev costs even more), they´re a likely candidate for losing out to Sony and Nintendo.

If average Joe Gamer can´t buy his controllers from third parties and thus save some bucks, he may scoff and walk over to the competition. Already they are leaving gamers out with the the two different launch systems, at different prices. So I think Nintendo has a good chance after all, because of these huge mistakes from Bill. Games is one thing, but the price of the hardware is another more expensive matter which may be crucial to many who are to chose which next-gen platform to buy. Games will mostly be the same on either Sony or Microsofts platforms, so Nintendo HAS got a fair chance of making it this next-gen IF their games rock that much on Rev for the reason that one of the other two may be already losing out!    

[Ian Sane]

I'll agree that Nintendo has a fair shot of beating Microsoft.  I mean MS came out of nowhere and beat Nintendo so surely the reverse can happen, right?  The difference between the two isn't as great as the between them and Sony.  Plus MS has no presence in Japan.  Nintendo can easily gain more ground in America than MS can in Japan.  Nintendo just has to not screw up to keep ahead in the Japan market so that gives them an advantage.

Nintendo beating MS this round is a realistic goal and I would be estatic if they pulled it off.

[couchmonkey]

No, it won't.  Nintendo charges publishers higher fees than the other companies and doesn't have the same previous market share for publishers to speculate on.  

It may result in more third party support if homebrewed games can be counted as third party support and if Nintendo encourages a lot of homebrewing (unlikely, unfortunately).  I would like that, although it runs the risk of giving us 500 games that are complete crap even compared to the average THQ title, and just a 100 or so good ones.

I do see Nintendo's cheaper development stance as possibly attracting third parties if Nintendo can demonstrate that cheap games still sell.  Even then, I don't think it's going to put Nintendo in first place.

[stevey]

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Originally posted by: Stu L Tissimus
Stevey: o_O. Half of your comment is unreadable. And how does Linux belong in there? (First, it's going up in use very quickly, and second, it's an OS, not a console.... o_O)

sorry if it's a little unreadable what I'm get at is that sony and ms are reating the past failer of other system like, neo geo and noe geo cd is be repeaed by the core 360 and 360 and, like the psp is repeating last 5 handheld that when up againt the gameboy but failed becase high price low # of game big size and small battery life; and it going to blow up in there face like atiri when them made lot of crappy(same) game and system and lead the the near demis of games. I ment the linxus (sp?) that crappy hand heald from atiri and not linux.

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Originally posted by: kdr_11k
And guys, just ignore stevey, that guy loves to post blatant lies.

no I don't. you love point out my mistake dont you.

[ChaNoKin]

ouch, stevey that's even painful to read, come on. As of Revo having more support, well it seems to me that it wont, Nintendo has never had a good relation with 3d party. Even if their console is easier to develop for, that don't change much cuz developers are paid to work, not to complain about how bad and scary Microsoft's (or sony's for that matter) system is. What matters is money and if publishers don't feel like they are getting it back they won't support Revolution.  

[Gamebasher]

If these developers have any ears in their heads and eyes too, they will recall that Nintendo said we could get some idea about Nintendo Rev if we looked at DS. So I deduct that with the current outstanding success of the new types of gameplays offered with DS, will be repeated with Nintendo Rev BECAUSE it will to even larger extent expand the market for games by attracting completely new gamers! Now, if THAT will not have developers think their games will sell on Rev, it is because they don´t know how to innovate and therefore should stick to the other two platforms where innovation not considered as important as looks of games!  

[WuTangTurtle]

Atari Lynx was a total failure, it too was something that was just way too ahead of it's time and also lacked any sort of quality or decent games.  It retailed for $199.99, it had full color back lit LCD screen.  Put that up against Nintendo's $100 gameboy and boat loads of games and that spells a disaster for the Lynx. I still can't believe anyone thought a handheld that needed more than 4 batteries would be feasible back then.  Didn't the Game gear need like 6-8 batteries?

[anubis6789]

The Game Gear needed six AA batteries, and boy would it chew through those in no time. It would be okay if the batteries lasted 5-6 hours but we are talking a little more than two hours on average. Now that I think of it I don't recall a single Game Gear owner who didn't buy an ac adapter within two weeks of their purchase. Thank you Nintendo for making rechargeable LIon batteries standard for portables.

[Gamebasher]

Yes, another invention they made standard with portable consoles. So it shows, doesn´t it, why they have a good shot at becoming the No.1 videogame maker, again!!

Just wait ´till they launch the Revolution... It´s going to be so good!  

[KDR_11k]

The LiIon battery was standard with PDAs, laptops and cellphones, kinda obvious to put it into the Gameboy, too.

[WuTangTurtle]

Yeah its not extactly a new invention like KDR said, its been used for a lot of things and for some time now, don't forget touch screen technology has been around for some time now too, its not new just used a lot better.

[WesDawg]

The GameCube SDK's are essentially just OpenGL I think. It's well documented, easy to use, and well known by people in the business. They did that on purpose after the N64 was a complete bitch to develop for (it used an SGI processor right? different from PowerPC or x86 type). I don't think arguing that the Cube was difficult to program for is going to get you anywhere. The Rev's SDK is rumored to be the same thing.

In the end, publishers put games on whatever console has the largest userbase or whichever will garner them the most sales. Even when the Cube and the XBox were tied for sales in the US though, games went XBox only, not because of the userbase, but because Cube owners weren't buying those games. Whether that means we're pickier buyers, to obsessed with Ninty to notice other companies games, or just teh I LOVE HALO 2s I'm not sure. Seems like one killer exclusive game can really put a console on top though. Something that everyone wants to own. FF did it fo the PS1. Halo did it for the XBox (actually I think you could argue that most of the XBox's 3rd party support came from Microsoft buying exclusives though). One killer game gives you a large userbase, and suddenly everyone is flocking to develop for your system. Ninty, despite putting out some real classic games, didn't have that this time around.

[Gamebasher]

Yes, they need a killer game which will sell like hot cakes. Then I think that they will prosper. But I think that the new Mario game will be just that!!!! Remember what Super Mario 64 did for the Nintendo 64 in terms of sales! If they can avoid the mistake made then (lack of enough other good games to keep the sales momentum going) then I am certain it will be a great time for Nintendo and that they will indeed increase their userbase. Parhaps so much that they will also move up in the ranks to stand i 2. place or even 1. place (again)!

[Artimus]

If Nintendo manages the success they had with the 64, then they'd be in good position. Afterall, it sold over 30 million units.

[Don'tHate742]

I think being able to play every Nintendo published game and a few other third party games (SEGA), is as close to a killer app as a "feature" could come.

[jasonditz]

Unless it's really poorly executed SSB Online is sure to earn favorable mention from a lot of the hardcore crowd.

[cubist]

In relation to your "two cents", I've started a thread based on the new story reported at various internet gaming sites that the THQ president is seeing more from Nintendo now more than ever.  If this keeps up with Yuji Naka and Peter Molyneux (spelling?)  praising Nintendo, your theory on more third party support may gain some momentum and we can call you "Nintendo-damas".

[NotSoStu]

*returns from the shadows*

I'm wondering, anybody know if PGC has articles from before the GCN was announced? (I know they used to have a different name....) I'd like to see if everything was as hush-hush about the Dolphin as it is with the Revolution now. Or perhaps this is some evil marketing scheme? Making everybody wonder. Even PS2/Xbox fanboys that I'm aqcuainted with are at least interested in what the Revolution will be... Take that, Microsoft viral marketing!

[BigJim]

PGC has archives dating way back. Just look at the archives listed in all of their main sections.

[wandering]

 "I'd like to see if everything was as hush-hush about the Dolphin as it is with the Revolution now."

For the most part it was just as hush-hush.

Two things were different, that I can remember: 1) when GameCube was revealed in Nov 00, Nintendo revealed everything at once: the official name, the console design, the games, the controller. And, 2)  the name of the console (then StarCube), and the controller design were unofficially leaked before the unveiling.

[IceCold]

I remember when PGC unveiled the Cube's controller they had the one which had a kidney B button, but I think Nintendo later changed that to the circle.