Author Topic: Metroid Prime 3 Revolutionized (Read 380509 times)

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #325 on:** January 10, 2007, 10:49:37 AM »

I thought the first three books were terribly written, and really they are. The third is a mild improvement. The sixth one is probably the best as of now.
Anyway, that's irrelevant. Super Metroid = Metroid Prime 1/2 (can't choose between them, so I judge them as one), followed by Zero Mission/Metroid Fusion, followed by the original. Haven't played Metroid 2 yet.

denjet78 · « **Reply #326 on:** January 10, 2007, 12:51:08 PM »

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I thought the first three books were terribly written, and really they are. The third is a mild improvement. The sixth one is probably the best as of now.
Anyway, that's irrelevant. Super Metroid = Metroid Prime 1/2 (can't choose between them, so I judge them as one), followed by Zero Mission/Metroid Fusion, followed by the original. Haven't played Metroid 2 yet.

I've never read any of the books but I've seen all the movies because my sister is absolutely in lust with him. I actually don't see the big fuss over it. I mean, the movies were actually rather good, compared to anything else that's been released as of late, but I think that's just because they actually put some effort into them. Outside of that, I'd say it's just another fantasy series. But, I also don't see the obsession with LotR either. In fact, the second movie just sucked so hard. It seemed like it went on and on forever. Everything in it is so cliched by now that really... well I guess I should shut up now before the wrath falls upon me.

Anyway, Super Metroid is "THE" definitive Metroid. Metroid Prime doesn't feel like it's a part of the main series. It feels more like a gaiden, a side-story. It's an incredible side-story though. The way that they handled the story telling was so perfect. If you wanted to you could just play through it like any other Metroid game. Or, you could scan everything and actually learn about Samus, the Chozo, how everything started. They couldn't have come up with a better way to do it. I didn't like Fusion much at all though. I kept wondering when the actual game was going to start. The whole thing felt like a big demo. I never really felt like I was playing the actual game, just waiting for the tutorial to end.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #327 on:** January 10, 2007, 01:01:43 PM »

"Metroid Prime doesn't feel like it's a part of the main series. It feels more like a gaiden, a side-story."

Don't just leave it at this, I want to see you try and explain how...

(And if I'm remembering correctly, Metroid II is basically a treasure (Metroid) hunt, definitely the weakest of the bunch...)

denjet78 · « **Reply #328 on:** January 10, 2007, 03:10:54 PM »

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"Metroid Prime doesn't feel like it's a part of the main series. It feels more like a gaiden, a side-story."

Don't just leave it at this, I want to see you try and explain how...

(And if I'm remembering correctly, Metroid II is basically a treasure (Metroid) hunt, definitely the weakest of the bunch...)

It doesn't feel like the stories are really about the Metroids, and they aren't. They're about the Phazon, which isn't mentioned in any other Metroid game or storyline. The Metroids really just feel like they're making a cameo appearance in the games in order for them to actually have a reason to put "Metroid" in the title at all. It's kind of like Zelda II. The game just doesn't feel like it fits in with the rest of the series. That's nothing on how good the games actually are. I mean, I really liked Metroid Prime even though I have a very hard time liking other games in first person. It's just that the story, and the fact that they turned it into it's own trilogy, not to mention the fact that we'll probably never hear about Phazon again, makes it all feel very "gaiden".

Of course I could be wrong and whenever Metroid 5 actually comes out it could very well tie everything together or at least imply that the Prime trilogy actually happened but for now it still feels split-off. It's like there are two Metroid universes: The one for the main series, which is at Fusion (Metroid 4) right now and then the other one where Prime takes place. I know Prime is supposed to take place between the first and second games but the continuity just doesn't seem like it fits.

I'm not 100% exactly sure what it is, as I'm certain that I haven't been making a lot of sense so far, it just a feeling that it doesn't really fit. It could be because it's just called Prime and doesn't have an actual number, like Super Metroid was actually Metroid 3 and Fusion was 4. Or it could be because it's being developed by Retro and not by the same internal developer who's basically made every other Metroid. Most likely it's a mixture of all of the above.

I hope, at least, you can follow what I'm trying to say here and do know that I mean to disrespect, this is simply how I personally feel about the whole situation.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #329 on:** January 10, 2007, 03:31:38 PM »

I can see where you're coming from on that one, Den, but at the same time, it's hard to categorize what denotes a proper sequel to the franchise.

Prime focused heavily on Phazon, yes, but also the effect the Phazon had on Metroids when it came to mutating them.

I never finished MP2, but it seemed to focus more heavily on the Ing and the dark and light worlds of Aether. Can anyone tell me if they somehow wrapped Metroids into the storyline near the end?

MysticGohan · « **Reply #330 on:** January 10, 2007, 04:06:20 PM »

heh, lucky for you I have. But unfortunately the onlything involving the Metroids is Prime itself AKA Dark Samus. Metroids make a cameo, but only in a few areas. It's mostly the Ing and what not.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #331 on:** January 10, 2007, 04:27:20 PM »

Smash_brother: No.

Also, Metroid Fusion had very little to do with Metroids. Really the plot of the Metroid games is pretty varied, not sticking to any set plot, not even the one its titled after.

SixthAngel · « **Reply #332 on:** January 10, 2007, 04:45:00 PM »

If I remember correctly phazon was created by metroid prime so I don't really understand how metroids aren't important to the games.

Caterkiller · « **Reply #333 on:** January 10, 2007, 05:13:14 PM »

Phazon hit Talon IV through some meteor I believe. Phazon is what made the Metroid Prime.

TrueNerd · « **Reply #334 on:** January 10, 2007, 05:35:45 PM »

I guess it could be argued that Prime's story arc really doesn't have much to do with Metroid 1-4, but it's still pretty Metroid-ish, despite not really ripping off the Alien movies. Prime's gameplay was also a bit of a departure from Metroid 1-4, but still very Metroid-ish. It was a good direction for the franchise to go in. But at the same time, I don't want the 2D ones to ever go away.

Speaking of which, where the HELL is Metroid Dread/A new 2D DS Metroid? Enough of the pinball and sub-par FPS' that weren't really Metroid games, I want the real deal, with a map CONSTANTLY DISPLAYED. This better be in development as we speak.

I am really excited to see what they do with the story in Corruption. I'm hoping the title is hinting at shady people in charge of the Galactic Federation that become corrupted with power, money, etc. Hopefully they don't go all Halo on us and have us play as Ridley.

Adrock · « **Reply #335 on:** January 11, 2007, 06:30:21 AM »

I admit I haven't played the games in a while so I might be off. I thought Metroid Prime was the source of Phazon. It also seemed like it was the progenitor of all Metriods since it could create them (as shown in its final form, right?).

All Metroid games are about Metroids though they always seem to be of secondary focus, except for Metroid II.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #336 on:** January 11, 2007, 06:48:50 AM »

"Metroid Prime doesn't feel like it's a part of the main series. It feels more like a gaiden, a side-story."

I tend to view the Metroid franchise as having three different groups.

I consider the 2D Metroids and the Metroid Prime games as seperate series partially because of the different perspective but mostly because of the two different development teams that work on them.

The Metroid series:
Metroid
Metroid II
Super Metroid
Metroid Fusion
Metroid: Zero Mission

The Metroid Prime series:
Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 2

All of these games I would consider "real" Metroid games though they belong to two series.

The third group would be spinoffs like Pinball and Hunters. They clearly don't follow the Metroid style of gameplay but use the Metroid IP.

I never use the concept of side stories for categorizing series because it doesn't make any sense to me. Link's Awakening and Majora's Mask are still part of the main series of Zelda. Why not? They're made by EAD. That seperates them from the Capcom Zelda games.

But then there's no hard fast rule for this stuff since game series never seem to follow a logical convention. Hell Resident Evil had two games released between 3 and 4.

Plugabugz · « **Reply #337 on:** January 11, 2007, 08:08:46 AM »

The Metroid Prime series is pretty much a sub-series to the Metroid franchise as a whole, as the storyline sits in between the existing Metroid games, in a similar way to Torchwood being a sub-series (more than a spin off) of Doctor Who.

SixthAngel · « **Reply #338 on:** January 11, 2007, 08:29:09 AM »

Metroid Prime are full fledged games that simply don't take place after the previous games. Prequels are still part of the main story and and Metroid prime games are too for the same reaons. I don't like the Doctor Who/Torchwood comparison because Torchwood is completely different from Doctor Who especially considering it doesn't even have the main character, the Doctor, in it. Metroid Prime games still have the main character, Samus, and all the big characters and enemies. The only reason people consider them not as important as the others is because of the move to 3d. If the same games were played 2d style these complaints wouldn't even exist.

Catterkiller didn't metroid prime come down in the meteor? That is what I always thought. I don't think it was created with phazon considering that it makes phazon.

utarefsoN · « **Reply #339 on:** January 11, 2007, 12:09:25 PM »

Metriod Prime is a part of the Metroid world. Lets not make any distinctions between these and other games in the series aside from that Metroid Prime OWNZZ ALL metroid games and ALL other games on Earth. It super shats on galo. Not that MP is a galo killer, its just a way better game, multipalyer aside.

denjet78 · « **Reply #340 on:** January 11, 2007, 12:19:08 PM »

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Metroid Prime are full fledged games that simply don't take place after the previous games. Prequels are still part of the main story and and Metroid prime games are too for the same reaons. I don't like the Doctor Who/Torchwood comparison because Torchwood is completely different from Doctor Who especially considering it doesn't even have the main character, the Doctor, in it. Metroid Prime games still have the main character, Samus, and all the big characters and enemies. The only reason people consider them not as important as the others is because of the move to 3d. If the same games were played 2d style these complaints wouldn't even exist.

Catterkiller didn't metroid prime come down in the meteor? That is what I always thought. I don't think it was created with phazon considering that it makes phazon.

This is true, the games are very "Metroid" at their core. In fact, I'd say that they are the best way that Metroid could have been converted into a true 3D franchise. It's just that the story feels so cut off from the rest of the series. Maybe it's the fact that they have a real story in the first place. I love the games, they just don't feel like true Metroid titles to me. I loved Zelda: OoT as well but it didn't really feel like a Zelda game to me either.

And for those interested, there is no way that Metroid Prime is the original source of Phazon. If it came down in the meteor or if it was already on the planet and then mutated by the Phazon I don't know but knowing where the Metroids came from in the first place (HINT: They tell you in Fusion) there's no way it's the "original" source. Some outside force had to have created it.

Sorry to have started all of this. Maybe I shouldn't have said anything in the first place. :p

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #341 on:** January 11, 2007, 04:59:43 PM »

I might be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure the Phazon meteor hit and the space pirates came to investigate. The experimented with it, discovering its unusual qualities. I think they had a metroid with them and it somehow fused with the Phazon in some way, and they'd been trying to emulate it ever since. It broke free of their control.
It wasn't on Tallon IV (metroids' home planet is SR-388), nor was it on the meteor. The pirates brought it with them, but the fusion with the phazon was more a fluke than anything.

Plugabugz · « **Reply #342 on:** January 11, 2007, 07:47:57 PM »

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Metroid Prime are full fledged games that simply don't take place after the previous games. Prequels are still part of the main story and and Metroid prime games are too for the same reaons. I don't like the Doctor Who/Torchwood comparison because Torchwood is completely different from Doctor Who especially considering it doesn't even have the main character, the Doctor, in it.

Torchwood is a sub-series to Doctor Who because it runs within the established timeline, not affecting the previous or the following chapters.
Stargate Atlantis, for example, is a complete spin off because it's own timeline runs parallel to it's parent series, and takes place in another galaxy.

Metroid Prime builds a new story, around Phazon and how it created Metroid Prime, and it sits within the existing series (almost like a story within a story), then dovetails back into the main timeline without affecting anything either side. As Retro said, one of the aims of Corruption was to wrap up the Phazon storyline.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #343 on:** January 12, 2007, 03:28:09 AM »

Except that none of the Metroid games affect any of the other Metroid games, really. Aside from some common strains like a reappearing Ridley (in a different form in nearly every game), the Metroid games act independently of each other. So far, the only game that really has the chance to heavily influence another game (story-wise) is Metroid Fusion. And no follow-up has been made to it yet.

Caterkiller · « **Reply #344 on:** January 12, 2007, 03:43:04 AM »

I don't want to contribute to the non Prime 3 talk, but Metroids were created by the Chozo. And one was experimented on with Phazon, and that made the Metroid Prime.

Ever since I completed Fusion, I wondered where the series would go from there. With the Wii, I could defenitly see a 3rd Person shooter, that continues the story. But what about her classic suit? It seems she will never be the same.

SixthAngel · « **Reply #345 on:** January 12, 2007, 04:48:29 AM »

I don't think they ever mention the creation of metroid prime through experimentation with phazon, especially considering that you fight phazon metroids. The chozo creating the metroids don't really seem to contradict metroid prime being the start of phazon at all. The chozo could have created metroid prime, they could have used it as a basis for regular metroids, it could be a metroid that mutated, and the possibilities keep going.

Basically all Metroid games and Nintendo in general have stories that are self contained and don't affect the previous or following chapters. They will have similar enemies, items, and themes like the triforce/goombas/ball mode/Bowser/Gannon/Ridley but every game could exist without any of the others.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #346 on:** January 12, 2007, 05:16:11 AM »

"Except that none of the Metroid games affect any of the other Metroid games, really. Aside from some common strains like a reappearing Ridley (in a different form in nearly every game), the Metroid games act independently of each other."

I disagree. The first four 2D games have stories that flow together perfectly.

1. Samus goes to Zebes to deal with the Space Pirates who have stolen the newly Metroid species to use as a weapon.
2. After destroying the pirates she goes to the Metroid homeworld to wipe out the entire Metroid species because they're too dangerous.
3. The last Metroid in existence thinks Samus is its mother so she brings to a research station. The station is attacked by the pirates, the Metroid is stolen and Samus returns to Zebes to kick ass. The last Metroid melds with her to defeat Mother Brain.
4. Samus goes with a crew back to the Metroid homeworld and is infected by the X Virus who's natural predator are the Metroids.

The storylines flow together pretty well. It's uncharacteristically tight for a Nintendo franchise. Usually Nintendo just does whatever, continuity be damned.

utarefsoN · « **Reply #347 on:** January 12, 2007, 07:02:09 AM »

who said the chozo created the Metroids? And i thought, citing Metroid Prime the game from the scans, that THE metroid prime came from a planet far away and arrived on Tallon 4 by an asteroid that strruck talon 4. SOmeone please correct me if im wrong asap. I fell the excrutiating urge to play Metroid Prime all over agian just to find out. Right now i dont have the luxury of doing so....... Thanks in advance

couchmonkey · « **Reply #348 on:** January 12, 2007, 07:08:58 AM »

I agree with Ian on this one...not that the 2D games are very story-oriented, but they do have a strongly continuous plot, moreso than any other Nintendo franchise I've played.

Adrock · « **Reply #349 on:** January 12, 2007, 07:10:22 AM »

As SixthAngel said, Metroid Fusion states that the Chozo created the Metroids.

They games are all connected, but the prequels and side-stories disrupt the continuity, some information is retconned. Zero Mission was essentially Intelligent Systems trying to mend continuity. Even though the games exist on one timeline, it's easier to think of the Prime games as a separate line.

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